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khigh Super Glider   290 Posts
Do people here really feed it because they think it is the BEST food available, or do they feed it because it is the EASIEST food available?
FeathersNFur Super Glider USA 232 Posts I feed HPW Plus and HPW Complete. It is not a lazy diet. I spend a lot of time cutting up green peppers, cucumbers, bok choy, apples, papaya, melon and other fruit that is fed with it. You just don't slap the complete and some mixed veggies in front of them. I follow the diet as written, so I am washing and cutting up the additional veggies and all the fruit. Not in the same way time goes into the other diets. This is, literally, pouring something out of a bag and adding water. Yes, there is fruits and veggies, but that is part of any diet. The lazy is the; pour, add water, done! Poof. khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Grace</i> <br />Speaking of diets, when is yours going to be available to the public Khigh?  <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Expect initial samples in mid June. =) <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hypnotist321</i> <br />I feed it because it's one of the 2 diets that I can say I trust the creators and I feel they know what they are doing. I'd feed HPW complete (or anything else by Peggy) or BML - I wouldn't, at this point, feel comfortable feeding anything else. With that in mind, my guys won't eat the BML anymore (trying to make the switch again now) - and when faced with the other choices Peggy put together - the complete makes the most scene as far as trying to find, buy and have everything shipped. It might not be the cheapest, but I know it's done right. And it's not easier than the other diets in my opinion. The other diets you can just make a large amount, freeze it, and pull some frozen stuff from the fridge and call it done. I make the complete and feed it without having been frozen. So I'm doing the whole "make the babies dinner" thing every night. And I enjoy it :-) I'd miss amking new foraging toys for their dinners and putting together their little dishes (they like to eat from different dishes etc every night *eye roll* They're pretty much spoiled rotten - I'll have to keep them. lol The veggie and fruit mix - those I do make large enough batches to freeze - I can't seem to get around it. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> What the heck is wrong with HPW Original? khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Anonymous</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hypnotist321</i> <br />I feed it because it's one of the 2 diets that I can say I trust the creators and I feel they know what they are doing. I'd feed HPW complete (or anything else by Peggy) or BML - I wouldn't, at this point, feel comfortable feeding anything else. With that in mind, my guys won't eat the BML anymore (trying to make the switch again now) - and when faced with the other choices Peggy put together - the complete makes the most scene as far as trying to find, buy and have everything shipped. It might not be the cheapest, but I know it's done right. And it's not easier than the other diets in my opinion. The other diets you can just make a large amount, freeze it, and pull some frozen stuff from the fridge and call it done. I make the complete and feed it without having been frozen. So I'm doing the whole "make the babies dinner" thing every night. And I enjoy it :-) I'd miss amking new foraging toys for their dinners and putting together their little dishes (they like to eat from different dishes etc every night *eye roll* They're pretty much spoiled rotten - I'll have to keep them. lol The veggie and fruit mix - those I do make large enough batches to freeze - I can't seem to get around it. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> What the heck is wrong with HPW Original? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Not as much as the other two. A few cheap fillers, but nothing to cry over. hypnotist321 Fuzzy Wuzzy  1742 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Anonymous</i> <br /> What the heck is wrong with HPW Original? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Not as much as the other two. A few cheap fillers, but nothing to cry over. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Why on earth would you post anonymously? Nothing's 'wrong' with it as far as I know - I haven't used it. Let me get this point across - I DON'T KNOW what's best, therefor it's best to leave important things up to the people who do know. My vet checked out my diet - both BML and HPW Complete - and he approves. Also - to OP, if your not also anonymous, I 'feel' something not right here. Sorry if I'm wrong, but the tone is just not right. I'm not feeling "for the good of the gliders" or "I'd like to learn". And your basically ditching on a product and I don't appreciate it at all. If you'd rather ask something like, "I want to make glider food, would you rather buy ________, ________, ________ or _________". I'll be glad to answer. Too many trolls and trouble makers here lately. I don't trust your motives. newby Face Hugger 527 Posts www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1234244/Oh_The_Confusion_Would_this_id#Post1234244
This is about the use of synthetic VitK .... it is banned in Australia however is used here... AAFCO stands for: Association of Animal Feed Control Officials Did you know that Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K3) is the ONLY source of Vitamin K approved by the AAFCO at this time?? Did you also know that it is used widely in Organic foods as well?? Here are the letters written from Liz Higgins Chair, AAFCO PFC and Ali Kashani, AAFCO Vitamin Investigator beneath them I will include the link where these can be found. You see, someone else was worried about it as well and was trying to find a way to use something else.... Quote: Quote: "Menadione sodium bisulfite complex is the only acceptable source of Vitamin K in pet foods. At this time, no other sources of Vitamin K are allowed in pet food including natural Vitamin K and K1 (phylloquinone). If you have additional questions regarding vitamins, please contact Ali Kashani, who is AAFCO's Vitamin Investigator. I hope this answers your question, Regards, Liz Higgins Chair, AAFCO PFC" The letter from Ali Kashani Quote: Quote: "Good morning Susan, I certainly remember meeting you at the January AAFCO meeting and our brief discussion on the first and second days of the meeting. In order for ingredients to be considered safe and effective for their intended use, data need to be submitted and reviewed, unless one of other conditions like generally recognized safe (GRAS) and or prior history of safety use have been determined. Menadione or Menadione sodium bisulfite complex has a GRAS status for use in poultry feed at 2 to 4 g per ton of feed (Federal Register 55:50777, December 10, 1990). . States and FDA have given low regulatory priority for use of the above vitamin as source of vitamin K in other species’ feeds including pet food. I believe Liz’s reference was to pure sources of vitamin K. If you have ingredients that contain natural sources of vitamin K in their composition, as long as the methods of analyses are legitimate and can be verified, I believe the manufacturer can list it in the guaranteed analysis section of the label, as long as they meet other requirements (units of the vitamin, etc.). I hope the above explanation adequately addresses your questions. Please let me know if I can provide any additional explanation. Best Regards! Ali" The link for you to read this page in its entirety can be found www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/the-only-approved-vitamin-k-supplement-in-pet-food.html
Also, if you look on the net, you will see many food items that use this in their organic foods, here is just one... www.countrysideorganics.com/product.php?productid=140
Quote: Organic Turkey Starter Feed, 50 lb. Crude protein, minimum 23.00% Crude fat, minimum 3.00% Crude fiber, maximum 5.00% INGREDIENTS Organic Field Peas, Organic Corn, Organic Wheat, Fish Meal, Organic Flaxseed, Organic Rice Bran, Organic Alfalfa Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Dried Organic Kelp, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Choline, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Iron Polysaccharide Complex, Manganese Polysaccharide Complex, Zinc Polysaccharide Complex, Copper Polysaccharide Complex, Cobalt Polysaccharide Complex, Yeast Culture, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Bacillus Licheniformis, Bacillus Subtilis, Lactobacillus Lactis, Enterococcus Faecium, (Dried Aspergillis Oryzae Fermentation Extract) Please also let us remember, that when a product does use this in their foods the amount is sooooo small it really doesnt have that much of a threat to it. It is when it is consumed in very large amounts that makes it dangerous. We can say this about many things we eat or drink. And yes, HPW Complete and Plus powder's Manufacturing company is AAFCO approved. DizzyPo Fuzzy Wuzzy  USA 1241 Posts hypnotist321 Fuzzy Wuzzy 1742 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> <br />What makes you trust Peggy specifically? Especially over research by scientists showing the ingredients in her powders are unsafe? Yes, I am getting information for my benefit. I am asking pointed questions to see if marketing a healthier diet is feasible. If there was a healthier diet available that didn't have Peggy's name on it, would you use it? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I trust Peggy and Bourbon because I know they have alot of experience, they have alot of knowledge that didn't come easy, and they CARE about the gliders - not just what ever money they can make from them. I also trust some very knowledgeable members here that have been care taking and researching and have a good understanding of gliders and their diet needs. But as far as I know - they haven't made a diet that I can't screw up. Therefore, right now, I go to Peggy's diet. She made it, I can't screw it up - it's a done deal. You ask about another diet - healthier - without a trusted name on it? Depends. Who's name is on it? What does this person know about what's healthy? For pity sake, before I brought my gliders home I had went to all the pet stores, then ended up on line, read read read and came up with this "super, best of the best, exotic, has every thing they need, perfect" glider food. Sounded great hu? I had no clue.... it was pellets! Thank goodness I didn't feed them to the gliders and found approved diets first. Who are you trying to fool by discrediting another person - of course they're name carries a great deal of respect and trust. And might I add, that picture you posted in your original post and suggestion that buying/using complete was for lazy people knocks you status of integrity, character, trust-ability and credibility down to a below zero for me. Anyone who will work long and hard on learning and researching something dear enough to them to put the time and energy in... that kind of person would not try to pull them selves up by stepping on other people. khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hypnotist321</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Anonymous</i> <br /> What the heck is wrong with HPW Original? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Not as much as the other two. A few cheap fillers, but nothing to cry over. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Why on earth would you post anonymously? Nothing's 'wrong' with it as far as I know - I haven't used it. Let me get this point across - I DON'T KNOW what's best, therefor it's best to leave important things up to the people who do know. My vet checked out my diet - both BML and HPW Complete - and he approves. Also - to OP, if your not also anonymous, I 'feel' something not right here. Sorry if I'm wrong, but the tone is just not right. I'm not feeling "for the good of the gliders" or "I'd like to learn". And your basically ditching on a product and I don't appreciate it at all. If you'd rather ask something like, "I want to make glider food, would you rather buy ________, ________, ________ or _________". I'll be glad to answer. Too many trolls and trouble makers here lately. I don't trust your motives. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I don't post anonymously. Anyone in chat could tell you. Vets also don't know nutrition. Ask your vet how many nutrition classes they took in college. Hint- zero are required. khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by newby</i> <br /> www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1234244/Oh_The_Confusion_Would_this_id#Post1234244
This is about the use of synthetic VitK .... it is banned in Australia however is used here... AAFCO stands for: Association of Animal Feed Control Officials Did you know that Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K3) is the ONLY source of Vitamin K approved by the AAFCO at this time?? Did you also know that it is used widely in Organic foods as well?? Here are the letters written from Liz Higgins Chair, AAFCO PFC and Ali Kashani, AAFCO Vitamin Investigator beneath them I will include the link where these can be found. You see, someone else was worried about it as well and was trying to find a way to use something else.... Quote: Quote: "Menadione sodium bisulfite complex is the only acceptable source of Vitamin K in pet foods. At this time, no other sources of Vitamin K are allowed in pet food including natural Vitamin K and K1 (phylloquinone). If you have additional questions regarding vitamins, please contact Ali Kashani, who is AAFCO's Vitamin Investigator. I hope this answers your question, Regards, Liz Higgins Chair, AAFCO PFC" The letter from Ali Kashani Quote: Quote: "Good morning Susan, I certainly remember meeting you at the January AAFCO meeting and our brief discussion on the first and second days of the meeting. In order for ingredients to be considered safe and effective for their intended use, data need to be submitted and reviewed, unless one of other conditions like generally recognized safe (GRAS) and or prior history of safety use have been determined. Menadione or Menadione sodium bisulfite complex has a GRAS status for use in poultry feed at 2 to 4 g per ton of feed (Federal Register 55:50777, December 10, 1990). . States and FDA have given low regulatory priority for use of the above vitamin as source of vitamin K in other species’ feeds including pet food. I believe Liz’s reference was to pure sources of vitamin K. If you have ingredients that contain natural sources of vitamin K in their composition, as long as the methods of analyses are legitimate and can be verified, I believe the manufacturer can list it in the guaranteed analysis section of the label, as long as they meet other requirements (units of the vitamin, etc.). I hope the above explanation adequately addresses your questions. Please let me know if I can provide any additional explanation. Best Regards! Ali" The link for you to read this page in its entirety can be found www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/the-only-approved-vitamin-k-supplement-in-pet-food.html
Also, if you look on the net, you will see many food items that use this in their organic foods, here is just one... www.countrysideorganics.com/product.php?productid=140
Quote: Organic Turkey Starter Feed, 50 lb. Crude protein, minimum 23.00% Crude fat, minimum 3.00% Crude fiber, maximum 5.00% INGREDIENTS Organic Field Peas, Organic Corn, Organic Wheat, Fish Meal, Organic Flaxseed, Organic Rice Bran, Organic Alfalfa Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Dried Organic Kelp, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Choline, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Biotin, Folic Acid, Iron Polysaccharide Complex, Manganese Polysaccharide Complex, Zinc Polysaccharide Complex, Copper Polysaccharide Complex, Cobalt Polysaccharide Complex, Yeast Culture, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Bacillus Licheniformis, Bacillus Subtilis, Lactobacillus Lactis, Enterococcus Faecium, (Dried Aspergillis Oryzae Fermentation Extract) Please also let us remember, that when a product does use this in their foods the amount is sooooo small it really doesnt have that much of a threat to it. It is when it is consumed in very large amounts that makes it dangerous. We can say this about many things we eat or drink. And yes, HPW Complete and Plus powder's Manufacturing company is AAFCO approved<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> You might want to read that letter again. You can use natural vitamin k. It just must be labeled in its whole food source- ie spinach. [/quote] khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hypnotist321</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> <br />What makes you trust Peggy specifically? Especially over research by scientists showing the ingredients in her powders are unsafe? Yes, I am getting information for my benefit. I am asking pointed questions to see if marketing a healthier diet is feasible. If there was a healthier diet available that didn't have Peggy's name on it, would you use it? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I trust Peggy and Bourbon because I know they have alot of experience, they have alot of knowledge that didn't come easy, and they CARE about the gliders - not just what ever money they can make from them. I also trust some very knowledgeable members here that have been care taking and researching and have a good understanding of gliders and their diet needs. But as far as I know - they haven't made a diet that I can't screw up. Therefore, right now, I go to Peggy's diet. She made it, I can't screw it up - it's a done deal. You ask about another diet - healthier - without a trusted name on it? Depends. Who's name is on it? What does this person know about what's healthy? For pity sake, before I brought my gliders home I had went to all the pet stores, then ended up on line, read read read and came up with this "super, best of the best, exotic, has every thing they need, perfect" glider food. Sounded great hu? I had no clue.... it was pellets! Thank goodness I didn't feed them to the gliders and found approved diets first. Who are you trying to fool by discrediting another person - of course they're name carries a great deal of respect and trust. And might I add, that picture you posted in your original post and suggestion that buying/using complete was for lazy people knocks you status of integrity, character, trust-ability and credibility down to a below zero for me. Anyone who will work long and hard on learning and researching something dear enough to them to put the time and energy in... that kind of person would not try to pull them selves up by stepping on other people. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Did you know that not long after Peggy spoke with PPP, she started diet studies? Did you know these cost thousands of dollars? And, it just so happens Virgil has thousands of dollars and a new product to sell that he can say is approved by the online community. Did you know Peggy was not the original creator of HPW? it was called PML. The picture was an attention getter and it seems to have worked well. I think Peggy does a hell of a good job at marketing, but that's about it. You know she isn't an all knowing glider God, right? khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tigerlily88</i> <br />There certainly is not a class for "Sugar Glider Nutrition" And I'm pretty sure exotic veterinary care in general is maybe a semester long :) <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> They don't even take canine or feline nutrition. They can't tell you what a dog should eat, so why ask them about the diet of anything else? hypnotist321 Fuzzy Wuzzy 1742 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> I don't post anonymously. Anyone in chat could tell you. Vets also don't know nutrition. Ask your vet how many nutrition classes they took in college. Hint- zero are required. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> So, you took "nutrition for glider" classes then? I'm guessing not, otherwise your post wouldn't have been knocking a product or the people who use it - it would have instead touted your vast wealth of knowledge. And why would I listen to a vet that never took the classes? Because this vet has worked with gliders for over a decade - I was dealing with Gliders as a "never even heard of or seen one before". All I knew was that 2 sweet animals needed a forever home that would not continue to breed them then rehome them keeping their joeys and never taking the time to even bond with them. I went looking for people who knew what they are talking about. You have not given me any reason to believe that you might be one such person. You might try using that angle instead of the one your presently working on. khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hypnotist321</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> I don't post anonymously. Anyone in chat could tell you. Vets also don't know nutrition. Ask your vet how many nutrition classes they took in college. Hint- zero are required. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> So, you took "nutrition for glider" classes then? I'm guessing not, otherwise your post wouldn't have been knocking a product or the people who use it - it would have instead touted your vast wealth of knowledge. And why would I listen to a vet that never took the classes? Because this vet has worked with gliders for over a decade - I was dealing with Gliders as a "never even heard of or seen one before". All I knew was that 2 sweet animals needed a forever home that would not continue to breed them then rehome them keeping their joeys and never taking the time to even bond with them. I went looking for people who knew what they are talking about. You have not given me any reason to believe that you might be one such person. You might try using that angle instead of the one your presently working on. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> One reason for this angle? Drama gets people talking. I've been working in conjunction with a zoo for 5 1/2 years on a diet, but I'm not going to release it prematurely. That's irresponsible. I've also got a certificate in animal nutrition and have worked in the pet food industry in one aspect or another for 7 years. Peggy- owned a pet store. And, look at my past posts. I have been doing informative posts, but they don't get attention like drama posts. kyro298 Glider Sprinkles  CO, USA 15262 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Did you know that not long after Peggy spoke with PPP, she started diet studies? Did you know these cost thousands of dollars? And, it just so happens Virgil has thousands of dollars and a new product to sell that he can say is approved by the online community. Did you know Peggy was not the original creator of HPW? it was called PML. The picture was an attention getter and it seems to have worked well. I think Peggy does a hell of a good job at marketing, but that's about it. You know she isn't an all knowing glider God, right? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> There aren't many secrets in the glider community and this has most certainly been beat to death before. I am now wondering if this is an actual thread wanting honest answers about why people feed what or a gateway to start bashing. To be clear, I'm no minion of anyone and again, I don't feed any of those diets. This thread is just starting to take a whole new direction. I'm sure you also know Peggy does not post here, so of course people are going to come to her defense. I'm sure you already know that too. Why not start an individual thread for each diet you do not approve of so there can be constructive discussion...or are you generally ok with the others? kyro298 Glider Sprinkles CO, USA 15262 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Did you know that not long after Peggy spoke with PPP, she started diet studies? Did you know these cost thousands of dollars? And, it just so happens Virgil has thousands of dollars and a new product to sell that he can say is approved by the online community. Did you know Peggy was not the original creator of HPW? it was called PML. The picture was an attention getter and it seems to have worked well. I think Peggy does a hell of a good job at marketing, but that's about it. You know she isn't an all knowing glider God, right? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> There aren't many secrets in the glider community and this has most certainly been beat to death before. I am now wondering if this is an actual thread wanting honest answers about why people feed what or a gateway to start bashing. To be clear, I'm no minion of anyone and again, I don't feed any of those diets. This thread is just starting to take a whole new direction. I'm sure you also know Peggy does not post here, so of course people are going to come to her defense. I'm sure you already know that too. Why not start an individual thread for each diet you do not approve of so there can be constructive discussion...or are you generally ok with the others? khigh Super Glider 290 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kyro298</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Did you know that not long after Peggy spoke with PPP, she started diet studies? Did you know these cost thousands of dollars? And, it just so happens Virgil has thousands of dollars and a new product to sell that he can say is approved by the online community. Did you know Peggy was not the original creator of HPW? it was called PML. The picture was an attention getter and it seems to have worked well. I think Peggy does a hell of a good job at marketing, but that's about it. You know she isn't an all knowing glider God, right? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> There aren't many secrets in the glider community and this has most certainly been beat to death before. I am now wondering if this is an actual thread wanting honest answers about why people feed what or a gateway to start bashing. To be clear, I'm no minion of anyone and again, I don't feed any of those diets. This thread is just starting to take a whole new direction. I'm sure you also know Peggy does not post here, so of course people are going to come to her defense. I'm sure you already know that too. Why not start an individual thread for each diet you do not approve of so there can be constructive discussion...or are you generally ok with the others? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I can sure post about each diet I don't like. I will do that when I get home so I can access my links database. There's only one diet already out that I would think about considering to feed and even with that one, there are things I am uncomfortable with. hypnotist321 Fuzzy Wuzzy 1742 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hypnotist321</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by khigh</i> I don't post anonymously. Anyone in chat could tell you. Vets also don't know nutrition. Ask your vet how many nutrition classes they took in college. Hint- zero are required. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> So, you took "nutrition for glider" classes then? I'm guessing not, otherwise your post wouldn't have been knocking a product or the people who use it - it would have instead touted your vast wealth of knowledge. And why would I listen to a vet that never took the classes? Because this vet has worked with gliders for over a decade - I was dealing with Gliders as a "never even heard of or seen one before". All I knew was that 2 sweet animals needed a forever home that would not continue to breed them then rehome them keeping their joeys and never taking the time to even bond with them. I went looking for people who knew what they are talking about. You have not given me any reason to believe that you might be one such person. You might try using that angle instead of the one your presently working on. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> One reason for this angle? Drama gets people talking. I've been working in conjunction with a zoo for 5 1/2 years on a diet, but I'm not going to release it prematurely. That's irresponsible. I've also got a certificate in animal nutrition and have worked in the pet food industry in one aspect or another for 7 years. Peggy- owned a pet store. And, look at my past posts. I have been doing informative posts, but they don't get attention like drama posts. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Good grief, with logic and reasoning skill like that, I must be talking to a progressive/liberal. Why don't we just give the gliders food stamps and let them shop for themselves.
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