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  |  Lauryn259
Joey
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May 08 2012 : 05:56:36 PM   |
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I had two sugar gliders, but one passed away. So, I decided to get the other one some friends. Well, I found a great deal for two un-neutered sugar gliders (both males) and I was wondering if during the introduction process will they gang up on him? Mine is neutered and two years old. The new ones I might get are two and three and not neutered. Also the one i have now was in the cage with the one that passes away of sickness, will he get it too? Should I take all 3 to the vet before I put them together or just one?
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
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May 08 2012 : 06:08:28 PM   |
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Yes, all 3 should be taken to the vet. I would have a necropsy done on the one who died to determine the cause and get the one who survived to the vet as well to ensure he's OK.
The new 2 gliders should be kept in a separate room away from your current glider for 30 days. They should be neutered during this time - chances are 2 intact males won't get along and introducing a 3rd male(even if neutered) will not go well at all. After 30 days, have another fecal done and then you can begin the process of introductions.
Lucky Glider has a great introduction primer to read - I recommend introducing them one on one AFTER QUARANTINE so that there is no ganging up, but their primer is great!
Also, please start an emergency vet fund so that your gliders don't have to suffer because you can't afford a vet. Gliders are exotics and nocturnal - the means vet care is likely going to be needed at night and you don't have long to wait and see if they get better because they won't.
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 | Lauryn259
Joey
44 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:17:22 PM |
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the one i have now isn't sick at all.
How much about would all that vet stuff be for each one?
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| Lauryn259
Joey
44 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:20:10 PM |
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the 2 intact males have been together for 2 year and have been fine though..
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1500 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:21:25 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
<br />the one i have now isn't sick at all.
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You don't know if he is sick or not - you didn't know your current glider had a problem until you found him dying at the bottom of the cage and he passed away hours later. You need to know the cause.
You also don't know if the new gliders(or your current one) are harboring parasites - they often bloom during stress(loss of a cage mate, moving to a new home, etc.), which is why quarantine MUST be done.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
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How much about would all that vet stuff be for each one?
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It depends...
I could tell you this if you would be willing to let me know where you are - I have called over 30 vets in the state of VA and some in MD and WV and have all that info in a spreadsheet.
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| Lauryn259
Joey
44 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:22:31 PM |
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the one who passed away we burried. he passes away 2 days ago, and got sick 3 days ago..... :(
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| sierranevadaK
Face Hugger
USA
796 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:23:45 PM |
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That's not a good idea. Your two intact males would most likely try to fight the one you already have.
I thought that you didn't have enough money for a vet bill to save your dying glider? Then you bought two more? I'm just curious of how this happened.
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| sierranevadaK
Face Hugger
USA
796 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:25:31 PM |
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And your two intact males have been fine together for two years because they were probably intro'd at a young age. They could be brothers.
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| Lauryn259
Joey
44 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:25:43 PM |
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ok. so the two intact ones might fight? they never have before. for 2 years
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| sierranevadaK
Face Hugger
USA
796 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:29:09 PM |
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No, the two intact ones will try to fight the one that you already have. You'd have to be super careful with intros.
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1500 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:30:32 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
<br />ok. so the two intact ones might fight? they never have before. for 2 years
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Yes, they could. some people have 2 intact males together long-term, but often times something will set them off and they can do a lot of damage to each other in an instant. Its just not worth the risk of having 2 intact males together and definitely not going to work with introducing another glider.
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| sillydasha
Joey
 NY, USA
46 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:31:43 PM |
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Well, since you couldn't afford to take your late sugar glider to the vet (or whatever your reasoning was) I don't see how buying two intact males would be a bright idea. I suggest that you stop and THINK about what you're about to do.
Instead of bringing two more animals into your life, you should probably take a step back and evaluate if the glider you currently have is being cared for properly.
Just out of curiosity - What do you feed your current sugar glider? And where are you finding this "great deal" on two intact males?
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| Lauryn259
Joey
44 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:33:01 PM |
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ok, I had 2 gliders.. one passed away of unknown causes and i had one more that was now lonley. I told my friends and family and one of my friends have 2 intact males that she would give me them and cage and everything for free.
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| sierranevadaK
Face Hugger
USA
796 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:36:57 PM |
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If you didn't have money to pay for a vet for one . . . then how do you have money to pay for 3 gliders? They'll all need to see a vet.
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1500 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:37:46 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
<br />ok, I had 2 gliders.. one passed away of unknown causes and i had one more that was now lonley. I told my friends and family and one of my friends have 2 intact males that she would give me them and cage and everything for free.
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Free animals are never free - vet checks are minimum $25 and up to $105(depends on where you are), fecals are $20-$45(depends where you are),, neutering is $85 to $450+(again depending on where you are).
Then you add in the cost of possible emergency care for THREE gliders versus 1 - easily $300+
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| Lauryn259
Joey
44 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:43:22 PM |
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I do have the money for a vet. He was already to sick.
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| sierranevadaK
Face Hugger
USA
796 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:46:06 PM |
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I remember you telling others that you couldn't afford the vet.
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1500 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:51:53 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
<br />I do have the money for a vet. He was already to sick.
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That is NOT what you told us in chat. You told us there was no vet around you and when I offered several options, you said you did NOT have money for the vet and wanted to treat him at home. I also offered to help you find a rescuer to take him as I know several within the state and you declined.
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| JazzNZoeysmom
Zippy Glidershorts
USA
5349 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:52:12 PM |
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You need to understand that while gliders are colony animals and enjoy eachothers company, they are also territorial.
Bringing a male into an existing colony....chances are they are going to see him as an intruder and could very well kill him. Granted that's the extreme end of the spectrum but it is a possibility.
I'd use extreme caution and do intros one on one.
Good Luck.
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| sillydasha
Joey
NY, USA
46 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:55:22 PM |
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So in other words you thought he was too sick for the vet bill to be worth it?
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| Lauryn259
Joey
44 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 06:59:52 PM |
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Im not sure why you keep saying I could not afford a vet. It was my parents choice they had a friend whom has several gliders and they have had the same syptoms which mine was having. They listen to what he said to do to nurse the gliders back to good health. But with mine it was to late. I am a new glider owner and take good care of my my gliders other animals also. I have never had a issue such as this but now will know next time, I do not need to hear how I neglected my glider the loss of a pet is hard enough!
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1500 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 07:03:19 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
<br />Im not sure why you keep saying I could not afford a vet. It was my parents choice they had a friend whom has several gliders and they have had the same syptoms which mine was having. They listen to what he said to do to nurse the gliders back to good health. But with mine it was to late. I am a new glider owner and take good care of my my gliders other animals also. I have never had a issue such as this but now will know next time, I do not need to hear how I neglected my glider the loss of a pet is hard enough!
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So are your parents going to pay for exams, urinalysis and fecals on all three gliders - twice? Are they going to pay upwards of $300 for neuters of the new ones? If your glider has a problem in the middle of the night, are they going to trust the vet's opinion over the friend?
In my opinion, if you are not on your own yet, the responsible thing is to NOT get more gliders as your parents are not willing to get emergency care and you are not able to do it without their help. Its not fair to the glider to put them into that situation knowing they won't get medical help when needed.
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| TheHomermomma
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1328 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 07:59:18 PM |
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You really need to keep your lies straight. You told us in chat that there were "no vets" in your area. I told you that it didn't have to be an exotic vet...just an emergency vet. You said that there weren't any emergency vets in your area. When Sara found you some you said that you were looking for home remedies. We told you that there weren't any and you said that you <b>COULDN'T AFFORD A VET!</b> I told you that you needed to make arrangements and get him to a vet and that he would not make it to the morning. You said that wasn't going to happen that you had a friend that had gliders that acted the same way and that they were fine. I asked you if you were going to take him to the vet and you said no you were going to take care of him at home. I wished you luck.
Sara tried very hard to help you and find you a way to get vet care so that he would not die and you were snotty and rude to her. I'm sorry but I have no sympathy. The whole "I do not need to hear how I neglected my glider the loss of a pet is hard enough!" doesn't fly with me. You DID neglect your glider and you weren't the one that suffered and died...your glider did. If you didn't have another glider I wouldn't even bother responding to you, however not only have you not taken the glider you have left to the vet to make sure that what killed your other one isn't effecting him, you are talking about adding gliders! You don't/can't/aren't willing to take the ones that you have to the vet when needed and yet you want more?
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| KritterCare
Face Hugger
USA
633 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 08:14:17 PM |
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Ok, usually I do my best to stay out of the drama posts, but I'm going to have to agree with everyone on this one. Granted, I was not there in chat the night this happened, but from what everyone has said, they did try to help you and you refused to help your glider. Taking him to the vet, even if it was just for some fluids, could have pulled him through the night until a knowledgable vet was found and contacted. Even if you thought that your glider had the same thing that your friends gliders pulled though, the job of a pet owner is to do anything and everything to help their pet when they are in need. Refusing to do so is, for lack of better termonology, is sheer neglect.
You are also still refusing to take your current glider to the vet, even though he could very well be in the beginning stages of what killed your previous glider.
If you are claiming that you cannot take them due to financial issues, then I stongly suggest not bringing more gliders into your home and perhaps consider rehoming your current glider to someone who has the ability to care for him properly.
However, people are going to do what they want to do, regardless of what others say. So to answer your question... Two unneutered males will most likely gang up on, attack, and possibly kill your current glider if you do not neuter the two new males prior to introductions. You would also need to take all of them to the vet first to make sure that they aren't harboring any parasites/diseases that could be passed to the others.
It was also pointed out on your other thread that the cage you have looks to be a PP cage, which the old ones have proven to be toxic, which very well might be the cause of your gliders death. I suggest you look into getting a new cage if you plan to continue glider ownership. Good luck to your glider, and that is all I have to say on this.
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| lancegtx
Glider
155 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 10:14:28 PM |
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Wow such drama!.. lol
Seriously tho OP I would really doubt the two un-altered males would ever take him in unless they were both neutered, and then at that point your still rolling the dice (and spending more than you would on a lone female.) I would leave those two alone as long as they are healthy and happy. You should look for a lone female or a neutered male to try to pair your little guy with. But thats ONLY if you are willing to make a few vet visits to get them both checked out!
Now with all that being said, if you cannot provide a proper cage mate and proper vetrinary care for them your should seriously think about re-homing your little guy to someone who can properly care for him.
Best wishes go out to you though, good luck!
Edited by - lancegtx on May 08 2012 10:19:06 PM
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| JeremyLexie
Fuzzy Wuzzy
USA
1190 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 10:31:03 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
<br />Im not sure why you keep saying I could not afford a vet. It was my parents choice they had a friend whom has several gliders and they have had the same syptoms which mine was having. They listen to what he said to do to nurse the gliders back to good health. But with mine it was to late. I am a new glider owner and take good care of my my gliders other animals also. I have never had a issue such as this but now will know next time, I do not need to hear how I neglected my glider the loss of a pet is hard enough!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I think what everyone is saying is you might not have loss the other one if you have sought medical advice and not listened to a "friend"
If your parents are willing to spend the money on vet bills please rehome to somebody who will.
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| StellaAnLuna
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1063 Posts
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May 08 2012 : 10:31:21 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lauryn259</i>
<br />I do have the money for a vet. <b>He was already to sick.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Hon, lieing is not going to get you no were. I think you should rehome you'r glider to somebody that CAN care for him properal, and give him vet care when he needs it. If you can't afored the the vet care for the 2 you already had, how on earth are you going to affored 3 vet bills?
An that statement "He was already too sick" really makes me mad. Even if he was already to sick, you could've at least took him to the vet to TRY and save him, even if he did'nt make it, he would have passed knowing you tried and loved him. Im pretty sure you would not make a statement "he was already too sick" if that was one of your HUMAN family members, would you? I belive NOT.
~Erica~
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| sugie bandit
Super Glider
252 Posts
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May 09 2012 : 09:58:29 AM |
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tsk tsk...what a mess.
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| sierranevadaK
Face Hugger
USA
796 Posts
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May 09 2012 : 10:00:06 AM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by sugie bandit</i>
<br />tsk tsk...what a mess.
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Yes, quite a mess. And Lauryn, I posted on your "dehydration" thread. Read what I posted, please. It's about what could've caused the death of your glider.
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| kyro298
Glider Sprinkles
CO, USA
15262 Posts
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May 09 2012 : 10:34:56 PM |
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Wait a minute, when did you get the female you are now wanting to breed with these two new intact males? If you cannot afford a vet, what are you going to do when your female has more males? Dads will mate with daughters and sons with moms. Inevitably, you will have a much larger vet bill when you have to neuter all these males.
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