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Nov 07 2010
10:10:10 AM
:( Maybe a few of you could send a note... ( I did) on doing a bit more research.
Thanks. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBlEQppU7Hk


Edited by - jaguar on Nov 07 2010 10:10:56 AM
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Nov 07 2010
11:06:29 AM
kazko Little Bunny FooFoo GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kazko's Photo Album kazko's Journal TX, USA 6678 Posts
Perhaps you could expand and offer a better idea as to what you are referring to?
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Nov 07 2010
11:10:46 AM
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I think he was referring to the tank that the sugar glider was living in?
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Nov 07 2010
11:26:47 AM
KristyvanErven Glider Visit KristyvanErven's Photo Album KristyvanErven's Journal MO, USA 140 Posts
The glider seems to be happy. I agree the tank is a bit too small, but so long as hes taken out a lot to be played with.. it should be fine.
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Nov 07 2010
12:07:34 PM
jaguar Lost in space 20 Posts
Wow.
I am surprised at the responses.
IMO a SG does not belong in a glass tank.

How will it climb around? No one can take out a sugar glider enough to keep it in a glass tank.
That is craziness. It is not a hamster.
It belongs in a cage where it can glide and climb around.
And I am surprised that all is happy with the wheel.
I knew someone who had a wheel like that and the SG raced around in it, but unfortunately, his tail rubbed against the side of it, causing an irritation, along with an infection leading to an amputated tail.
And, I am surprised all is happy with a SG eating a black olive which is 100% salt.
Well, it is all IMO.
But I would not.
And, I am a girl. phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/pet/2025933797.html
Bye Bye.

Edited by - jaguar on Nov 07 2010 12:10:54 PM
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Nov 07 2010
12:10:05 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
There are definitely things wrong in that video...including the tank, shavings and wheel. Did you send them a note?
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Nov 07 2010
12:22:46 PM
jaguar Lost in space 20 Posts
I am appalled at some of the responses asking me to be a bit more specific on what is wrong.
This is the first time I have been on this site and I have to say
I am not very encouraged as to the the replies.
Seriously, is this a sugar glider forum, or a Hamster forum?
Anyway, I have a glider, but I would seriously rethink coming to this
forum if I needed any help.
Glad to see there was 1 poster with some common sense.
Kyro298.
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Nov 07 2010
01:01:25 PM
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This is a very helpful forum, the members on here are very nice and helped me with my research.
I agree with Kyro. & I should include there should be another glider.
Anyways, I also apologize that I said 'he' instead of 'she.' This is the internet and I'm sorry for misunderstanding.
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Nov 07 2010
01:28:20 PM
jaguar Lost in space 20 Posts
The fact that someone who owns 16 SG thinks everything is fine in that video is what is sad.
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Nov 07 2010
01:37:23 PM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
jaguar, you might have to wait a little longer for more people to read this to get more responses.

Yep,the tank is messed up. They are in Singapore.
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Nov 07 2010
01:44:26 PM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by jaguar

The fact that someone who owns 16 SG thinks everything is fine in that video is what is sad.




Kazko Posted - Today : 10:06:29 AM
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Perhaps you could expand and offer a better idea as to what you are referring to?

He never said anything about it being fine. He was creating conversation, he knows exactly what is wrong with the video.

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Nov 07 2010
02:04:00 PM
jaguar Lost in space 20 Posts
LOL.
OK. My bad, he never said it was fine. Kristy did.
BUT........ his wording could have been taken either way.
I took it as he had not a clue as to what was wrong.
I did not know this was going to be a test for all, like I SPY whats wrong.
The girl speaks English. She tried to friend me on YOUTUBE after she saw some video of mine.


Edited by - jaguar on Nov 07 2010 02:05:13 PM
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Nov 07 2010
02:56:02 PM
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You have to understand people post videos on here all the time of the most appalling places gliders are kept, that was a mild one. If you read around you will see we are very proactive when it comes to educating people on how to care for gliders, usually we are so over welmed with people who come here and feel they are attacked with the info people give, I think everyone was taking a calm approach to it. Had the person herself came and posted that video I am more then sure people would have instructed her on things she could do differently.
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Nov 07 2010
03:26:22 PM
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First of all, we are not the glider police. The best we can do is make suggestions on the care of gliders & their needs if someone asks. Maybe even offer suggestions for the owner on youtube. But, we can't controll how someone treats their glider. We do what we can to educate people & help them with their problems.

Second, I don't know if this is how she houses her glider. That could have been what the glider was kept in when she/he got him. Or, temporary until she got the cage. Maybe, he/she doesn't know any better. As far as the olive, I thought it was a black grape.

This is a great forum. They have been very helpful in educating me on the care of gliders. Very helpful with a number of issues that I had as a first time owner of gliders. I hate to hear you bash them/us when you know nothing about what goes on here!!!

We can't go beat the door down for every glider that is mistreated (even though we would like to sometimes).
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Nov 07 2010
03:26:46 PM
jaguar Lost in space 20 Posts
Well, k, fine.
I didn't know any of that and this is the first time I have been on this site.
Good to hear al of you are very educated.
Glad that was cleared up.
I did not know that you see videos of abused SG all of the time.
Hopefully tho, 1 person at least learned that you cannot keep a SG in a tank.
so, something good came out of the thread.
Bye Bye.
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Nov 07 2010
03:34:27 PM
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As Catman mentioned...

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Originally posted by Catman

They are in Singapore.



Across seas, they don't know as much about them as we do here.
They don't know about the proper feeding, housing, etc.
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Nov 07 2010
03:50:21 PM
Tenshi Glider Visit Tenshi's Photo Album Tenshi's Journal NC, USA 115 Posts
The glider seems happy. They speak English in other countries besides our own. My friend -100% Filipino- was raised In Catanduanes, and was taught to speak fluently minus the common slang terms which he picked up on incredibly fast. Just because our olives are 100% salt, they are pickled and bottled in factories; I assume that since the olive was not pickled nor cored that it was fine. Yeah the cage had its flaws, we cant fix every last Glider owner on Earth. We do what we can to educate others so that hopefully the problem decreases. But it never will, there are still people who keep dogs in kennels that are to small, there are those who beat, starve, mutilate their animals. I see nothing other than the olive and the cage as being a problem. We also dont know if thats the ONLY cage she has (Maybe she put him there to do the backflip trick for the camera) There are MANY variables that we do not know simply because its a video, on youtube.

The glider looks healthy, and happy. You'd get better responses if you posted a nappy glider, one that crabbed and bit excessively, or if you found something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xnFwrts-rk really someone pop the girl in the vid for trying to look cute.
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Nov 07 2010
04:00:10 PM
shadow Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit shadow's Photo Album MO, USA 2332 Posts
i think this glider is in a good home (compared to where it could have ended up and where its been) .at the end of the video they state that he looked bad when they got him and they have had him for 2 weeks so they are a new owner. and hopefully willing to learn more about gliders and take better care of it then the last owner did.
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Nov 07 2010
04:15:44 PM
angelmom Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Visit angelmom's Photo Album USA 2002 Posts
For the most part the video made me smile- he seems very loved and very well taken care of. The part with the watermelon made me giggle even. It sounds like this little glider boy is getting a much better life than what he had previously.

The tank isn't a good thing, nor is him being alone but in all honesty maybe he's in a transition phase. We all go through that. There's also a possibility this is just the standard glider care that is common in Singapore (I wouldn't know from first hand experience).

We don't know the whole story.
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Nov 07 2010
04:29:55 PM
KristyvanErven Glider Visit KristyvanErven's Photo Album KristyvanErven's Journal MO, USA 140 Posts
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Originally posted by jaguar

Well, k, fine.
I didn't know any of that and this is the first time I have been on this site.
Good to hear al of you are very educated.
Glad that was cleared up.
I did not know that you see videos of abused SG all of the time.
Hopefully tho, 1 person at least learned that you cannot keep a SG in a tank.
so, something good came out of the thread.
Bye Bye.





Yes, I did say I didn't see much wrong with it, because the glider was obviously healthly, and it appears she takes the glider out of its tank/cage a lot. Which is fine. Some people do keep their pets in glass tanks, or wood. If there were signs of abuse, I would have pointed it out. Maybe its easier for her to clean? There are factors we don't know here, and I think its a bit quick of you to judge me based on one reply.
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Nov 07 2010
04:36:50 PM
KristyvanErven Glider Visit KristyvanErven's Photo Album KristyvanErven's Journal MO, USA 140 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by jaguar

Wow.
I am surprised at the responses.
IMO a SG does not belong in a glass tank.

How will it climb around? No one can take out a sugar glider enough to keep it in a glass tank.
That is craziness. It is not a hamster.
It belongs in a cage where it can glide and climb around.
And I am surprised that all is happy with the wheel.
I knew someone who had a wheel like that and the SG raced around in it, but unfortunately, his tail rubbed against the side of it, causing an irritation, along with an infection leading to an amputated tail.
And, I am surprised all is happy with a SG eating a black olive which is 100% salt.
Well, it is all IMO.
But I would not.
And, I am a girl. phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/pet/2025933797.html
Bye Bye.




And you do realize people use smaller cages like the ones you have posted there as hospital cages right? Not everyone keeps their glider in a small cage. A lot of those are used for gliders who have come out of surgery and such because lets face it, if you got sick, you don't want to move a whole lot.
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Nov 07 2010
05:27:29 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I don't think aquariums are proper housing for sugar gliders at all. They need to be able to climb, jump and glide. They're entirely too low for anything like that. We don't know what kind of shavings are at the bottom, but we do all know that almost all wood shavings are bad for them. We also know that the glider is always walking around in it...meaning they're also always walking around in their own waste and old food. The Silent Spinner wheel is dangerous. Do a search up top for it...you'll find the info. The way this glider is being housed is not appropriate. Period.

I'm also sure you noticed the glider doing backflips at the beginning of the video. That's a sign of stress. I did pause it to try and get a better look, but are there are pets in that aquarium with him?

I promise you I'm not the only one here with common sense. LOL The person that asked you to elaborate is also the owner of this site. I promise you he knows this is not proper housing also. No one could ever convince me it is.
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Nov 07 2010
06:57:27 PM
jaguar Lost in space 20 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Tenshi

The glider seems happy. They speak English in other countries besides our own. My friend -100% Filipino- was raised In Catanduanes, and was taught to speak fluently minus the common slang terms which he picked up on incredibly fast. Just because our olives are 100% salt, they are pickled and bottled in factories; I assume that since the olive was not pickled nor cored that it was fine. Yeah the cage had its flaws, we cant fix every last Glider owner on Earth. We do what we can to educate others so that hopefully the problem decreases. But it never will, there are still people who keep dogs in kennels that are to small, there are those who beat, starve, mutilate their animals. I see nothing other than the olive and the cage as being a problem. We also dont know if thats the ONLY cage she has (Maybe she put him there to do the backflip trick for the camera) There are MANY variables that we do not know simply because its a video, on youtube.

The glider looks healthy, and happy. You'd get better responses if you posted a nappy glider, one that crabbed and bit excessively, or if you found something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xnFwrts-rk really someone pop the girl in the vid for trying to look cute.



Here is the problem with that video.
And, any other video.
Sugar glider are not meant to be your pet, or my pet or anyones pet.
IMO the only people who should own gliders are people that have colonies of them with big a$$ cages.
They handle them from time to time, but other than that, they leave them alone and let them live peacefully.
IMO, your SG and my SG, 1 or 2 which many people have sure the heck are not thriving living in your pocket, or a 20x20x20 cage, which should be a MINIMUM for 1.
The only reason I even own a glider is because she was being abused by the pet store.
If she bit, they smacked her, and told me Dominance was the key into bonding.
They swung her around by her tail to show people how she could glide. Her fur was missing on her tail, and
when I took her home from the store, she was so exhausted, she slept in my hand the whole way home.
Her fur has since grown back. She spends alot of time with me. I carry her around all day, and spend at least 1 hour in the beginning of the night, and 1 hour in the morning with her. I do what I can.
But, she would be A LOT HAPPIER out there in the wild.
Unfortunately, people like you and I, who keep buying them, keep that from happening.
Please....... I want not to offend any of you. But my belief is my belief.
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Nov 07 2010
07:13:47 PM
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My opinion; I don't want to offend you, but I don't think you should judge anyone that own a colony of gliders. Some people DO spend time with them. In fact, I don't think you should judge anyone that own gliders.
I'm glad that you saved a sugar glider from abuse.
I find sugar gliders are beautiful and unique, then I think of the wild. There's more predators that will prey on sugar gliders. I like to think of it that sometimes sugar gliders might be safer and have a better life with a sugar glider owner.
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Nov 07 2010
07:18:07 PM
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Originally posted by jaguar
Sugar glider are not meant to be your pet, or my pet or anyones pet....
The only reason I even own a glider is because she was being abused by the pet store.....

Unfortunately, people like you and I, who keep buying them, keep that from happening.
Please....... I want not to offend any of you. But my belief is my belief.




Unfortunatly, people like you who keep buying them are contributing to the problem. If you buy it from the pet store they will just turn around and buy and abuse more. FIND A RESCUE!

"IMO the only people who should own gliders are people that have colonies of them with big a$$ cages'

But you only have 1?

Edited by - Catman on Nov 07 2010 07:22:58 PM
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07:21:49 PM
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Originally posted by Panda_Bear

My opinion; I don't want to offend you, but I don't think you should judge anyone that own a colony of gliders. Some people DO spend time with them. In fact, I don't think you should judge anyone that own gliders.
I'm glad that you saved a sugar glider from abuse.
I find sugar gliders are beautiful and unique, then I think of the wild. There's more predators that will prey on sugar gliders. I like to think of it that sometimes sugar gliders might be safer and have a better life with a sugar glider owner.




One day of freedom is better than a life time of captivity IMO.
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Nov 07 2010
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quote:
Originally posted by Catman

quote:
Originally posted by jaguar
Sugar glider are not meant to be your pet, or my pet or anyones pet....
The only reason I even own a glider is because she was being abused by the pet store.....

Unfortunately, people like you and I, who keep buying them, keep that from happening.
Please....... I want not to offend any of you. But my belief is my belief.




Unfortunatly, people like you who keep buying them are contributing to the problem. If you buy it from the pet store they will just turn around and buy and abuse more. FIND A RESCUE!

"IMO the only people who should own gliders are people that have colonies of them with big a$$ cages'

But you only have 1?



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One day of freedom is better than a life time of captivity IMO.




That's true. I was sort of writing through the emotions. I also agree with you about "contributing to the problem" and about rescues. I think you summed it up correctly.
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Nov 07 2010
07:45:21 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jaguar

quote:
Originally posted by Catman

quote:
Originally posted by jaguar
Sugar glider are not meant to be your pet, or my pet or anyones pet....
The only reason I even own a glider is because she was being abused by the pet store.....

Unfortunately, people like you and I, who keep buying them, keep that from happening.
Please....... I want not to offend any of you. But my belief is my belief.




Unfortunatly, people like you who keep buying them are contributing to the problem. If you buy it from the pet store they will just turn around and buy and abuse more. FIND A RESCUE!

"IMO the only people who should own gliders are people that have colonies of them with big a$$ cages'

But you only have 1?




Just one lonely glider is all I have.
I never stated that I did not put myself into my own category.
And, IMO all gliders that are owned, UNLESS you have a big COLONY, are abused in some way or another.
We all do the best we can in the care of them, but there is much controversy as to how to take care of them
that some kind of abuse is inevitable.
And, all of you are entitled to your opinion, and please remember, as I also am.

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Nov 07 2010
07:47:03 PM
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My cage is much bigger than 20x20x20, and my gliders dont like sleeping in my pockets, they like their pouches better. & I'm certain there are people here with colonies who spend lots of time with their suggies. The point you're trying to make doesnt make sense when you yourself have ONE glider, and as catman said had gotten from a pet store only making the problem worse, because a new glider will now be in the position of the glider you took home. I believe a glider would be alot more happy out in the wild, but i think they are content being spoiled by suggie slaves.

This forum has helped me more than any other suggie site i can think of...the drama was high and i think we're all trying to steer clear of it & not make people feel "attacked" when they come here...of course there are things wrong with that video, but sitting here putting it into detail and talking "crap" about it isn't going to help the suggie, maybe a kind push towards this site? or some reliable suggie info towards the owner? We can only hope she'll take the information and use it...other than that there is not much else we can do.
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Nov 07 2010
09:24:14 PM
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i dont think my boys would be happier in the wild because they arent wild gliders.they have no idea about the lives that wild sugar gliders have so there is no reason for them to miss it. they still have instincts from the wild but thats why you give them toys and things that will use those abilities they arent as domesticated as cats and dogs but im sure you could say that cats and dogs would be happier in the wild, but i dont think so. they get to lay around all day, play and hunt, get their food and water given to them in a bowl, and get spoiled. i know thats only in good homes but i cant do anything about the stupid people who treat their pets badly.
i have 2 gliders who are brothers that i rescued their cage is a good size but they will be getting a huge cage this month. i dont just spend hour or two with them, they are out from 8pm-midnight or later if i dont go to bed. and then i let them do whatever they want in my room and they will come and check up on me because they want me to play with them.
i would love a big colony but i dont have the space i would want and need for that. i have plenty of room for my two boys but thats it. sugar gliders are not going to stop being pets they are here and overflowing so we might as well have these wonderful little animals as pets and do what we can to make their lives as nice as possible. you should find a rescue and take a glider off of their hands so your glider can have a friend, you dont have to feel like your encouraging the problem, and a new glider can take its spot at the rescue.

Edited by - shadow on Nov 07 2010 09:30:35 PM
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Nov 07 2010
09:28:00 PM
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I just want to say I have never ONCE abused my gliders and I think that kind of accusation is just plain ignorant. I love my gliders and do my very best to take care of them! Yes, I only have three, but they are NOT and have NEVER BEEN abused. Period.
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