Yes I know and it still annoys me, lol

yea but another post lead us to this one

I only posted a link to this thread to reference the documents in it.

well i thought id post my opinion on the subject..no harm done

Nope, no harm done

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Originally posted by LuckyGlider

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Originally posted by Candy

Essika

The ASGV (association of sugar glider veterinarians) is NOT an actual association. It is a Fictitious Name registered in the State of Florida by Kathy Klunder (wife of Virgil Klunder who head Perfect Pocket Pets)

The association is a fake organization. Just a name to make their advertising using Dr. Brunst's videos look legitimate.

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It's a little deeper than that.

First, a fictitious name registration is not an inherently evil thing. In some states they call it a "DBA" or "Doing Business As" name. All it is - is the registration on behalf of an existing corporation, to also go by another name.

Now, with regards the timeline of what occurred, consider these public records:

the original application for the fictitious name "Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians" which was filed on July 13, 2009 with the secretary of state of Florida.



Now, a month later, here is the filing to WITHDRAW the application signed by Ms. Klunder on Oct. 19, 2009.



Here is the fairly provocative notarized statement in which Ms. Klunder testifies that the original filing was "fraudulent."

Interesting. Ostensibly, the state of Florida is to believe that perhaps someone got it in their heads that an "Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians" was a cool name to file on behalf of the Klunder's breeding operation.

Either that or maybe, just maybe (not accusing anyone of course), someone figured out a month later "Oh darn, everyone is going to know it's us behind ASGV, so we better withdraw that and then get an anonymous web domain so we can hide our intentions." This, considering the filings, is not beyond the pale of imagination.



And now this squeaky clean ".org" non-profit organization, that a breeder has disavowed any knowledge of and who has sworn under notary to the state, they had nothing to do with.... is ANONYMOUSLY registered with the internic - using a sleazeball tactic of hiding behind "Domains by Proxy" service to obscure the identity of who really owns the web site....

The only way to truly reveal the owner is by court order. And that's what it would take to prove who is really behind it. Hypothetically speaking only, I wonder what a judge would think if he or she matched a denial of registration for a certain name with who's on record as the owner of a web site with the same name. Hmmm, that would be an important discovery of fact wouldn't it? I mean only hypothetically speaking of course.

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Ed- you are awesome!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS ON HERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE!
I know this is old- but I like bumping this type of thread!

More likely the arguing new glider owners will see it!

Is there anyway to make this post "permanent" so that we don't have to keep bumping it? It's a great reference for people who come in asking about ASGV's legitimacy. Maybe add it to the Gliderpedia if it's not already there?

Talk to Terry. :/

another question to ask him is ......


"how are all your personal gliders doing? and you say you keep 1 or 2 with you during day .... can i see them??" LOL

I know I thought he looked like a crock in his video. One of those do as I say, not as I do people. No arguing here.