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  |  Lilly
Glider
  USA
129 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 02:26:46 PM   |
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So i got my girl from this breeder and im getting a friend from them. I was deciding girl or boy and im choosing the boy. (i have atleast 3 months for ordering rejection kits and more research) The boy that i was going to get, is half related to my girl. Same mom different dads. Is that going to mess up the babies?
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 | renee14150
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1832 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 02:41:30 PM  |
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It certanly could. I would not breed gliders that are related.
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
 1500 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 02:42:57 PM  |
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Yes! That is half siblings and WAY to close to be bred...
I would also question the breeder why a different male was bred to the mom - gliders can hold embryos in stasis for up to a year, so if she decided to re-pair her with another male, they could actually be full siblings instead of half siblings...either way is NOT ok to breed.
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| JazzNZoeysmom
Zippy Glidershorts
 USA
5349 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 02:43:58 PM |
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I think it possibly could...I believe that is too close. I believe you would want to go 2-3 generations out to be on the safe side.
I'm no breeder but I know that is what the Coi is...breeders do some calculating of lineage to make sure the gliders they want to breed aren't too closely related.
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| valkyriemome
Goofy Gorillatoes
USA
3478 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 02:51:09 PM |
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Pretty much horrible!
These gliders should NOT be bred!
Would you "mate" with your half-brother?
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| StellaAnLuna
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1063 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 03:48:29 PM |
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Don't breed them!
~Erica~
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| fox0r
Face Hugger
USA
496 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 04:01:52 PM |
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Yeah, this is not a good breeding pairing.
Does the breeder you're getting him from know you intend to breed him to his half-sister? I can't imagine any reputable breeder being okay with that...
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| CountrynCrafty
Face Hugger
USA
427 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 06:06:17 PM |
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Troll? I mean seriously who would ask this question?
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| Helen88uk
Fuzzy Wuzzy
United Kingdom
1436 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 06:12:26 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by CountrynCrafty</i>
<br />Troll? I mean seriously who would ask this question?
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Abit harsh lol, I bet it was written without thinking about properly.
To the OP, no, they can't be allowed to breed as they are directly related (coming from the same mum). The breeder should NOT be sellign you related gliders to breed from yourself, however, i'm guessing your female is probably a joey and I'm wondering whether your breeder actually realises you are wanting a 'friend' to breed her with rather than just a cagemate.
Even if it takes 3 months for you to get this male, chances are your female won't be a year old by then. It's highly advised NOT to breed females less than a year old. The chance of rejection for first time females is higher than we all like to imagine, add extra risks such as the female being too young makes it likely that the joeys will not make it.
If you are wanting a friend for your girl then take this male but have him neutered. Once your female is over a year old and you've had chance to fully learn about them THEN think about adding an intact male to the pair. Hope this helps x
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| Lilly
Glider
USA
129 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 06:59:51 PM |
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My girl is 8 m0nths, and i was going to get her a cagemate. I went over to the breeder to look at them, and was thinking about getting a male, that would be ready in 2 months. They knew I wanted to breed, and said it would be fine with different dads. So i wanted to get a male, breed them, have a little family, and then nueter all the males. I just wasnt sure. They have different dads because i guess the breeders dog knocked over the cages and got a couple including Mitzis dad, he didnt intentionally do it.
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1500 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 07:05:32 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lilly</i>
<br />My girl is 8 m0nths, and i was going to get her a cagemate. I went over to the breeder to look at them, and was thinking about getting a male, that would be ready in 2 months. They knew I wanted to breed, and said it would be fine with different dads. So i wanted to get a male, breed them, have a little family, and then nueter all the males. I just wasnt sure. They have different dads because i guess the breeders dog knocked over the cages and got a couple including Mitzis dad, he didnt intentionally do it.
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If the breeder thinks its OK to breed half siblings, I would find another breeder to purchase from. There are so many gliders out there to pick from - purposefully breeding 2 half-siblings is...just not a good idea and the breeder should never advise you to do that. Do they keep lineage on their gliders?
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| JazzNZoeysmom
Zippy Glidershorts
USA
5349 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 07:07:13 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lilly</i>
<br />My girl is 8 m0nths, and i was going to get her a cagemate. I went over to the breeder to look at them, and was thinking about getting a male, that would be ready in 2 months. They knew I wanted to breed, and said it would be fine with different dads. So i wanted to get a male, breed them, have a little family, and then nueter all the males. I just wasnt sure. They have different dads because i guess the breeders dog knocked over the cages and got a couple including Mitzis dad, he didnt intentionally do it.
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Well, again...it's not a good idea....and quite honestly I would be concerned about the joeys this person is selling. If the breeder sees nothing wrong with this practice, odds are the gliders he/she breeds are inbred. They don't always show signs of this right away but down the line the inbred gliders can have multiple medical problems. Many people post about their babies going into seizures out of the blue.... odds are, they were imbred.
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| lilangels
Super Glider
315 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 08:34:27 PM |
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You really should look for a different breeder. Inbred joeys may survive but they have syuch a high chance of having stuff wrong with them. You may not see it now but your glider may only live a few years and die because it was inbred. I would absolutely not even consider breeding half siblings. Chances are your joeys will be eaten or born missing parts and not surviving. Just not worth all the risks when you can go find a healthy male that is in no way related to your female.
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| fox0r
Face Hugger
USA
496 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 09:14:39 PM |
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I agree.. shop elsewhere!
Who is this breeder?
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| valkyriemome
Goofy Gorillatoes
USA
3478 Posts
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May 29 2012 : 09:17:25 PM |
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Who is this breeder!
That's pretty frightening!
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| fox0r
Face Hugger
USA
496 Posts
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May 30 2012 : 11:14:45 AM |
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Lilly, can you tell us who this breeder is?
And not to rain on your parade, but if you're really as young as what your profile says you are... I would hold off on breeding until you're a legal adult and have a job. Breeding can become very expensive very fast, and there is the whole contract side of things, too.
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| stefaniey86
Super Glider
USA
274 Posts
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May 30 2012 : 12:50:14 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by valkyriemome</i>
<br />Who is this breeder!
That's pretty frightening!
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Agree this is very frightening
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| valkyriemome
Goofy Gorillatoes
USA
3478 Posts
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May 30 2012 : 02:23:02 PM |
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I have to agree with Fox. You are really too young to consider breeding. It is expensive, and it also can require 24/7 attention from you for days or weeks at a time. If you have a rejected joey, for example, you would have to feed that joey every 3 hours around the clock.
I've seen time and time again where there is a glider emergency in the night, and the glider owner cannot drive, and cannot find transportation. Your parents may say they'll drive you, but I've been on here at 2am with a kid who was watching his glider die because his mom said to wait until morning. She said she'd drive him, too - in the morning. The glider died.
Do your parents know that glider care can cost hundreds, and even thousands of dollars? Are they prepared for that kind of emergency? The risk of emergencies is just compounded when you add in breeding.
Your glider DOES need a friend, and it is fantastic that you are considering a friend. In my opinion, I do not think you should be even thinking about getting another glider AND breeding them, at this time.
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| Lilly
Glider
USA
129 Posts
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May 30 2012 : 10:36:34 PM |
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I talked to the breeder about this, and cleared it up. I was there and was looking at mitzis sisters. While I was pondering the idea of a male, he grabbed it out of a different box in the cage next to mitzis parents that I didn't see. I knew they had different dads but thought the mom was same.I also didn't realize it was much smaller and younger looking then her sisters until I thought about it. I dont think he knew iI thought they were related when i asked about breeding. Obviously it had different parents. I had it all wrong, sorry guys. I was not purposely causing this commotion, or the breeders bad reputation. About the breeding. Im prepared for rejection. Im ordering wombaroo milk replacer, colostrum, and pedialyte. I have recipes for formulas, feeding schedules according to age, weaning information, "incubator" directions, ect. I have experience with every 2-3 hour feedings with baby rats, sheep, and rabbits ( not as often for sheep and rabbits). I am homeschooled, and stay up with my girl until 2-4 in the morning, depending on when she wakes up. Sometimes she wakes up at 5 and im up all night. I appreciate all your input but I think im doing just fine. And again, sorry about the breeder confusion.
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| fox0r
Face Hugger
USA
496 Posts
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May 30 2012 : 10:45:52 PM |
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Are all of these gliders kept in the same cage? I noticed you said "different box" but not "different cage" so it is making me wonder. If there are several gliders in the same cage.. .and none of the males are altered, there is no way to know who is the father to what.
Are your parents willing to fork out cash for potentially expensive bet bills? Are they willing to drive you to the emergency vet at the wee hours of the morning? Are you ready for the heart break from the joey you just couldn't save, or the joey that didn't make it, or the cannibalized joey?
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| valkyriemome
Goofy Gorillatoes
USA
3478 Posts
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May 30 2012 : 11:02:49 PM |
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Could you please say who the breeder is?
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| petluv15
Fuzzy Wuzzy
1500 Posts
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May 30 2012 : 11:03:11 PM |
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lilly</i>
<br />I talked to the breeder about this, and cleared it up. I was there and was looking at mitzis sisters. While I was pondering the idea of a male, he grabbed it out of a different box in the cage next to mitzis parents that I didn't see. I knew they had different dads but thought the mom was same.I also didn't realize it was much smaller and younger looking then her sisters until I thought about it. I dont think he knew iI thought they were related when i asked about breeding. Obviously it had different parents. I had it all wrong, sorry guys. I was not purposely causing this commotion, or the breeders bad reputation. About the breeding. Im prepared for rejection. Im ordering wombaroo milk replacer, colostrum, and pedialyte. I have recipes for formulas, feeding schedules according to age, weaning information, "incubator" directions, ect. I have experience with every 2-3 hour feedings with baby rats, sheep, and rabbits ( not as often for sheep and rabbits). I am homeschooled, and stay up with my girl until 2-4 in the morning, depending on when she wakes up. Sometimes she wakes up at 5 and im up all night. I appreciate all your input but I think im doing just fine. And again, sorry about the breeder confusion.
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So the breeder didn't say the things you mentioned before - Mitzi's dad dying and getting a new mate? That its OK to breed closely related gliders if the dad is different? I'm sorry, I just don't buy it...does this breeder keep lineage on their gliders so that you know they are not related for MANY generations?
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| Lilly
Glider
USA
129 Posts
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May 31 2012 : 02:11:55 PM |
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Ok, so i got Mitzi in December, her moms name is willow and i dont know her dads. A couple months later I talked to the breeder about getting another one, and i was going to wait untill willow had babies again. He said his dog had knocked over some cages and got a couple gliders, including mitzis dad (Ive met his dog, that was legitamate). He said that i could buy willow, instead. About 1 day before I was going to get her, he found out she was already pregnant. So, again I was going to wait for babies. A couple days ago I went to look at Mitzis younger sisters, he said theyd be ready in about 4-5 weeks. He had multiple cages, and grabbed about 3 babies out of Willows nest box. I was saying how cute they are, and they asked if I wanted a male. He took the babies I had and put them back. I turned to talk to my mom and when i turned back he handed me a male, and said it would be ready in about 7 weeks. I thought it was from the same nest box. I knew it was younger, and I knew mitzis dad was already dead. So i thought he bred willow with a different male while she was still nursing the original babies. It made sense because i think ive heard of that done before. Because I also thought willow was his only breeding female. When I asked if thatd be okay to breed them together, he didnt know I thought they were related. But, he had more cages, with more nest boxes, and different babies. He actually grabbed a male from a different nest box, that was totally unrelated. It was just one big misunderstanding. Hes not a bad breeder, he didnt tell me it would be fine for relatives to mate. His name is stevie in manitowoc.
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