Look at this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-qrLAIEgQM

Why?


Can only conclude that I'm not seeing what you are seeing.

OMG! I hope the poor little thing lived, it was so soaked!

If that is on your list of worse things you have ever seen, then you need to get out of the house.

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<br />If that is on your list of worse things you have ever seen, then you need to get out of the house.
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Rude.

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<br />If that is on your list of worse things you have ever seen, then you need to get out of the house.
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Rude.
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I happen to agree.

I really don't see anything wrong here. Other than the fact that the video is 7 minutes long.

I have actually seen some pretty bad videos involving gliders and water.

Looks like the owner is just doing what they think is needed for glider husbandry, just misinformed. I wish I could speak their language, many people who have used soap on their gliders somehow make their ears crust and fall off, they also give their little hands rashes.

i think the baby was enjoying the bath the baby trust her will they die from a bath

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<br />i think the baby was enjoying the bath the baby trust her will they die from a bath
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Bathing gliders is very dangerous. They are extremely prone to respiratory infections, if the water is too deep their gliding membrane makes it hard for them to swim, often resulting in drowning or respiratory issues from water getting into their lungs. So in short it is a real possibility that they could die.

Actually that video gives me some relief. I apologize I can't remember who but I know many of you will remember the glider that died a very horrible death from getting into hand soap during bathroom time not too long ago.

I have been terrified ever since. Not sure what type of soap she used and I really hope the baby didn't suffer any adverse effects from it but if not, apparently all soap isn't toxic to them.

Baths seem to be something of the norm in Asian Countries when it comes to gliders...

I'm thoroughly impressed at the fact that she didn't get her hand chewed off. Mine don't like being held like that to begin with, much less if I tried to dunk them in water! That was one tolerant little glider!

OMG that poor baby :( that is just horrible who would do such a thing to them

She didn't get crabbed at. She didn't have red scratches on her arms where the glider walked on her. She carefully tested the water temperature each time. She gently splashed the water up onto the glider, carefully avoiding it's face.

The glider was in no way distressed. It seemed quite accustomed to the ritual. Was a heck of a lot easier to bathe than my dog! It didn't seem overjoyed - but it clearly wasn't terrified or injured.

I witnessed someone from a culture that handles pet ownership differently then we do handling a very tame, well-bonded sugar glider in a caring, loving manner.

Again - what's horrible?

This thread really does put a few things in perspective ...

Someone posts saying they feed their glider high quality pellets or kibble ... the other members scream blue murder at them.

Someone posts saying they would like to breed their gliders even though they don't have linage ... again, masses of abuse

I post a video of somebody bathing a glider that CLEARLY doesn't want to be bathed, not to even mention the dangers of bathing, and hopefully putting people off trying this .... and the general concensus is ... yeah the gliders being bathed ... so what? (With a hint of rudeness)

Wow.

If you'll recall, Helen - I also was on your side in the cat-kibble debacle.

And people who want to breed gliders for no reason other than they have gliders will go to a special circle in hell - lineage or not. They deserve masses of abuse. But, again, other than suggesting they don't, they don't get abuse from me.

I don't see a glider that "CLEARLY doesn't want to be bathed." I see a glider that would prefer to skip this part, but, oh well, might as well get it over with.

I agree - Americans shouldn't try this. Probably not the British, either. Our approach, our philosophies, our view of pet ownership and responsible care, our perception of danger - all are very different than someone from Asian countries. I don't think someone raised in either of our countries could reproduce the care.

Valkyriemome, I know you were on my side with the kibble debate, and I'm sorry, it was Kazko's post that really pissed me off just then.

There are so many dangers with bathing, as well as a lady posting recently about her glider coming into contact with soap and dying a few hours later. It probably is just that my perception of danger is different to the person who uploaded the video, and knowing that I wonder why you were a little abrupt in saying that the video is fine.

And, at risk of going off topic, I let my gliders breed because I thought, 'the more the merrier' in regards to companionship, and as I have a cage big enough for 7 or 8 gliders, it would be nice to be able to have a family colony living together, as introductions to large groups can be tricky and yes, I would like to have the chance of seeing a joey grow up. Am I now destined for that special circle in hell?

Helen, you sure are a touchy fellow. If you are going to put yourself out there, believe that you are going to get responses. You almost come across as a touchy American. /me checks your clothing label

gliders from asian countries are also very very over weight or at least most of them are. but to them that is cute and they see nothing wrong with it even though it makes you wonder how the glider can even walk. it is possible for people in other countries to provide proper glider care for the most part. i have helped someone from the Philippines before and with a few corrections he was doing a great job with his gliders.

maybe the difference is that you posted a video from youtube from someone who doesnt know english or very little english. us saying stuff on this thread wont change anything and they did not come to the forum asking if its ok or saying OMG giving my glider a bath!! or something. youtube isnt working with me today so cant see the video. diet and breeding are always topics that get out of hand sooner or later. you shouldnt apply some people's opinion on topics to everyone who uses the forum. kazko has a very different way of looking at things but that isnt a bad thing.

For the record - the hand soap Americans use - which seems similar to the one in that video, actually - are usually both 1) liquid, and 2) "anti-bacterial." Humans have extreme allergic reactions to that stuff also. My brother almost died from it, in fact! Literally.

It is sad that the glider had such an extreme allergic reaction, and since there's no way of knowing if yours is allergic or not, I personally would recommend never using that kind of soap to bathe any pet. But, since the person in that video didn't know, and didn't stop to ask me - I'm relieved to see her glider isn't allergic.

I think Kazko is a rude human - although there are worse on this forum. He knows I think that. However, I don't think he was being rude. I think he was trying to tease you - about your extreme reaction. As in "if that's the worst you've seen...."? Make sense.

I'll keep my theories of hell to myself. But, no - I didn't mean that kind of breeding.

Why would that IDIOT do that?!!?! THEY CLEAN THEMSELVES

Seems like something the glider has definitely been through many times before, probably since he/she was a joey. My gliders would fight me endlessly...that glider wasnt biting or anything. I definitely don't agree with it, but their culture is a lot different from ours.

I didn't hear a glider in any pain and did not see one in danger... am I missing something?

also making assumptions about the type of soap being used and saying "do not use" needs a bit more of a why it shouldn't be used vs some speculation about how "one time at band camp a glider died from soap." This was obviously not the first time these gliders were bathed and nor did it seem as though this woman was ignorant of glider heath needs. She owns multiple gliders and takes the time to bathe each by hand! Thats love in my book.

I have seen many, many worse things done to animals. I know that wasn't the point, but we do tend to get overly dramatic sometimes when it comes to blurring the lines around animal abuse.

This isn't something I would do or advocate,but it obviously wasn't that glider's first bath. I thought he was very tolerant of the bath. I don't think he needed to be soaped up twice.

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<br />If that is on your list of worse things you have ever seen, then you need to get out of the house.
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Rude.
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This is definitely not the worst thing I've ever seen. Like several others have noted, the glider does not seem to be in any distress. Uncomfortable maybe, preferring to bypass the bath I'm sure, but how many animals like to be bathed? The glider was not crabbing, biting, or even fighting to get away. If she was hurting the glider I can guarantee you the glider would be letting her know.

I think the crazy amount of gliders in the cool whip container was worse than this. LOL.

While I'm not one to bathe gliders unless you have to (and believe me, I've had to, and I'm sure many others have had to as well from gliders being sick, injured, or in e-collars/jackets for some reason), this clearly isn't abusive, and doesn't seem to really distress the glider any.

While Kazko may have been a bit... overly blunt... in his reply, I have to sort of agree with him. This is in no way the worst thing that most of us have seen, and it probably doesn't even raise a hand to it.

I feel bad for the cold, wet glider, but it isn't the worst thing I've seen. The worst thing I've seen is FAR worse than this. And like everyone else said, the glider seemed uncomfortable, but not hurt. While I definitely feel bad for the little guy, I feel that he was probably wrapped up and warm afterwards (:

Kazko's post was a little . . . erm . . . straight forward, but for some reason I felt like he may have been kidding around. If it was me, I probably would've gotten irritated, but shaken it off. Life's too short to be arguing about a sugar glider bath that took place somewhere in Asia! (:

I hear no crabbing, see no obvious panic, or really panic at all.
Stop judging another culture without context- this is the standard of care there. Okay, move on. The glider looks healthy, has a great coat, NBD.

My uncle lives in Tokyo and is always offering to send collars, clothing, leashes, etc for my gliders because they're so popular in Japan. I of course said no, but how is this really all that different than the American upper classes obsession with dressing dogs in frilly non essential clothing?

Being a total newbie and "firmly" informed that gliders shouldn't be bathed, I am a bit confused now. Is it that if I start them young,they don't freak, and I am careful it is okay to give gliders baths? Or should it be done only in the extreme case i.e., injured glider? I am just asking for clarification due to my total lack of knowledge on the subject, other than one persons opinion.

For most owners there is never a need to bathe them. For some, wounds may require hydro therapy. For others, bathing is just what they want to do with their pet.

Water simply wont hurt them. They can actually swim but not for very long and believe it or not, they actually get wet in the wilds. Who knew.

But it is every pet owner's prerogative to be crazy in their own special way.

So welcome to the community Rukiya.