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May 15 2009
07:31:54 AM
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Would you like new vendors products to be checked by a neutral member of the GG board before they are allowed to place an ad on the board?

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May 15 2009
09:20:59 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
What would be considered neutral and how would someone be considered qualified? I guess it seems like kind of a weird question.
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May 15 2009
10:03:36 AM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
Well I am still working on that question but if it was something avaliable to the community would it be something that they like to have. Maybe it's a community vote as to who would be the product tester.
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May 15 2009
11:00:28 AM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
i feel i am nuetral on this as weel but my other feelings are if you feel something is unsafe for your babies dont buy it.
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May 15 2009
11:16:01 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
So kind of like a compliance thing? I see what you're getting at but am not sure how it would be possible for every product to go through one person or how you could control this. Do you know if other boards do that? If so, how do they go about it?
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May 15 2009
11:44:52 AM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
Other boards tried to do it. My main concern is the classified ad section. I was hoping there could be a mod that would control the Ad's and be the one to say an ad is good or not. Just a thought to help the community.
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May 15 2009
12:52:33 PM
suggieluvr Super Glider Visit suggieluvr's Photo Album suggieluvr's Journal USA 394 Posts
I wouldn't want to be the one to test it to see if it were safe or not. I try and stick to what I know and what has worked for others so there are no injuries to my gliders.
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May 15 2009
01:47:15 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I don't think a mod for the classifieds is a bad idea at all
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May 15 2009
01:59:39 PM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
There are many vendors who make new toys and then give them to some of their glider owning friends for tried and true testing before placing them in the Product Classifieds sections of the forums. Im NOT talking about giving them to another brand new glider owners, either. They have to get several people who have had gliders for awhile and are knowledgeable enough to do the testing.

Sorry, but I do not purchase things from brand new glider owners who decide to make and sell glider related items. Its just not safe.

I also have no problems with the Classified sections being moderated.

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May 15 2009
02:08:57 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
I think having it moderated is a good idea.
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May 18 2009
11:07:41 PM
Eric C Retired GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Eric C's Photo Album Eric C's Journal TX, USA 2322 Posts
Just thinking out loud, do we then blame the moderator when someone's glider has an accident? And do we use real guinea pigs or just someone's unfortunate gliders pretending to be guinea pigs? Just exactly how does one "test" something for "glider safety?"

I think there is a good idea here somewhere, but I also don't think something like this is trivial or easy.
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May 19 2009
01:20:34 PM
valkyriemome Goofy Gorillatoes Visit valkyriemome's Photo Album USA 3479 Posts
Some moderation, even flawed, is better than a free-for-all.

A disclaimer would certainly absolve the moderator, and yet people posting at will could also be limited, if not eliminated.
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May 19 2009
01:46:18 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by valkyriemome

Some moderation, even flawed, is better than a free-for-all.

A disclaimer would certainly absolve the moderator, and yet people posting at will could also be limited, if not eliminated.

I also agree. I agree nobodies glider should do the testing for whether or not it is safe, but I have seen many post where pics have been posted and something can be pointed out. So maybe some of the moderation can be done on pics. Also maybe we can also do more of what Rita has done. If we have experience on something we know is unsafe we can post about our experience as a fyi.

Edited by - our2girlz on May 19 2009 01:47:52 PM
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May 19 2009
02:04:09 PM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
I'm not talking about actual testing on our gliders. What I mean is having someone with long term experience be sent an item to be checked out by the owner. You can tell a lot when you have a product in your hand that you cant see in a picture. You can see the stitching, if there are threads, if there are unsafe toy parts, etc.
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May 20 2009
01:57:32 PM
glider_mommy Face Hugger Visit glider_mommy's Photo Album AL, USA 931 Posts
One criteria I think there should be is that any potential vendor should have to be an ACTIVE member for atleast 4 - 6 months before they are aloud to be a vendor in the classifieds. BUT that is just my opinion.
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May 20 2009
02:32:34 PM
brandi_willsgirl Super Glider GliderMap Visit brandi_willsgirl's Photo Album USA 213 Posts
I agree. I know I only buy from people who I have seen good reports on from others, but that also makes it harder on a new vendor trying to get up and going.
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May 20 2009
04:01:23 PM
Mollysmom Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Visit Mollysmom's Photo Album MI, USA 2011 Posts
If someone obviously has nice, safe items to sell, and has been a suggie owner with great success for several years, I do not see why someone should have to be an ACTIVE member for at least 4-6 months before they're allowed to be a vendor in the classifieds. Let a vendor's work and reputation speak for itself.

I've been a suggie mom with very healthy gliders (11 of them in four huge cages) for three years now. I am an honest, responsible person who does nice quality work. This has been proven by several happy customers on this forum, as well as eBay. I have made all of my own bedding for my suggies over the past three years. I have lurked on this forum for a few years, simply because I was working full-time outside of my house 45-60 hours per week in a social service capacity in addition to taking care of my suggies and family...I just read, and didn't really feel that I had much I wanted or needed to say until recently. And, honestly, I didn't have the time. I didn't have the time to read all of the time, or reply. However, I appreciated learning more about these wonderful animals on Glider Gossip whenever I had the opportunity.

I've made great stuff for my own suggies for years. Now that I am able to take a breather from my lifelong career for awhile, I am having fun creating nice items for others. I didn't join Glider Gossip to do this.

It's my opinion that vendors need to supply pics of their work, if they're making toys and bedding for suggies. I think that one solution to the problem may be a "sticky" thread, as Eric has made for other important topics, with some of our ideas of what safe items for suggies might look like--for example, when Rita brought up the toys parts warning, and when there was discussion about using the smallest stitching size for items. I know that we absolutely cannot anticipate every possible accident that suggies might have. I think that it is up to the buyer to be aware, and for those of us who see something questionable to respectfully attempt to address it with vendor.

Anyhow, no disrespect to anyone is intended. I felt the need to have my position about all of this voiced, that's all.

Edited by - Mollysmom on May 20 2009 04:46:11 PM
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May 20 2009
08:51:38 PM
trigger Glider Visit trigger's Photo Album USA 164 Posts
I feel testing products is very important. I think a tester should be not only an owner, but also have vast sewing experience.

I send my products to a rescue home for testing before I offer them to the public.

For me this accomplishes two things:
1. I will know a product is safe before selling it
2. I donate to a rescue home & help gliders by providing extra cage sets & toys.
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May 20 2009
09:27:10 PM
Goddessbaby Super Glider GliderMap Visit Goddessbaby's Photo Album 396 Posts
but what happens when you have someone test an item that turns out to be unsafe or the glider has a "freak accident"? you can never be too sure. If the classifieds was moderated, I do think there would be less scamming and a sticky of glider safe, toys seems like a good idea so at least when people decide to make things, they know whats not okay.
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May 21 2009
06:40:27 AM
glider_mommy Face Hugger Visit glider_mommy's Photo Album AL, USA 931 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Mollysmom

If someone obviously has nice, safe items to sell, and has been a suggie owner with great success for several years, I do not see why someone should have to be an ACTIVE member for at least 4-6 months before they're allowed to be a vendor in the classifieds. Let a vendor's work and reputation speak for itself.

I've been a suggie mom with very healthy gliders (11 of them in four huge cages) for three years now. I am an honest, responsible person who does nice quality work. This has been proven by several happy customers on this forum, as well as eBay. I have made all of my own bedding for my suggies over the past three years. I have lurked on this forum for a few years, simply because I was working full-time outside of my house 45-60 hours per week in a social service capacity in addition to taking care of my suggies and family...I just read, and didn't really feel that I had much I wanted or needed to say until recently. And, honestly, I didn't have the time. I didn't have the time to read all of the time, or reply. However, I appreciated learning more about these wonderful animals on Glider Gossip whenever I had the opportunity.

I've made great stuff for my own suggies for years. Now that I am able to take a breather from my lifelong career for awhile, I am having fun creating nice items for others. I didn't join Glider Gossip to do this.

It's my opinion that vendors need to supply pics of their work, if they're making toys and bedding for suggies. I think that one solution to the problem may be a "sticky" thread, as Eric has made for other important topics, with some of our ideas of what safe items for suggies might look like--for example, when Rita brought up the toys parts warning, and when there was discussion about using the smallest stitching size for items. I know that we absolutely cannot anticipate every possible accident that suggies might have. I think that it is up to the buyer to be aware, and for those of us who see something questionable to respectfully attempt to address it with vendor.

Anyhow, no disrespect to anyone is intended. I felt the need to have my position about all of this voiced, that's all.





Well because we have NO WAY of knowing anything about these new members/vendors. They might not be honest... like a that one vendor that I ordered from and never received my product. I had to go through all that trouble of posting a disputer/claim with paypal. It was a pain... guess how many posts they had... 3. They were a NEW member. Under the guideline I suggested they would NEVER have been allowed to post a classifieds ad. Forgive me if I don't like to take chances with my money.
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May 21 2009
11:00:12 AM
Mollysmom Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Visit Mollysmom's Photo Album MI, USA 2011 Posts
quote:
...Forgive me if I don't like to take chances with my money.


I think that the buyer needs to be aware from whom they are buying; that is the responsibility of the buyer, NOT the moderators. I would be cautious in purchasing from someone who only had three posts if I couldn't substantiate a clear history of ethical sales through another source, such as eBay feedback. Hey, you even take that chance if you buy something on another sales venue, such as eBay or Critterbin! And, one would still have to jump through the same hoops, unfortunately, if what happened to Glider Mommy happened on either of those sales sites.

What several folks here are talking about, with moderators scrutinzing every single item for safety, and every single seller for ethical sales history, would require an expensive infrastructure, and would put an unfair and time-consuming burden on moderators.

It bears mentioning that this site is already moderated, or the classifieds would be full of all kinds of things that I, for one, would NOT want to see, such as porn links, etc.

To quote Eric's earlier post, this is neither trivial nor easy.

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May 22 2009
08:33:46 AM
lovely1inred Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit lovely1inred's Photo Album 1144 Posts
I think it boils down to buyer beware. I purchased a couple bonding pouches from tootles on here, but only after I'd seen other people happy with her work. I also have issues dealing with paypal and some of my cards being connected to an account that the email no longer exists to. So I PMed her, asked her what other manner she'd like payment in, and described what I wanted. We both come out of the deal happy.

A limit to 4-6 months of active posting would be a nightmare for the administration...do you allow them to post in classifieds at all? Or just not start their own topics? Because a new member is going to want to get on there and say, "Hey, like that pouch, can I get 3 of them?" Or, if blocked, from starting their own topics, will simply piggy-back off someone else posting things like, "I have sets too, check my ebay site here" and provide a link.

I like the sticky idea, of safe and unsafe toys, stitches, etc. Even a list of known hazards helps educate us all. But having to hassle to get back money and what not...there's really no way to do anything about it except protect yourself and go through a third party like paypal where you can have a dispute, and then warn others about that vendor, or buy only from well-known and well-regarded vendors.
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May 22 2009
11:13:33 AM
Mollysmom Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Visit Mollysmom's Photo Album MI, USA 2011 Posts
Well said!
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May 23 2009
05:44:16 PM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
The above comments and stories are reasons why I have said before and will say it again - I will never buy from a new member.
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May 24 2009
11:35:37 AM
glider_mommy Face Hugger Visit glider_mommy's Photo Album AL, USA 931 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Rita

The above comments and stories are reasons why I have said before and will say it again - I will never buy from a new member.



I have just pretty much adopted the whole ... I ONLY BUY FROM TOOTLES policy...lol That way I don't have to worry either way about it.


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May 24 2009
11:52:34 AM
brandi_willsgirl Super Glider GliderMap Visit brandi_willsgirl's Photo Album USA 213 Posts
Well, my gliders definately choose tootles products over any others I have so I may have to go with glider_mommy's policy! lol!!!
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May 26 2009
01:03:56 AM
glider_mommy Face Hugger Visit glider_mommy's Photo Album AL, USA 931 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by brandi_willsgirl

Well, my gliders definately choose tootles products over any others I have so I may have to go with glider_mommy's policy! lol!!!



See... all of us can't be wrong..rofl TOOTLES!!! TOOTLES!!! TOOTLES!!! TOOTLES!!!
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May 26 2009
08:23:01 AM
valkyriemome Goofy Gorillatoes Visit valkyriemome's Photo Album USA 3479 Posts
While I do always agree with "buyer beware" ...

This post almost directly contradicts the "stop being mean" thread on here.

If I buy from a vendor and am not satisfied, or if I see pictures of a vendor's items on here that don't looks safe, I'm going to post about it!

It isn't bashing. It isn't being mean. It is stating either facts, or my opinions about the quality of vended items.

If we had a moderator, I could make those comments privately to a mod, and the mod could take the appropriate action. It wouldn't be "mean". It would come from an objective, non-partial source.

The prospective buyers could be warned, and any safety disputes could take place in PM with the moderator, and no one would be accused of "being mean" just for observing unsafe products!
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May 29 2009
01:07:47 AM
lovely1inred Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit lovely1inred's Photo Album 1144 Posts
valkyriemom, I see what you are saying...but I wonder what action would a moderator take? Remove the whole posting? Tell them to give you your money back? Or would the moderator PM everyone responding to that seller's thread with your story? This is still assuming you tell the mod the truth, and the mod tells the seller the truth. I'm not saying you personally would lie but some people just aren't honest, or want to get something for nothing, yanno?
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