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  |  Willows Tree
Fuzzy Wuzzy
 USA
1294 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 08:58:38 AM   |
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I feel sick  ..Y'all were right..Nothing can prepare you for finding bits & pieces of what was an adorable joey just the day before.
Now, what are the chances they will kill the other?..Any advice would be appreciated.
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 | sjones5254
Goofy Gorillatoes
SC, USA
2415 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 09:02:57 AM  |
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I am sorry :( I don't have any advice since I don't breed but I wanted to say sorry. I can't imagine
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| RChurch
Fuzzy Wuzzy
 USA
1377 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 09:04:34 AM |
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My condolences. *hugs* I can't imagine how you must be feeling. I also don't have any advice to give but hopefully someone knowledgable will come along soon and offer you sound advice.
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
 1500 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 09:05:16 AM  |
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I am so sorry. It is awful and nothing can prepare you to see it. Please check your private messages - I sent you Connie's info to call as she is the go-to person for rejected joeys.
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| Willows Tree
Fuzzy Wuzzy
USA
1294 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 09:32:45 AM |
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It was the little boy..And he was larger than the little girl that is left.
I just checked this minute, and she is fine, and nursing away.
Last night, I noticed both parents playing "downstairs" in the cage, so I took out their pouch to check on the beebeez..The lil girl quickly latched on to my finger (their strength to hold on is quite amazing).
Then a check of the pouch, turned up empty..I removed all the blankies, and found a few bits & pieces of him.
I DON"T expect sympathy, as I knew I was taking a risk, but I will forever be a spokesperson for neutering & adopting..Breeding is MOST definitely not for the average glider fan.
Thanks Petluv for the contact.
And thanks to everybuddy else for your support.
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| Rowangel
Glider
USA
149 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 09:36:44 AM |
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oh god...so sorry! Good luck with the second joey, I really hope all goes well.
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| StellaAnLuna
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1063 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 10:58:39 AM |
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Im so sorry for your lose.:(
Glide free little baby boy.
~Erica~
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| lilangels
Super Glider
315 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 11:05:29 AM |
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They can go on to raise the other baby just fine but please keep a very close eye on them for any signs of rejection.
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| Chosen12020
Super Glider
205 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 11:33:17 AM |
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I'm so sorry to hear that! That honestly just made me tear up. You will get through it though. Like someone said earlier, watch for signs of rejection with the second one.
These are few signs to watch out for:
<b>1. <b>The joey wondering alone outside of the pouch, or sitting alone at the bottom of the cage</b>. </b> OR...the joey wondering aound at the TOP of the pouch.
<b>2. Any scraches or bite marks. </b> A sign that the parent/parents is being violently aggressive towards it. If this is the case, you must quarantine the joey *immediately*. Take it to the vet. When you get home from the vet, you will have to build an incubator, to keep it separate from the parents and warm. You can go to www.suzsugargliders.com/#8203;helpforrejectedjoeys.htm for more information about this as well.
<b>3. If the joey is being left alone with NIETHER parent watching it for more than 15 minutes at a time. </b> Warmth is CRUCIAL to a new joey. So if it is being left alone for too long of a time, it can go into hypethermia. And when a joey is COLD, it does NOT want to eat, which can quickly lead to dehydration, and worse.
<b>4. The mother won't let the joey nurse. </b> I know that you said that she *Is* nursing the joey that is left, but still keep a close eye out on that.
I'm not trying to scare you, and I'm not an expert on this either. I'm just giving you a short list of some things to look out for with the joey that you have now. God bless you and the little one. You'll be okay.
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| dpatters28
Goofy Gorillatoes
 USA
3134 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 12:09:13 PM |
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*HUGE HUGS*
I'm so, so sorry! I wish I could be of more help, but I'm terrified to attempt breeding for this very reason. *hugs again*
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| Helen88uk
Fuzzy Wuzzy
United Kingdom
1417 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 12:14:04 PM |
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How old are these joeys? I've recently gone thru the same thing. Both my girls had twins within 2 days of eachother, one had twin boys, the other twin girls. About 3 or 4 days of the girls coming OOP I'd fed and checked on them at 7pm, everyone was fine. Checked at 10pm and I could only see 3 joeys, then one of them moved and there were just bones and red blotches at the bottom of the pouch.
I felt like I was going to be sick. It's truly awful to find, i'm just thankful they didn't leave much to find (as awful as that sounds). It's terrible because it happens so fast, you can tell if a joey is being rejected and have chance to do something. Cannibalisation can happen very quickly.
I wasn't sure what to do, I have a trio and had no idea which one of the adults was responsible. I took all 3 joeys straight out until I decided what to do.
The mum of the boys ran straight over and tried to get out of the cage to get to her joeys, she'd always been very attentive and I felt terrible about taking them away. The other mum didn't seem to notice. After about half hour of talkin to people on here I decided to put them all back in. Boo ran straight to her boys and took them away to nurse. Peeka wasn't interested. The remaining girl was left crying in the pouch alone. Peeka kept coming over to look in but made no effort to comfort her. So after 20 mins I decided to hand rear.
Is this remaining joey still being cared for properly? It's a hard one as they do so much better with their parents. Any signs of rejection and i'd definately pull, but if it was me, as hard as it is, i'd suggest leaving her with the parents if she's being looked after for the moment.
Are these her first joeys? Maybe twins was overwhelming. Just keep a close eye on her for the moment. Once they make it to two weeks they are normally 'safe', but just watch her x
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| renee14150
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1814 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 01:05:04 PM |
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I'm so sorry!! I know you don't think you deserve sympathy, but you have mine whether you like it or not. Hugs* I haven't gone thru it, I was very fortunate with my joeys. But regardless of all the research and preparation, I really don't think it can prepare you for the emotional toll it takes.
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| Chosen12020
Super Glider
205 Posts
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Apr 09 2012 : 03:43:26 PM |
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Willows Tree, one of my female sugar gliders, Scarlett, rejected *both* of her twin boys about a month ago. I meant to say that in my last post, sorry about that. So I know what it's like to lose a baby joey (2 of them). She just stopped nursing them, she didn't cannibolize them though, but that was bad enough.
I tried supplement feeding them, then putting them back into the cage with their parents, but they still died anyway. I don't know exactly what went wrong on my part,but worse came to worse.
I truly hope that all is well, and *stays* well with your other baby joey. God bless.
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| Willows Tree
Fuzzy Wuzzy
USA
1294 Posts
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Apr 10 2012 : 11:17:56 AM |
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Thank You all sooo very much!! I so appreciate all your kind words & advice.
Especially since I was expecting "I told you so's"..I am so grateful for the help, without the judgement.
Baby girl is doing just fine as of this morning..It is so hard to resist looking w/ a flashlight every few minutes, instead of every couple hours..I really don't want to stress Mom & Dad.
I also offer them mealies, and yogurt/Esbilac mix a few times during the day..Hoping it's a good thing to do.
I have read hours on the experts' websites, and haven't come across a recommendation.
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| Willows Tree
Fuzzy Wuzzy
USA
1294 Posts
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Apr 10 2012 : 12:23:14 PM |
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...and Thanks again, PetLuv..I haven't used Connie's contact info, but am keeping it close. <3
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| Willows Tree
Fuzzy Wuzzy
USA
1294 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 11:04:02 AM |
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Hello Friends..An update on my beebeez..Willow (Mom) & Widget (Dad) are doing a fine job..It is sooo endearing to watch how nurturing a father can be..Willow will drag the little one, underneath her, to capture a mealie..Yet Widge won't leave the pouch, or his daughter, when he is on duty..He will sit there, and cock his head back & forth, patiently waiting for any treat..And I watch him gently groom her, and use his hands to hold her..Makes me laugh.
The baby girl opened her eyes last night..Mom & Dad were both in the kitchen, so I took the op to hold her for a couple minutes..Wow, can she crawl!..I had no idea they could get around so well, at such a young age..I had the light down low, but I SWEAR the first time she looked directly in my face....She screamed her head off!..LOL..Such a BIG voice from such a little girl.
Parents went on high alert, so I calmly put her back in their pouch..They both checked her out, and went back to dinner..LOL
I'm sooo glad things are going well..We are discussing names for her now..
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| Willows Tree
Fuzzy Wuzzy
USA
1294 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 11:07:01 AM |
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Sorry..I should have probably started a new thread..That title looks dramatic now that I see it in "topics".
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| Helen88uk
Fuzzy Wuzzy
United Kingdom
1417 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 11:25:54 AM |
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LOL, they are so much faster than you think aren't they! And even tho she screamed it's wonderful that the parents rushed to her. I think you're lucky with this one!
Where they her first joeys? Maybe having twins was just abit overwhelming for her. And they're gorgeous when they're eyes open, they grow quick! Is she almost 2 week then? Awwww chuffed to bits for you darl, not the best overall experience but this could well be a happy ending :)
As terrible as it all was (and I went thru it 5wk ago) it helps you understand how much we often take for granted, and how 'fairytale' like we imagine thing to become. The reality can be very different, and in a strange way, I seem to have more respect for both my girls x
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| Willows Tree
Fuzzy Wuzzy
USA
1294 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 11:59:31 AM |
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Helen..I first saw Mom without them in the pouch 9 days ago..And yes, their first (and only) joeys, as I had Widget neutered when the pregnancy was well established.
My plan since I bought them, was to do it this way..I realized what could go wrong, but took the chance.
My long term plan is to adopt a couple/few more in the future regardless of how this pregnancy went..My husband is going to remodel my office as a glider room, but most likely not until next fall.
I can hardly wait!
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| Helen88uk
Fuzzy Wuzzy
United Kingdom
1417 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 12:05:54 PM |
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Ohhh that would be lovely! Are you wanting to adopt them to add to your 3? I always wanted a large colony, that's why I let mine breed. I thought it would be incredible to see a glider grow from joey to adult and just to see what kind of bond could be made with them. Also I thought it would be better than trying to introduce a pair of gliders to a group of 5/6.
So i've gone thru 1 canibalised joey, 1 rejected joey and 2 thriving little boys. So i'm stopping with 5 and i'm happy with this. They're a lovely little family to watch.
It's amazing the first time you see them leaving the pouch alone, altho terrifying too! And trying the parents food :) You've got so much to look forward to!x
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| marissa1987
Joey
27 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 08:35:34 PM |
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im sorry that happen and i hope that the other baby becomes a loving part of the family good luck
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| baby.girl
Face Hugger
USA
538 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 08:48:57 PM |
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the reason they may eat them is maybe something was wrong with them and as far as rejecting im not so sure way they do that but i know other animals only eat there young if they had heath issues in some rejected there young as well they just outcast them but i am so sorry for your lost
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| Chosen12020
Super Glider
205 Posts
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Apr 12 2012 : 11:16:41 PM |
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I'm glad that all is working out with your little baby, and that your husband is going to design your office room into a glider room I'm truly excited for you! That should be a fun adventure
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| Omis n Kais g-ma
Pouch Protector
TX, USA
7278 Posts
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Apr 13 2012 : 12:41:21 AM |
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We will need pictures of that glider room so we can fawn over it and wish and dream
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