I can only imagine how hard it must be. So very sorry to hear the news. :(

Its ok kyro298 i was just addressing nasty judging people. So if your not one of them dont worry about it. If you dont like what i post dont read them. Im not starting drama nor continuing it. I just stated my opinion. Have a great day!

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<br />I can only imagine how hard it must be. So very sorry to hear the news. :(

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So good to see you

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<br />Its ok kyro298 i was just addressing nasty judging people. So if your not one of them dont worry about it. If you dont like what i post dont read them. Im not starting drama nor continuing it. I just stated my opinion. Have a great day!
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Not trying to step on any toes here... (Love it when people start a comment that way, figured I'd give it a shot.)
However, in my experience, people who are "not starting drama not continuing it" (I think it reads perfectly when you remember the rule of double negatives by the way.) generally do not accomplish that by posting a response on a thread a day later, after an entire page worth of comments has been added, and then calling a person out by name. Then again, this is just *my* opinion. Thanks for the well wishes, I hope you have a great day too!

Thank you everyone. This has been hard. I decided not to find out the cause of death of kadi. I looked into it and its just not really something I believe in. I think its awful to do something to a lifeless body human or animal. I do wish I knew so I could protect nibler,but its just not something I want to do. I want kadis body left as is to rest. Call me crazy if u want,but I'm pretty sure it was something that wasn't. Being passed to nibbler. Kadi had her poo checked last week and it was fine so that's enough for me. I am taking nibbler and samples of her poo and pp to get tested. I feel that's what's best and that's what matters to me.I still can't find a vet that will do a emergency visit and that does concern me. But I honestly can say in my heart I did do everything I could for kadi. I stayed up with her and held her till she took her last breath and even longer than that. No one was very rude to me on here but I didn't appreciate the comment about how I should have a vet or something. Now your lovely miss val is a real piece of work right there. She tried to break me down peice by piece and let me be the one to tell you she isn't one to go to for any help she's a hateful woman. If you don't believe me take a look at the awful trash she said to me on her site the sweet spot. She will stick a knife in your heart without knowing a thing at all. But anyways we layed kadi down to rest last night at my moms house. I put her in a satin heart box lined with a pretty blanket and in a pouch. We put flowers on her grave and a pretty light up dragon fly. Its very beautiful and ill be able to visit her anytime id like. Thank you again for the support and everyone standing up for me against some of the not so sweet things. Just know I did everything for kadi and I have and will keep doing the same for nibbler. They are my babies and they mean the world to me. I am a good person and if you knew me personally you to would know that.

Val and I may have had our personal issues, but I will be the FIRST to say that she is the one that you want on your side when you have an emergency. She does not spare your feelings because she is about the glider not you. I'm sorry if you feel that she was not your buddy on the phone, but that was not her job at that point. Saving your glider was.

Rest in peace little suggie! Im sure you did everything you could.. Again im very sorry for your loss

I'm very sorry for your loss, but you are an ungrateful little brat. I read what Val said on her site and she was 100% correct. You did not do everything you could for Kadi and you're sure as hell not doing everything you can for Nibbler. If you were, you'd get a necropsy. A clean fecal sample clearly doesn't mean crap (pardon the pun) when BOTH your gliders have/had health issues. You should be falling to your knees and thanking Val for trying HER BEST to help you instead of coming here and calling her names. I'm completely disgusted by the way you handled this entire situation and I'm disgusted by the way you're venting to Val when you have nobody to blame but the person looking at you in the mirror. Yes, I know I'm being rude, but I have more respect for Val in my little finger than I do for 90% of the entire glider community combined. And you don't believe in getting a necropsy? You don't believe in helping gliders the world over? Why do you even have them? They're clearly on inconvenience to you. Rehome Nibbler to someone who will care for him properly.

Doug...I love you. Well, said.
She was told to SHOW UP AT AN ER VET WITH THE CONSULT LIST and this is her answer.
"I still can't find a vet that will do a emergency visit and that does concern me. But I honestly can say in my heart I did do everything I could for kadi. I stayed up with her and held her till she took her last breath and even longer than that. No one was very rude to me on here but I didn't appreciate the comment about how I should have a vet or something."

Wow!

I totally agree with everything Doug has said. You did NOT do everything you could for that poor glider. Val even found 2 emergency vets for you to go to and to take the consult numbers with you and you refused. No sympathy from me for you, I feel horrible for the poor glider that died. You have been a member here for a few years now, so I am sure you knew the answer to your question "what is wrong with my glider" would be. Don't come on here bashing someone that was trying to help your dying glider. Don't try to convince people that you did everything you could, when you obviously didn't. I offer no sympathy for you, only peace for your glider.

I didn't know that part.. that a couple emergency vets were found. That changes my opinion a little bit

I know I already posted this on another thread, but felt this was worth repeating.

One thing about emergency vets - you show up with your pet and 9x out of 10 they wont turn you away as long as you make a case for yourself. Emergency people WANT to help and clinics WANT to get paid. Many of the simple things that would help stabilize a glider until a consult can be arranged via the phone they do regularly for cats/dogs. What is soooo important about 'GET TO A VET' is even if they have never seen a sugar glider before they have access to the medical resources (machines, drugs and so-on) that could save your baby. Your glider is better off with fluids, oxygen, <b>PAIN relief</b> and heat packs at a vet waiting for the Doctors to figure out what a sugar glider is, than at home where it can't receive any help. Don't call, GO!

<b>The emergency vet who saw Casey had never worked with gliders before, but they helped me anyway and I KNOW this saved Casey's life.</b> Anyone who says 'well, this is happening, but he seems ok...I can't afford a vet does he REALLY need to go in?' should not own a pet...if this was a human family member, would it even be up for discussion? You find away to make it work! Most clinics have payment plans available, I find the 'no money' excuse a little weak.

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<br />I'm very sorry for your loss, but you are an ungrateful little brat. I read what Val said on her site and she was 100% correct. You did not do everything you could for Kadi and you're sure as hell not doing everything you can for Nibbler. If you were, you'd get a necropsy. A clean fecal sample clearly doesn't mean crap (pardon the pun) when BOTH your gliders have/had health issues. You should be falling to your knees and thanking Val for trying HER BEST to help you instead of coming here and calling her names. I'm completely disgusted by the way you handled this entire situation and I'm disgusted by the way you're venting to Val when you have nobody to blame but the person looking at you in the mirror. Yes, I know I'm being rude, but I have more respect for Val in my little finger than I do for 90% of the entire glider community combined. And you don't believe in getting a necropsy? You don't believe in helping gliders the world over? Why do you even have them? They're clearly on inconvenience to you. Rehome Nibbler to someone who will care for him properly.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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<br />Doug...I love you. Well, said.
She was told to SHOW UP AT AN ER VET WITH THE CONSULT LIST and this is her answer.
"I still can't find a vet that will do a emergency visit and that does concern me. But I honestly can say in my heart I did do everything I could for kadi. I stayed up with her and held her till she took her last breath and even longer than that. No one was very rude to me on here but I didn't appreciate the comment about how I should have a vet or something."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Even though there was probably more that she could have done yelling at her now isn't helping Nibbler. To me this looks more like cyber bullying and looking down at someone while they are grieving over their glider that hasn't even been dead for a day. What makes it even worse is that this thread should be filled with nothing but compassion for the loss of life. It doesn't matter if you agree with her decisions or not. They are her decisions to make and no one has the right to judge her for them. I would think that bullying like this would be a great way to get someone banned from a forum.


To Nibbler-N-Kadis Mommy - I am so sorry for your loss. May you find peace in your heart to deal with Kadis passing.

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<br />I'm very sorry for your loss, but you are an ungrateful little brat. I read what Val said on her site and she was 100% correct. You did not do everything you could for Kadi and you're sure as hell not doing everything you can for Nibbler. If you were, you'd get a necropsy. A clean fecal sample clearly doesn't mean crap (pardon the pun) when BOTH your gliders have/had health issues. You should be falling to your knees and thanking Val for trying HER BEST to help you instead of coming here and calling her names. I'm completely disgusted by the way you handled this entire situation and I'm disgusted by the way you're venting to Val when you have nobody to blame but the person looking at you in the mirror. Yes, I know I'm being rude, but I have more respect for Val in my little finger than I do for 90% of the entire glider community combined. And you don't believe in getting a necropsy? You don't believe in helping gliders the world over? Why do you even have them? They're clearly on inconvenience to you. Rehome Nibbler to someone who will care for him properly.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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<br />Doug...I love you. Well, said.
She was told to SHOW UP AT AN ER VET WITH THE CONSULT LIST and this is her answer.
"I still can't find a vet that will do a emergency visit and that does concern me. But I honestly can say in my heart I did do everything I could for kadi. I stayed up with her and held her till she took her last breath and even longer than that. No one was very rude to me on here but I didn't appreciate the comment about how I should have a vet or something."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Even though there was probably more that she could have done yelling at her now isn't helping Nibbler. To me this looks more like cyber bullying and looking down at someone while they are grieving over their glider that hasn't even been dead for a day. What makes it even worse is that this thread should be filled with nothing but compassion for the loss of life. It doesn't matter if you agree with her decisions or not. They are her decisions to make and no one has the right to judge her for them. I would think that bullying like this would be a great way to get someone banned from a forum.


To Nibbler-N-Kadis Mommy - I am so sorry for your loss. May you find peace in your heart to deal with Kadis passing.
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Maybe you should take a look at the previous post and maybe you would understand where we are coming from on this. She also shouldn't be calling someone a hateful woman when all she was trying to do was help. This is not cyberbulling in the least, we are just expressing our feelings over the entire situation. Here is a link to the previous post:
http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42695

Awwww....you're right. We shouldn't hold people's feet to the fire when they are given every opportunity to save their glider's life because people were nice enough to find them TWO vets that would have seen Kadi and they just decided that they didn't want to go. Then they come back on and not only say that they "did everything that they could" for their glider but they trash the person who was working like a beast to help save Kadi on the forum and tell people that she is a terrible person.
We shouldn't be upset that a person who gives her time FREE and WILLINGLY was tied up talking to someone who refused to do the right thing by her glider when she could have been talking to someone who truly did need help and who would have listened.
No one is bullying her. People are upset that she wasted the valuable time of a volunteer who told her what to do and then refused the advice and then said that she did everything that she could and then talked mean about the one person who helped her.
Not a speck of sympathy. Not a speck.

I'm gonna just say it. IMO Kadi probably wouldn't have made it going to the vet anyway. I wish a necropsy had been done so she could be certain Nibbler would be okay but you have to just honor her wishes. Kadi was her glider and publicly humiliating her and all is not going to
A) bring Kadi back
B) Make her feel better.
I feel awful for her no matter what. I only pray I'd be calm enough to grab the list and get to the vet without killing myself or whoever is with me in a wreck. Okay, say she took her and they saved her. How would she pay for this emergency vet everyone was pushing for? Any of you guys gonna help? Just a question of course but one I think is warranted in this situation.

Ummmm, Lisa...that's where the preparedness comes in. You have a vet fund, a dedicated credit card...you've been here long enough to know the answer to that question.
My only issue started when she came on here and bashed Val. Up until then I figured it was her glider and hopefully OTHERS could learn from her unpreparedness. BUT...then she bashed Val. The one person that was helping her. That cuts it for me. If she had come on and said "Hey I appreciate everything everyone did for me and I had to make a hard decision" well that might have been different. But to come here and basically say that she did everything that she could for Kadi when she didn't and then bash Val....nope. That's the end of the line.

Okay all of you negitave assholes can kiss my ass I won't come to any more forums for help. Some of you guys are sick sick people.I didn't even read some of the replys. Nibbler is a girl and she will stay with me. How many of you have had yours for more than a couple years?? Hmm not very many huh? Take a look in the mirror! You think calling me a brat and that I don't care F you! And for val she sucks as much as you guys do that are on her side and I pray to god for your pets. No need for anyone to reply to me cuz I'm not coming back I have had enough and I don't deserve it. And no I don't believe in sending kadi off in the mail to be cut up andloked at. And for the last da.n time there is not a 911 vet in my area so get off that bs I tried. So congratulations y'all have ran me off this site is supposed to be for help and love when needed but guess I came to the wrong place