This is just one example of why most people feel gliders are not for younger people.

Kazko wants to make this an "adults only" site -

I personally am all for that!

I posted a while back - if your glider is sick, and you don't take it to the vet FOR ANY REASON - don't expect sympathy from me! YOU let your glider die.

That is the fact. I don't really care how old you are. If you are old enough to be posting on the internet, and owning a pet, you are old enough to know what the consequences of your choices are.

YOUR choices. And the glider suffered.

Shame on you, you 13 year old twit.

Wow. Such a shame. A child is allowed to care for these animals and this is what happens. Fantastic case here for why children shouldn't be given sugar gliders.

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<br />Kazko wants to make this an "adults only" site -

I personally am all for that!

I posted a while back - if your glider is sick, and you don't take it to the vet FOR ANY REASON - don't expect sympathy from me! YOU let your glider die.

That is the fact. I don't really care how old you are. If you are old enough to be posting on the internet, and owning a pet, you are old enough to know what the consequences of your choices are.

YOUR choices. And the glider suffered.

Shame on you, you 13 year old twit.
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Ouch Alden. I think calling a child a twit is a little harsh. No, maybe she shouldn't own exotic animals but I don't think calling her names has a place here.

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<br />Kazko wants to make this an "adults only" site -

I personally am all for that!

I posted a while back - if your glider is sick, and you don't take it to the vet FOR ANY REASON - don't expect sympathy from me! YOU let your glider die.

That is the fact. I don't really care how old you are. If you are old enough to be posting on the internet, and owning a pet, you are old enough to know what the consequences of your choices are.

YOUR choices. And the glider suffered.

Shame on you, you 13 year old twit.
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OK this is why is love Alden.....i 100% agree with some of you this girl needs to re-home the other gliders....if money is a "issue" then you shouldn't own ANY pets....not even a goldfish. Its people like her that make me sick! If you were a teen mom and something happened to your child would you sit home and watch it suffer? I sure as hell wouldn't, and my gliders are my children (on top of my actual 3 skin kids)....you have no respect for this poor baby that died. You sit here on the internet typing this sob story and expect us to feel bad for you......NO i do not feel bad for YOU, i feel bad for button's and your other gliders for having owners that do not care about there health and well being! If your parents bought you these gliders and put all the responsibility on you, then SHAME ON THEM too. Prime example of why children shouldn't even own an animal!

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<br />Kazko wants to make this an "adults only" site -

I personally am all for that!

I posted a while back - if your glider is sick, and you don't take it to the vet FOR ANY REASON - don't expect sympathy from me! YOU let your glider die.

That is the fact. I don't really care how old you are. If you are old enough to be posting on the internet, and owning a pet, you are old enough to know what the consequences of your choices are.

YOUR choices. And the glider suffered.

Shame on you, you 13 year old twit.
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Ouch Alden. I think calling a child a twit is a little harsh. No, maybe she shouldn't own exotic animals but I don't think calling her names has a place here.
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A twit is NOTHING bad it means a foolishly annoying person, which is what this girl is sorry. That the short way of putting it a twit!

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Really? "Twit" is harsh?? Really?

That is SO FAR from what I'd like to say! I think she got a bargain!

I think the name calling is more than a little uncalled for. No one said you have to dole out sympathy and you are entitled to your opinion on the issue (regarding if she made any effort to help Button) but nothing gives you the right to start insulting people or calling names.

Yes, actually - I do have that right!

1) This is the internet.

2) This is America.

I can insult people, or call names all I want! Sorry you don't like it! I choose not to most of the time, however, someone WATCHING their pet die while doing nothing gets me pretty angry! So - she's a twit!

Of course, this being America, she had every right to watch her pet die! Everyone knows that all animals are disposable in America!

And I still say she got a bargain!

Sorry, I never think it's appropriate for full grown adults to call children names. Yes, she may be irresponsible...most children are, that's why we always stress to the adults who ask about getting their children gliders that they need to know that THEY are the ones that need to be responsible for these pets, because they probably will need an exotic vet at some point...so IMO it's the adults in this household that could use the reeming...not the child.

My mom would tell me to not be a twit often in my teenage years.....ahhhhh memory lane.

I totally agree with the switch to an adult only site. I am also all for the idea of talking to this child's parental units instead of her. She stated that "a family member" woke her up and said "I think <b>YOU'RE</b> glider is dead" so I am under the impression that these are not family pets.

Maybe it would be a welcome suggestion to the parents that they rehome these gliders. She may not want to but being a child I would think that the final decision would be the parents to make.

ok fine....call names all you want, you are entitled to act the crone if you choose I guess.

But if this was an adult with this post EVERYONE would be jumping name calling and everything........what is the difference? She doesn't like the response she is getting oh well. When it comes to animals, its the OWNERS responsibility wither is be an adult OR child, to me they should get the SAME treatment and hear the same damn thing.

PLEASE OH PLEASE make this site an adult site....

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<br />But if this was an adult with this post EVERYONE would be jumping name calling and everything........what is the difference? She doesn't like the response she is getting oh well. When it comes to animals, its the OWNERS responsibility wither is be an adult OR child, to me they should get the SAME treatment and hear the same damn thing.

PLEASE OH PLEASE make this site an adult site....
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You are correct, if it was an adult I wouldn't have any issue with what anyone wanted to say, but that is exactly why children can't sign contracts or be held legally responsible for their actions, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ADULTS! She can't even legally have a job aside from babysitting or something like that & she can't even legally drive, so bottom line, her AND HER ANIMALS are at the mercy of the adults in the house.... and I'm sorry, like it or not children can have tender psychies... someone can say something that can damage them for the rest of their lives! Children kill themselves every day because they get made fun of or someone says something that they can't handle and I most certainly wouldn't want to be the one that said something that pushed a child over the edge!!!! And I also know that if someone was talking to my child like that I'd be fit to be tied!

^^^ I totally agree with JazzNZoeysmom

Don't get me wrong.... the opinions don't offend me...the opinions are probably 100 spot on...it's the attacking of a child that offends me!

bwhahahahahaha! Dichroic I need that on a t-shirt!

Awwwww, there, there! I'm so very sorry that your heart was broken when the tiny, precious, God-created life that was entrusted to your care was permitted to die because of your neglect. I'll pray for your soul.

And .... everyone go ahead and call me "mean!" You are doing exactly what I said you'd do, and I'm doing exactly what I said I'd do!

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42707

See, we can all behave as predicted!

Enough! Valkerie, BACK OFF! Sugar is a child who came here for sympathy after her pet died, and everyone is attacking her! BACK OFF! Did you ever have a pet die when you were a kid? How did you feel? And now you're making it worse by saying it's her fault. It doesn't matter if it was her fault. Her baby is dead, and your name calling won't bring it back. Leave her alone! You don't know all of the circumstances involved.

Ummmm... <i><b>everyone</b></i> is not attacking her. There have been folks that have given her very kind and sound advice. Let's not play that game.

True, there were several people who all they did was offer advice and were nothing but kind in how they did it.

Hey so if i made a profile and came on here said i was 14 and had an issue to the point where something was dying you would believe my age!!!!!!!

I can type right now I'm 14 and you guys do not know how old i really am....this is the internet....dont like it stop paying your internet bill and get it shut off or stop coming on here *common sense if you have that*. She came here, this site is known for the opinions wither there NICE or NOT. GET OVER IT! You do not even know how old she really is! She could be a fat, 40 year old male virgin for all you know. Get over yourself. People need to learn that this is just a FORUM opinions of everyone matters.

SHE AGREED TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS WHEN SHE PURCHASED THEM....SO THEY ARE HER RESPONSIBILITY. I did not see her mention ONCE that she had intentions to even ASK an adult to bring that glider to the vet. Didn't see the word VET in her post.

"She could be a fat, 40 year old male virgin for all you know."
<i>Okay this made me spit soda! LOL!</i>

"People need to learn that this is just a FORUM opinions of everyone matters."
<i>I agree with this</i>.

"I did not see her mention ONCE that she had intentions to even ASK an adult to bring that glider to the vet. Didn't see the word VET in her post."
<i>She did mention that she couldn't (I read wouldn't) ask her dad to take off of work. She also referenced money, but I am not clear on if she meant him or her.</i>

<b>"I couldn't get my dad the only one who supports me to go off work with no money to go to the vet"</b>

Buzz, it IS her fault. She actually didn't come her after her baby died. She came here to post that she was watching her baby die. Do you know how hard it is for many members here to hear that someone, no matter WHAT age, is sitting there doing nothing waiting for their glider to die?? I personally was nearly physically ill. In a way it doesn't even matter how old she is, although like I said this is a great example of why kids shouldn't have gliders (especially) without full parental support and commitment to take responsibility for the costs of care and vetting. If she is over 18, she is even more of a twit because she's an adult that should know better, and she made a conscious decision to sit and watch her glider die rather than care for her the way the LAW says an animal must be cared for. This is abuse, plain and simple.

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<br />Buzz, it IS her fault. She actually didn't come her after her baby died. She came here to post that she was watching her baby die. Do you know how hard it is for many members here to hear that someone, no matter WHAT age, is sitting there doing nothing waiting for their glider to die?? I personally was nearly physically ill. In a way it doesn't even matter how old she is, although like I said this is a great example of why kids shouldn't have gliders (especially) without full parental support and commitment to take responsibility for the costs of care and vetting. If she is over 18, she is even more of a twit because she's an adult that should know better, and she made a conscious decision to sit and watch her glider die rather than care for her the way the LAW says an animal must be cared for. This is abuse, plain and simple.
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My point is that she is a child seeking comfort. Even if it is her fault, attacking her won't bring the glider back. Yes, her actions were irresponsible. People have said time and time again that gliders hide illness until the last possible second. She had an hour. That's all. How many people have lost gliders because they didn't get to the vet in time? Were those people negligent or abusive? She tried to comfort the animal and put it back with its family where it was loved. Animal abuse, in my opinion, is intentially harming the animal. She was trying to care for Button as best she knew how.

I'm just saying be gentle. Children and teens are very sensitive to adult opinion even if they don't really know the adult all that well. She came here. That's a start if nothing else. Tearing her down won't help her. As for whether or not she is a 13, does it matter? Kindness, understanding and problem solving in hard situations, owner caused or not, should be the standard, not harsh name calling. Calling people names and saying they have no right to own gliders or pets, for that matter, are not constructive. People, especially children, learn from making mistakes. Allow her this mistake so she can grow from it.

Thats what I have been trying to say! Ty Jazz!

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<br />But if this was an adult with this post EVERYONE would be jumping name calling and everything........what is the difference? She doesn't like the response she is getting oh well. When it comes to animals, its the OWNERS responsibility wither is be an adult OR child, to me they should get the SAME treatment and hear the same damn thing.

PLEASE OH PLEASE make this site an adult site....
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You are correct, if it was an adult I wouldn't have any issue with what anyone wanted to say, but that is exactly why children can't sign contracts or be held legally responsible for their actions, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T ADULTS! She can't even legally have a job aside from babysitting or something like that & she can't even legally drive, so bottom line, her AND HER ANIMALS are at the mercy of the adults in the house.... and I'm sorry, like it or not children can have tender psychies... someone can say something that can damage them for the rest of their lives! Children kill themselves every day because they get made fun of or someone says something that they can't handle and I most certainly wouldn't want to be the one that said something that pushed a child over the edge!!!! And I also know that if someone was talking to my child like that I'd be fit to be tied!
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It might not bring the glider back, but one can hope she will be more responsible next time she has a glider dying. Or maybe she'll wake up and realize she shouldn't have them.

Okay, okay, perhaps she didn't know of these options such as Care Credit. Believe you me, I wanted to take Ashes to have her euthanized but she started acting a little better. I remember now my vet told me last year before I put my dog down that often many times animals will act like they are getting a 'second wind' before it is the end. Yes, ladies, you were kind. I think sometimes with us all being so passionate about gliders, we don't realize the world does not actually revolve around them. It should but it doesn't.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by petluv15</i>
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<br />Sometimes there is just nothing you can do though. I wouldn't assume anything at this point. My daughter had a hamster die last week. She was really sick and I wanted to take her to the vet but she was 2 1/2 years old and that's the life expectancy for them. I could have taken her but for what? For them to tell me she was dying of old age? I'm sorry Kim, I tend to lean towards soothing a broken heart. Unless she comes right out and says she didn't take her because she didn't have money. And for the OP, please apply for the Care Credit now. You want it before you 'need' it. [quote]

There is a difference between a 2 1/2 year old hamster and a 4 year old glider - a 4 year old glider is not in any way considered a senior. And the OP did say she didn't take her in due to money. There are options - care credit, rescues, posting here at the first sign(as we have seen before, sometimes the community steps up and is able to help), etc.

At the very least, you can take the animal in to be euthanized rather than "just let it die"...I'm not saying you have to pay for cancer treatment or surgery, but the animal deserves a painless, humane death rather than a drawn out suffering.
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All/most of the younger ones on this site fight to be treated like adults, especially when it comes to owning a sugar glider. And there are many minors on this site who are very mature for their age. So that is exactly what is happening here, she is being treated no differently than any other adult on this site. Also, no so sure how this site can be changed to adults only. There's no way to tell how old someone really is, not hard to type in a fake birth date.