Let me start by saying that I feed Lady and Tiko HPW.

I have offered them lean ground beef, shrimp, chicken, eggs, raw peanuts (not often at all) and turkey and they won't touch any of it, unless they need to move it out of their way. They finish their HPW every night and lately they've been getting 1 meal worm a day but I don't want to rely to heavily on the meal worms because of their fat content.

Are they getting enough protein? If not, what else could I give them?

Thank you in advance for help!

I feed HPW and I don't give any additional protein.
The HPW mix is their protein:)
Mealies are just a treat anyway

Corn is a good source of protein and most gliders love it. You will need to offset the high phosphorus count in it though with either 8 parts of papaya to every one part of corn, or by adding powdered calcium. One pinch (1/8th of a teaspoon) will be good for up to ten servings.

Cottage cheese or yogurt is also a good protein source. you can either mix that in with frutis and veggies or put a plop on the side.

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<br />Corn is a good source of protein and most gliders love it. You will need to offset the high phosphorus count in it though with either 8 parts of papaya to every one part of corn, or by adding powdered calcium. One pinch (1/8th of a teaspoon) will be good for up to ten servings.

Cottage cheese or yogurt is also a good protein source. you can either mix that in with frutis and veggies or put a plop on the side.
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I'll have to give the corn a try, they've been ignoring their yogurt lately too...which I wish they wouldn't with being on antibiotics and all. I have some calcium I can add to the corn since I haven't seen much papaya around due to the recall, I think Georgia was one of the states with a higher number of infections

Thank you for the advice!!

You can suck yogurt into straws and freeze it, then cut into sections and give it to them, mine love it!

~Michelle~

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<br />You can suck yogurt into straws and freeze it, then cut into sections and give it to them, mine love it!

~Michelle~
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That's such a great idea!! I have some spare syringes from the first time they were on meds and I use it to inject honey into straws...I never thought of doing that with yogurt

Have you also tried boiling the chicken in half water and half apple juice? Mine absolutely love the chicken this way, and I have tried it and it is quite tasty! Just a suggestion.

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<br />Have you also tried boiling the chicken in half water and half apple juice? Mine absolutely love the chicken this way, and I have tried it and it is quite tasty! Just a suggestion.
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Boil bad, simmer good.

So may be a dumb question, but can you explain to me why boiling is bad and simmering is good for the chicken?

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<br />So may be a dumb question, but can you explain to me why boiling is bad and simmering is good for the chicken?
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Boiling makes it tougher. For a more tender finished product you simmer. "boil bad, simmer good is etched into my brain so every time I hear someone say they're going to boil something I hear "boil bad, simmer good" echoing in my head. This article says it well enough http://www.cookinglight.com/cooking-101/techniques/cooking-class-boiling-and-simmering-00400000001032/

Thanks for the explanation! When I do boil the chicken in the half water, half apple juice, I then kinda shred (or tear into pieces) the chicken before serving to the suggies. If that last sentence makes sense? It actually isn't tough at all when it is done, I don't know if the apple juice helps with that. It is juicy and full of flavor. But, I will definitely try the simmer thing next time.

There should be a thread in the diet section that I posted about a yogurt that I found with REALLY high protein and calcium, it was also sweetened with honey and no or very low fat :-) *But some gliders have a lactose problem I understand*

We do alot of hunting here, so I really like to try and give the animals "nature food" - for me that means a lot of deer, which they LOVE (it's lean protein). Seems rabbit and hog are to fatty and now that I have gliders, I don't eat squirrl. But since they eat chicks in the wild, I also do chicken and turkey - and have read that some people get pinky mice at the pet store to feed. *Please ask more experience members about this*.

My next order HPW complete didn't come in as expected the other day, so I've been giving extra meal worms (3 or 4 each), deer, chicken, scrambled egg and a tiny dab of either yogurt or cottage cheese.

What does the HPW smell like? (HPW complete and hpw are different things)... Mine will not eat anything other than the HPW complete. It smells a little sweet (I even tasted it, lol)

Oh - also chicken baby food and turkey baby food - they like that too. When I really got worried before getting them on the hpw complete I'd put honey on things to get them to eat it.

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<br />There should be a thread in the diet section that I posted about a yogurt that I found with REALLY high protein and calcium, it was also sweetened with honey and no or very low fat :-) *But some gliders have a lactose problem I understand*

and have read that some people get pinky mice at the pet store to feed. *Please ask more experience members about this*.

What does the HPW smell like? (HPW complete and hpw are different things)... Mine will not eat anything other than the HPW complete. It smells a little sweet (I even tasted it, lol)

Oh - also chicken baby food and turkey baby food - they like that too. When I really got worried before getting them on the hpw complete I'd put honey on things to get them to eat it.
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Thank you! I'll definitely look for that thread.

I couldn't do the pinkies...I just can't. I'm okay with meal worms because I hate insects but I think I would feel terrible about little live babies.

The HPW smells <b>HORRID</b> when you blend it...be careful of that especially if you have a weak stomach. It might not be bad to some people but I thought it smelled REALLY bad.

I've tried baby food before and they are not at all interested...it seems that they only find HPW and yogurt to be the only acceptable food that is not in chunks.

I apologize - I must have misunderstood your question - duhr.

Lol, picky little guys! I haven't read about the HPW at great length, but from what I understand, if they ate nothing more than the HPW they would be "good to go" for their protein. I think these protein portions of the diet (bml, hpw, hpw complete and such) ARE the protein. I think they are created in such a way that just giving that and the fruit/veggies is what we are suppose to do. Everything else we give them is snacks/treats and although they like it and we feel good about it, it's not necessary.
I know, I don't feel good to do ONLY what I'm suppose to do, I always want to go overboard. lol

My question would be how old are your babies? My gliders switch between BML and LGRS, and at first they would not touch their veggies/fruit or mealies which is why i had started to question their diet, but they were very young the people I got them from lied about how old they were and once they got older they began eating better...So still offer them every night and they will eventually clear em out. Mine do anyways, another suggestion is soak them in say, watermelon juice or some other kind of freshly made pure fruit juice....that helped get mine interested and then I slowly began lessening the time soaked/amount of stuff they soaked in. Now i soak them as a treat.

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<br />My question would be how old are your babies? My gliders switch between BML and LGRS, and at first they would not touch their veggies/fruit or mealies which is why i had started to question their diet, but they were very young the people I got them from lied about how old they were and once they got older they began eating better...So still offer them every night and they will eventually clear em out. Mine do anyways, another suggestion is soak them in say, watermelon juice or some other kind of freshly made pure fruit juice....that helped get mine interested and then I slowly began lessening the time soaked/amount of stuff they soaked in. Now i soak them as a treat.
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They are around 8 months old.

I'll have to find a juice that they like, so far they're not fond of apple, watermelon or pomegranate (sp?)...they can be SO picky.

Anyone know if the smoothie packs with the yogurt bits are okay?

http://yoplait.com/products/yoplait-smoothie-yogurt

I made a protien sauce yesterday( to put on some fuit and vegg.) for my lacctating momma glider ...... quoting me on my post.......<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SugarCookie</i>
<br />So I have a lactaiting female (Button), and I was trying to find creative ways to give her protein. So I made this sauce to put on their veggies and fuit tonight.I blended;2 scrambled egg whites,2 drips of organic honey,3 chunks of mango, few slices of banana, cucumber chunks, snap of brocoli (sized of a finger),A very light sprinkle of baby rice cereal.........So, she will have protein,vitamins, minerals, and some friut to disguise the taste (i tasted it ,it tasted very nice and edible lol).. And I'm going to serve a 2 tbsp. of that on 2 tbsps of fruit and veggies (together), (my gliders like to share their food lol).... Does it sound good? No negative comments or debates, just suggestions,opinions, and remiders please! ~Thanks!
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HPW is the protein in the HPW diets - additional protein is not necessary unless you are offering it in place of the HPW for an occasional night off of their regular diet.

About the pinky mice, my boys love hunting and feasting on them. I have a separate cage I use as the "hunting grounds" and will do that maybe once a month or every other month. I can offer more details (not for the squeamish) if anybody wants them.

About the freezing yogurt straws, that sounds like a really cool idea but I read that freezing yogurt kills the active cultures which are beneficial to the gliders. I am not a scientist, so I am not sure if that is 100% accurate, just something I read.

I recently read that u can give them like the "drummy" part of a chicken wing, skin off and they will chew on the bone & suck the marrow out.... Has anyone ever heard of this???? And is allowing them to chew on chicken bones safe? I know they can puncture dogs stomachs & scratch throats... wondering if that applies to Gliders as well??? Thanks!

I don't know if they are safe for gliders. I do know that its COOKED bones that are dangerous for cats and dogs. My dog eats a whole chicken and has NO issues. He has been fed raw since he was 3 months old.

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<br />Corn is a good source of protein and most gliders love it. You will need to offset the high phosphorus count in it though with either 8 parts of papaya to every one part of corn, or by adding powdered calcium. One pinch (1/8th of a teaspoon) will be good for up to ten servings.

Cottage cheese or yogurt is also a good protein source. you can either mix that in with frutis and veggies or put a plop on the side.
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i didnt know you could give cottage cheese. Ed i wanted to say thank you cause you always help so much with questions and are so knowledgeable. I wanna try a little cottage cheese now.

Gliders love the chicken wings - just plain boiled or baked. My gliders also get boiled turkey necks when I fix turkey. I pull some meat off the necks to use in my gravy and the gliders get the rest.

Gliders do not eat the chicken bones, but they may lick out the marrow if the bone is broken. They strip all the meat off the turkey necks and then play with the bones when they are done.

Thank you Candy! I think I'm gonna need to try that. My little boogers LOVE chicken & turkey babyfood, & the vienna sausages for babies. I rinse the sausages off in water to get all that broth off that they sit in. I feed them HPW but they won't polish it off consistently. One night is good, then like last night, they barely touched ANYTHING,...HPW, fruits or veggies! And I got some yogies that everyones little darlings seem to luv & they won't touch 'em! Won't eat mealworms either! I worry when they have nights like that.


Just had a thought.... what about tuna packed in water? Or Salmon? I have salmon packed in individual vacuum packaging that I thaw in warm water in the sink,..... IF they can have Salmon, could I thaw it that way & feed them or would I need to cook it?

Thanks Bunches!

I think the mercury levels might be too much for gliders. I believe smaller the fish the better. I know that's what they say for dogs and cats. I could be wrong. Just going off what I have learned about feeding my other fur kids a raw diet.

Me cutting up his vienna sausage this morning after I realized he didn't eat much of his HPW,.... Does that face show how much he loves them??? LOL!!!! I can almost see the drool out of the corner of his mouth! HAHAHAHA!

Keep in mind they are smart. Any chance he didn't eat his dinner because he knows it might mean he gets these? Such a cute picture!!!

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<br />Keep in mind they are smart. Any chance he didn't eat his dinner because he knows it might mean he gets these? Such a cute picture!!!
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Well this is the first time I've done this,...it's the first time they barely ate ANYTHING! Usually they will ate least eat most of their fruit, or eat their HPW & leave everything else,...last night however a bit of the HPW was touched, a bit of spinach nibbled at that was it! I was afraid they might be hungry so I wanted to give them something I knew they'd eat,...but yeah, I better be careful cuz I may have just sent him a very "good" message! LOL!

LOL the picture alone makes it worth it. My girls rarely finish all their food. I even cut back some because I was wasting so much. They are 6 months old and I think still picky joeys =D