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Jun 13 2012
08:43:06 AM
Hey guys it's been a while since I've been on here. My sugar glider Button, the super mommy is unfortuneatley passing away. Right now she is either getting worse or better. She is sleeping with her family (all 5) and here's the short version of the story: family member wakes me up saying I think ur sugar glider is dead,I run to the cage and she is on the floor, once she is picked up she is cold, so I warm her up with my hot hands, I spoon Feed her water, and she won't eat yet she bites and nibbles on my finger. I frantic around but advise myself to stay calm, hold her close and then let her lay on my bed for a while, then I said my goodbyes just incase and let her snuggle up with her family <3 when I put her in there she was cuddled and licked by her family and now I check on her every 15 minutes and she's been fine :) she even moved her head around when I lifted the blanket. Yesterday I took her out like usual to school but I showed her off a lot so she prolly was tired last night and she was kept up by her family... Her left eye is kinda messed up bc I think she must have been sleepy last night and her depth perception was off and maybe fell and stayed there and that's when my family member found her. She is my favorite and most precious and always been a petite glider and it would be so sad if I check and she wasn't "there" :( So yeah just wanted to say what was going on... Any advice? Thanks - Jade
P.s. her diet is the BML so she is getting a good diet :) and it has been since a year ago when I got her
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Jun 13 2012
08:48:18 AM
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Take her to the vet ASAP!
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Jun 13 2012
08:54:45 AM
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Sorry to hear she's not doing well. How old is Button? Have to ask, why did you take her to school if she wasn't doing well?
Have you gone to the vet? It may be "her time" to see a vet.
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Jun 13 2012
09:06:04 AM
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MamaBird</i>
<br />Sorry to hear she's not doing well. How old is Button? Have to ask, why did you take her to school if she wasn't doing well?
Have you gone to the vet? It may be "her time" to see a vet.
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She's approximately 4 years old, she was doing fine yesterday when I took her, it was just last night she was acting a lil strange and yeah I figured the vet would be the best option but right now I'm broke and like if this happened 2 weeks ago I would be able to but unfortuneatley I can't . Thanks btw I mean I'm pretty sure so far she is doing better but I meant like anything I could do furthermore at home?
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Jun 13 2012
09:14:11 AM
SugarCookie Glider Visit SugarCookie's Photo Album MD, USA 133 Posts
Aww guys it happened :( Button is somewhere over the rainbow right now.. Thanks for everything anyways
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Jun 13 2012
09:37:15 AM
DoubleBogey Fuzzy Wuzzy Visit DoubleBogey's Photo Album USA 1244 Posts
I am sorry to hear that Button passed. Very sorry. I would like to encourage you to do the following from here....

1) I would encourage you to talk to your vet about a Care Credit account. You would be surprised how much that can help when you are short on cash for a vet visit.
2) In the meanwhile, I would also start an emergency vet fund in her honor for your other gliders so that they will have a chance if they are sick.
3) Another thing that I would suggest is to build a good relationship with your vet so that they might consider payment arrangements for you in an emergency. This is one of the reasons I suggest seeing your vet at a minimum for regular fecals - it helps you know a status and potentially head off any issues but it also affords you the opportunity to establish a relationship with your vet for times like these.
4) Try to get your gliders in twice a year (see above) to keep a close eye on fecal s/UA status. It is not expensive.

AND most importantly for RIGHT now...

5) Please pull together the funds and have your other gliders checked out - at a minimum for fecals/UA so that if there was something contagious..you can treat your other gliders accordingly.

Again, I am so sorry that Button passed, tragic really for her to pass so young. 4 years old is just not an old glider in the spectrum of a potential 15 year lifespan. It was certainly not "her time" unless there was something from birth, etc.
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Jun 13 2012
10:35:38 AM
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by DoubleBogey</i>
<br />I am sorry to hear that Button passed. Very sorry. I would like to encourage you to do the following from here....

1) I would encourage you to talk to your vet about a Care Credit account. You would be surprised how much that can help when you are short on cash for a vet visit.
2) In the meanwhile, I would also start an emergency vet fund in her honor for your other gliders so that they will have a chance if they are sick.
3) Another thing that I would suggest is to build a good relationship with your vet so that they might consider payment arrangements for you in an emergency. This is one of the reasons I suggest seeing your vet at a minimum for regular fecals - it helps you know a status and potentially head off any issues but it also affords you the opportunity to establish a relationship with your vet for times like these.
4) Try to get your gliders in twice a year (see above) to keep a close eye on fecal s/UA status. It is not expensive.

AND most importantly for RIGHT now...

5) Please pull together the funds and have your other gliders checked out - at a minimum for fecals/UA so that if there was something contagious..you can treat your other gliders accordingly.

Again, I am so sorry that Button passed, tragic really for her to pass so young. 4 years old is just not an old glider in the spectrum of a potential 15 year lifespan. It was certainly not "her time" unless there was something from birth, etc.
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Thank you and those r good ideas, I know she wasn't old, I knew she was young that's why I was so sad, when I said "her time" I meant she was dying
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Jun 13 2012
10:38:41 AM
SugarCookie Glider Visit SugarCookie's Photo Album MD, USA 133 Posts
I didn't even say "her time" I said "the time" so yeah
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Jun 13 2012
10:48:25 AM
DoubleBogey Fuzzy Wuzzy Visit DoubleBogey's Photo Album USA 1244 Posts
I was not being "nasty or hurtful" by saying "her time" and I apologize if it appeared that way. I am not trying to make the situation worse for you. I realize that it is a sensitive time and perhaps you are a bit on edge.

Had she been sick in the past or shown any symptoms of illness?

One more thing for me to throw out there for you - there are some programs (someone will have to help me with links) where people in the same situation can apply for emergency funds for sick gliders. You never know if that will help in the future but a nice option to have.

Edited by - DoubleBogey on Jun 13 2012 10:50:27 AM
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Jun 13 2012
11:26:30 AM
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So very sorry for your loss. Huge hugs. You really should consider Care Credit though. It comes in handy in instances such as this.Button, glide free little angel.
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Jun 13 2012
11:41:45 AM
valkyriemome Goofy Gorillatoes Visit valkyriemome's Photo Album USA 3479 Posts
Why did you just let her die without trying to save her? You didn't even try!
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Jun 13 2012
11:43:48 AM
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So sorry for you loss. Glide free little Button.
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Jun 13 2012
11:45:43 AM
DoubleBogey Fuzzy Wuzzy Visit DoubleBogey's Photo Album USA 1244 Posts
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SugarCookie</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MamaBird</i>
<br />Sorry to hear she's not doing well. How old is Button? Have to ask, why did you take her to school if she wasn't doing well?
Have you gone to the vet? It may be "her time" to see a vet.
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She's approximately 4 years old, she was doing fine yesterday when I took her, it was just last night she was acting a lil strange and <b>yeah I figured the vet would be the best option but right now I'm broke and like if this happened 2 weeks ago I would be able to but unfortuneatley I can't .</b> Thanks btw I mean I'm pretty sure so far she is doing better but I meant like anything I could do furthermore at home?
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For Alden - it appears money was the issue.
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Jun 13 2012
11:53:28 AM
Omis n Kais g-ma Pouch Protector Visit Omis n Kais g-ma's Photo Album TX, USA 7524 Posts
Sometimes there is just nothing you can do though. I wouldn't assume anything at this point. My daughter had a hamster die last week. She was really sick and I wanted to take her to the vet but she was 2 1/2 years old and that's the life expectancy for them. I could have taken her but for what? For them to tell me she was dying of old age? I'm sorry Kim, I tend to lean towards soothing a broken heart. Unless she comes right out and says she didn't take her because she didn't have money. And for the OP, please apply for the Care Credit now. You want it before you 'need' it. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by DoubleBogey</i>
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<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MamaBird</i>
<br />Sorry to hear she's not doing well. How old is Button? Have to ask, why did you take her to school if she wasn't doing well?
Have you gone to the vet? It may be "her time" to see a vet.
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She's approximately 4 years old, she was doing fine yesterday when I took her, it was just last night she was acting a lil strange and <b>yeah I figured the vet would be the best option but right now I'm broke and like if this happened 2 weeks ago I would be able to but unfortuneatley I can't .</b> Thanks btw I mean I'm pretty sure so far she is doing better but I meant like anything I could do furthermore at home?
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For Alden - it appears money was the issue.
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Jun 13 2012
12:48:48 PM
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Omis - I am confused why you are apologizing to me. I simply copy and pasted what the OP posted about not having money. She literally TYPED that, so I shared that with Alden. I didn't add any words or say anything nasty and she DID come right out and say that it was about money. Have you read the posts?

As for soothing a broken heart, I believe I responded very nicely to clear up any of her confusion on my response. To be frank though, I am considerate of anyone's feelings after the loss of a glider, but I am first and foremost concerned about any other issues that could befall the remaining gliders...hence why I am advising on diagnostic care to eliminate risk for those surviving gliders and how to manage the financial side of that situation. It might sound brash that I care more about those gliders and their well being than I do someone's feelings - but if her others gliders get sick and die too, it will be MUCH worse for her emotions then, don't you agree?

On the note of money - I have had a pet sick in the past that needed vet care when funds were tight. I'd like to say that there was ALWAYS a massive surplus of vet care funding - but that's not always the case. With that said though, I have never had an animal not receive the care they needed because I did leverage additional and creative resources (credit card, transferring funds, payment arrangements, paying a mortgage late or in the grace period, and many more ideas I could throw out there). This is one of the reasons that I listed 5 recommendations to help her in the future with her vet costs if money is tight again. I know the feeling of dread when you have to consider a lack of funds. Getting creative and leveraging as many resources as you can (preferably in advance) is the smartest thing you can do to ensure your pet gets the care they need. I literally posted those suggestions to help her in the future not sure how this was bad.

With all of that said, I absolutely do NOT need to be reprimanded for a helpful post. Period.

Edited by - DoubleBogey on Jun 13 2012 12:51:17 PM
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Jun 13 2012
12:58:49 PM
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[quote]<i>Originally posted by Omis n Kais g-ma</i>
<br />Sometimes there is just nothing you can do though. I wouldn't assume anything at this point. My daughter had a hamster die last week. She was really sick and I wanted to take her to the vet but she was 2 1/2 years old and that's the life expectancy for them. I could have taken her but for what? For them to tell me she was dying of old age? I'm sorry Kim, I tend to lean towards soothing a broken heart. Unless she comes right out and says she didn't take her because she didn't have money. And for the OP, please apply for the Care Credit now. You want it before you 'need' it. [quote]

There is a difference between a 2 1/2 year old hamster and a 4 year old glider - a 4 year old glider is not in any way considered a senior. And the OP did say she didn't take her in due to money. There are options - care credit, rescues, posting here at the first sign(as we have seen before, sometimes the community steps up and is able to help), etc.

At the very least, you can take the animal in to be euthanized rather than "just let it die"...I'm not saying you have to pay for cancer treatment or surgery, but the animal deserves a painless, humane death rather than a drawn out suffering.
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Jun 13 2012
01:32:51 PM
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SugarCookie</i>
<br />Hey guys it's been a while since I've been on here. My sugar glider Button, the super mommy is unfortuneatley passing away. Right now she is either getting worse or better. She is sleeping with her family (all 5) and here's the short version of the story: family member wakes me up saying I think ur sugar glider is dead,I run to the cage and she is on the floor, once she is picked up she is cold, so I warm her up with my hot hands, I spoon Feed her water, and she won't eat yet she bites and nibbles on my finger. I frantic around but advise myself to stay calm, hold her close and then let her lay on my bed for a while, then I said my goodbyes just incase and let her snuggle up with her family <3 when I put her in there she was cuddled and licked by her family and now I check on her every 15 minutes and she's been fine :) she even moved her head around when I lifted the blanket. Yesterday I took her out like usual to school but I showed her off a lot so she prolly was tired last night and she was kept up by her family... Her left eye is kinda messed up bc I think she must have been sleepy last night and her depth perception was off and maybe fell and stayed there and that's when my family member found her. She is my favorite and most precious and always been a petite glider and it would be so sad if I check and she wasn't "there" :( So yeah just wanted to say what was going on... Any advice? Thanks - Jade
P.s. her diet is the BML so she is getting a good diet :) and it has been since a year ago when I got her
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If her left eye was kinda messed up, there could have been a reason for it (i.e. an abscess, etc.). Also, you put her back in with the other gliders, which if there is something transmissible, then your other gliders are now at risk. At a minimum, you should take your other gliders in for a wellness check, fecals, etc., to make sure they are all healthy.

I totally agree with DoubleBogey on this one...she gave her some great advice in a very nice manner. She was not at all nasty or negative.

Another point to be made...like others have said, a 4 year old glider is not old. Even if the glider was old, doesn't mean the glider doesn't deserve vet treatment. I have a 16 year old dog...she is old, but if she was acting strange, I wouldn't just say, "Oh, it's just her time"...I would take her to the vet to see if there was anything that they could do for her. My other dog is probably going to have to have neck surgery (which is going to be expensive), but I will find a way to pay for it. Point is...when there is a will, there is a way.
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Jun 13 2012
04:13:56 PM
SugarCookie Glider Visit SugarCookie's Photo Album MD, USA 133 Posts
Thanks everyone and for the person who said I didn't even try helping, I'm sorry I didn't have the money and I made sure she wasn't dehydrated and I'm
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Jun 13 2012
04:16:44 PM
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Only 13 and I couldn't drive and pull out a credit card and I couldn't get my dad the only one who supports me to go off work with no money to go to the vet I'm sorry, and I didn't mean to make none seem insensitive. In sorry and thanks for the help everyone provided
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Jun 13 2012
04:18:05 PM
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Plus it was kinda late by the time I found her .. :'(
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Jun 13 2012
04:33:10 PM
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<br />Only 13 and I couldn't drive and pull out a credit card and I couldn't get my dad the only one who supports me to go off work with no money to go to the vet I'm sorry, and I didn't mean to make none seem insensitive. In sorry and thanks for the help everyone provided
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If that is the case, I would look into finding a home for your gliders. Since you don't know what killed her and if it will affect the others, it might be best for them to be with someone who can afford to get them checked out and ensure they can provide vet care should the need arise.

Gliders are exotics and nocturnal - that means emergencies are generally going to happen at night and be a lot more expensive. If you don't have a back-up plan(like care credit or a vet that you know will take payments), you need to consider if its fair to the gliders to not even be able to be euthanized during an emergency...
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Jun 13 2012
04:49:02 PM
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I knew she was going to die okay! It's too late and god you know people are so insensitive on here (some of u) I've been with these gliders since they were born (3 of them) some of u only breath and live gliders, I hope u guys realize they r my family and I can take care of them and unforeseen circumstances happened I only had an hour of time lets say a random person who could afford them were to sleep in and not catch her on the floor and be there to hold her at her death bed, what would happen then, SHE WOULD BE DEAD, and yes I'm over reacting but most of u guys do ALLL THE TIME!!! Thanks to u who have common sense and u know who u are . I'm sure any sugar glider would rather die being loved than being at a vet and suffering, I'm young and I make mistakes.. One of them probably going to this website!! Have fun glidering.
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Jun 13 2012
05:31:50 PM
Skyfire Face Hugger GliderMap Visit Skyfire's Photo Album AZ, USA 456 Posts
Wow that was pretty harsh on a 13yr old kid. This should have been made into a learning experiance not lets trash a 13yrs old self esteem. It is the parents responsiblity to teach a child how to care for a pet they allowed her to have not ours. All we can do is comfort her.

It is not fair to her to belittle her. She cannot legally get a care card. She is a minor.

I am begaining to think this really needs to be an adult only forum. The parents really need to be the ones getting the info and teaching their kids not us teaching them.
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Jun 13 2012
05:37:15 PM
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I don't believe she mentioned that she was a minor until those suggestions had been made, or it most likely would have been an entirely different discussion.
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Jun 13 2012
05:42:35 PM
Skyfire Face Hugger GliderMap Visit Skyfire's Photo Album AZ, USA 456 Posts
True but most everyone knows that there are kids on this forum and we need to be careful of what we say to them. It can get us into trouble. If you don't know who or how old they are then you are going to want to think twice about what you post. Kids are protected online even if their parents don't know what they are doing.
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Jun 13 2012
05:47:34 PM
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I, for one, had NO idea what her age was until she posted it. I would be happy to have a conversation with her Dad if that would help anything. I am all about helping her gliders in the future. Bottom line. The things that I suggested were definitely geared more toward an adult....ie care credit, finances, etc. The unfortunate reality here is that SugarCookie is too young to have a job so any of my suggestions are going to be harder for her. Had I known she was 13, I would have focused more on how she could possibly get help in the community or ways to try to engage her Dad. We can only go on what is posted.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tigerlily88</i>
<br />I don't believe she mentioned that she was a minor until those suggestions had been made, or it most likely would have been an entirely different discussion.
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She did mention in the OP that she took the sick glider to school with that day and showed her off a lot, hense why she thought she was tired.

I understand everybody's frustration and I know I'm one of the worst for replying without thinking so I chose not to do so immediately.

Not even sure if this is even gona get read by the OP but by owning a pet YOU are responsible for it. If it gets sick, you are the one that is supposed to take it to the vets. Sugar gliders can run high vet bills, this is almost one of the 1st things I read about them. And quite clearly in situations like this, money IS the difference between life and death.

The one thing I do recommend is that if you ever have a sick glider again, leave it at home during the day. Sick gliders need their rest, especially during THEIR night time. Being 'shown off' to your friends is the last thing you should have done.

You say she's a super mommy and lives with 5 family members? Are the males neutered? 6 gliders is quite a lot for anybody to look after, especially somebody who relies on other people (parents) for money, travel etc.

Please don't think i'm trying to shoot you down. I'm not. I couldn't imagine losing one of my gliders and it must be horrible to go thru it but a lot of things you did wrong (like taking her out of the house and disturbing her sleep) are probably 'adult' common sense things NOT to do. As much as you love your pets, if you cant afford to look after them then you aren't doing right by them.

You said a glider would rather die being loved that at a vets suffering? I'm sure a glider of 4 yrs old would rather not die at all. It's almost 10 years before it's time. And if whatever it was WAS untreatable, the vet wouldn't have let the animal suffer.

The best thing you could do is take your others in for a check up, with an unknown illness one of the others could well have the same thing.

Again, sorry about your loss.
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Jun 13 2012
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But, with that said, I would DEFINITELY encourage her to neuter her males if she has not already. That's going to cost money...maybe we can come up with some ideas to help her there if she is open to it. Just another thought.
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Jun 13 2012
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No one, by any means, said anything that would "get them in trouble." Some people are certainly harsher with their words when things like this happen, but the point is the same. Advice and opinions were offered, with the best interest of the animals in question, based on the information that was given. And I personally don't think it's out of line to even suggest re-homing animals if proper emergency veterinary care cannot be provided, even knowing her age. Of course she cannot provide it, but if her family is not able or willing to help her with that, why would we recommend they stay in that situation?
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Jun 13 2012
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I am not against any of you. Most everyone one was kind. My point is that no matter who your talking to on the other end of the line..You have no idea who they are. Think before you type.

By the way sugar, I am very sorry for your loss. Do read the advice given and talk with your father about their care.
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Jun 13 2012
06:23:06 PM
petluv15 Fuzzy Wuzzy Gliderpedia Editor Visit petluv15's Photo Album petluv15's Journal 1500 Posts
I am very sorry for the loss of her glider.

However, I think minors need to take a bit more responsibility in DECLINING to get pets knowing that they aren't able to get a job yet, get a credit card, drive to the vet, etc. or make the suggestion to REHOME them to people that can take care of those things until they are on their own. Especially those that are a part of this forum and have done their research, they know what emergencies can happen, they should be well aware of the costs, and if they don't have family who considers them as FAMILY responsibilities with parents who can ensure that care credit/vet funds are available, then they can at least voice that they are not ready yet for such a special pet or make the suggestion to rehome/sell the gliders and wait until they're out on their own to get more. That is the unselfish, responsible decision that they can make in the best interest of their gliders...and if that's not possible, they should at least save up enough for an emergency euthanasia to ensure their pet doesn't suffer longer than necessary...
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