Well I took both of them to the vet loving life and as usual they tested for extra things and you want to know my total bill fecals, stains, cultures, and all, $250! And I have to take Manny back in 2 weeks to spend another $44 for another exam since they did a culture on him because they are not sure if he has ringworm since he had a patch of fur missing. They are worth it though! Atleast for the most part they have a clean bill of health, parasite free.