Ughhh!! What is up with the new ad?? Please explain so we can continue to support you?????? I don't know... I'm feeling mighty foolish...

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Originally posted by SariYappa

so tisha, did I say something wrong?? I am responding to her/his post about pulling all her ads, backing off, and doing more research. Did I miss something?

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LOL NO! Sorry, I was referring to their last post (right before I posted)..I will go back and put in some quotes.

HAHA... that's OK tisha, it could be relevant now though, seeing what has happened since! (boink)!

Actually, that ad was posted before the one that said they were going to pull them but you're right, it's still there. They also had said they'd removed the picture of the glider with the leash from their journal and it's still there as well.

so confusing...

and they seem to have disappeared??

Seems so but maybe they'll come back and pull both. Hopefully.

I can NOT answer any questions of who the breeder was that ripped me off due to a ongoing lawsuit.
valkyriemome-
Very judgemental without facts, but thanks anyway.

And yes I am keeping my FOUR THOUSAND dollar common grey!
Lesson learned.
RE: Licensing
I have my Class III, for Exhibition or Public Sale

Ok..so everyone here is being nice about all this...well i'm getting tired of it. You keep AVOIDING certain questions that are being asked and keep saying the same thing over and over. What about the other questions being asked?

What about your other ad for custom breeding? You still thinking about that? WHY in the world would you go spend $4000 on a glider if you couldn't even tell by looking at it that it wasn't a mosaic?? Have you ever seen a picture of a mosaic?! But, you still did it anyway?? That really sucks, and I feel sorry that you got scammed like that. BUT the fact that you are now wanting to turn around and BREED, for color none-the-less, when you couldn't even do enough research to know whether you were spending your own money wisely WORRIES ME!!!! Apart from all the reasons why a glider should not be bred, breeding for color is EVEN MORE DANGEROUS!!! It's not NATURAL, so there are so many things that can go wrong. Unless you are knowledgable enough to get it right!

It will be very irresponsible of you to keep calling yourself a breeder, since you've had a glider for 3 months (?!?!?!), and even MORE irresponsible for you to actually go into breeding right now!!! You need to learn a hell of a lot more before you go on with this....

Again...if you don't even know whether you are really spending $4000 on a mosaic or not, you have NO business trying to breed for color...or in general.

No one in their right mind would pay 4,000 for a glider without even knowing if its the right kind. I agreed with tisha, something is very wrong here. Please dont breed haha.

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Originally posted by FloridaSugarBreeder
RE: Licensing
I have my Class III, for Exhibition or Public Sale

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Your name didn't show up on APHIS. You've had gliders for 3 months and already have received your license? Most USDA inspectors I've spoken to say that they don't have time to do inspections of homes who don't even have 3 females. They're too busy dealing w/larger facilities and they want to see the facility's set up/operation to ensure all criteria are met.

We've seen this type of situation before and numerous folks have offered you advice...advice that you asked for. You came on saying you wanted to further your education, yet you are not only shunning good advice, but being defensive and refusing to answer questions. You can't learn that way. Everyone makes mistakes and the hope is that we all learn from them and don't repeat them. We share what we've learned to help other's from repeating those mistakes. You have an opportunity to listen and learn. What you choose to do with that opportunity is all on you.

I thought the average price was around $200, and if the research was done, they should have known that! This makes me wonder if this person did any research whatsoever before purchasing their glider. And if you wanted to breed for color, shouldn't you know the colors? And yes, breeding for color often causes inbreeding and genetic anomolies. My family used to breed paint horses, and there was a lot of problems genetically with the Impressive Quarter Horse Line.

I was led to believe that Dutchess was a mosaic after seeing her parents I thought to my self she doesn't look "patched" but I wanted a expensive female I have come to find out the paperwork was counterfeit as was her lic on the wall. Due to Dutchess's questionable origin she is now going to be overpriced pet and not to be bred under false pretenses of Mosaic.
Now on to some directs:
I have not shunned anyone I am being far from rude to anyone!
Yes it was stupid to believe a person with fake documentation! Why are so many of you upset I spent 4 thousand on a sugar, with all due respect many breeders ask quite a bit for these rarity traits, just because you have a 200$ common and can't afford superior quality don't be shocked that someone will pay good money for great goods. Now I was dupped by fake creds and info.
Now on to my furthering of my education I will be traveling to the Taronga zoo to meet with there glider caregiver coordinater. The way I figure it if you want to learn about anything its natural environment is the best place to start. I know the special events director at the zoo. Any if anyone would like information on contacting the zoo for reservations msg me and I can accommodate you. Also I have found online courses geared for Vets and breeders Called Glider university. (Google it)
So thank you all look for my pics from Australia! TTFN

OMG-Glider University? You've been duped again, I'm afraid.

why didn't you meet with the glider coordinater before you got the glider? The fraud you just experienced could have been easily prevented....

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18856

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=11522

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18875

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=11058

Superior goods??? bahahaha you paid as much money as some people spend on a car to buy a sugar glider that is a "200$ common". I am not mad because you got tricked, im mad because after many people keep saying that you might not be ready to breed, you dont take anyones advice. If you are so trusting to give someone 4000 for a glider youve never seen, I just dont think your ready to breed and profit from these animals. Plus anyone who calls an animal "superior goods" is degrading them. And fancy mosaics and leus are not "better" by any standards. Ok maybe they have a different color coat, but the standard greys makes just as good and maybe sometimes better pets.

We also paid, what, 1/200th of what you did for just as great of "goods"! Why WOULD we pay $4000??? Trust me, I can afford it and yes, breeders ask quite a bit for rarity traits but not THAT "quite a bit". I'm not mad you paid $4000. "With all due respect", I bet that breeder sure isn't either.

I'll stick with my 200$ commons, thank you very much. In my eyes they are far superior.

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Originally posted by FloridaSugarBreeder

Why are so many of you upset I spent 4 thousand on a sugar, with all due respect many breeders ask quite a bit for these rarity traits, just because you have a 200$ common and can't afford superior quality don't be shocked that someone will pay good money for great goods. Now I was dupped by fake creds and info.

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7 out of my 8 animals were adopted from shelters, rescued off streets, or taken in from people who couldn't care for them. But, I also spent $1400 on an English Bulldog puppy. So no, I have no problem with spending extra for an animal of certain breed/lineage. But, with all due respect, the difference is, I was smart enough to atleast know what an English Bulldog looked like. AND to know that I was purchasing him from a reputable breeder.

I am no longer sorry you got scammed. I now think you deserve it. Stay on your high horse over there, I'll just sit here and continue to laugh at you.

I'm so over this thread.

why does it matter what color they are i consider this rasist!!!!

First of all, a mosaic glider does not sell for that much money. Secondly, the problem is not that you got "duped" the problem is that you claim that you are going to breed for a color when you clearly do not know what the color looks like, what specific traits make up the color and the genetics that go into breeding for the color. Without ANY documentation, I can tell you if a glider is a mosaic or not just by looking at it. Furthermore, you refuse to listen to anyone here.

Glider University is another JOKE of a place. To rely on what you "learn" there will only lead to further problems establishing any sort of credibility in this community.

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just because you have a 200$ common and can't afford superior quality don't be shocked that someone will pay good money for great goods

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I don't even know where to begin with this one..... You would be quite surprised how many of these "superior quality" gliders I have in my home. Their coat color does NOT make them superior quality. But, you want to play tha card, I can play along. I own a mosaic that many people who care about that color of glider would die to have - he is absolutely stunning. As a breeding glider, he possesses the genetics and lineage to produce mosaic, leucistic, WF & platinum babies if paired with the right glider -- oh, wait, I also have that PERFECT mate and have produced for my own colony every one of those colors. They are my pets and were not bred for selling. That stunning boy will not be producing any more - because he is loved as he is. He is what many breeders would call "superior" for a breeding program, but cannot breed any more.
Please, do not make assumptions about what the people on this board can and cannot afford or will or will not pay for. Just FYI - I have never and will never pay $4000 for a glider. No where close. My GREAT "goods" also came at a great price.

Shame on you for making assumptions about the good people here - and shame on you even more for your dispicable ads for "custom breeding" and for insulting the people here by thinking that any of us would ever place an order for one of your "custom" bred gliders. We are not so foolish as to ever purchase a glider from someone who does not even know what they should look like. Nor are we foolish enough to believe most of what spills from you.

Our very common greys are just as important as your so called mociac. Just because you got scammed is no reason for you to get hostile or try to say we cant afford something when you know nothing about us. Every one has tried to be nice and offer advice and suggestions and you have done nothing but say we are mad cause you got scammed and that we weremad cause we couldnt afford something of that value. If you did the proper research you would of got references from other customers of the so called breeder who you bought your so called mosiac from, and you would of also known she wasnt a true mosiac. Now it sounds like all you want to do is promise custom colors that you absolutely have no possible control over.

This is fantastic. Everyone rip him a new one. Go on. I'll just sit back here and listen to the hilarity. Tear the jerk apart.

I completely agree with the others. I would much rather have a 'common grey' who is friendly then the prettiest white tipped out there who has genetic defects, is probably on a poor diet, and would likely have very little interaction. I think my girls are of the highest quality, because they love me with all of their little marsupial hearts, and I wouldn't have it any other way!

Im sorry if I blew up but he came to this sight looking for help and when everyone tries to help all he does is say we are jealous cause we cant buy something of that value. You dont aske someone for help then criticize the same people for just being honest and helpful.

"... just because you have a 200$ common and can't afford superior quality don't be shocked that someone will pay good money for great goods..."

I was actually feeling fairly sympathetic towards you until you made the very big mistake of DARING to say this.

First of all I would like to say that this couldn't be farther from the truth, for several reasons. I, too, have some high end bred animals. Two silver persians, one flame point Siamese, purebred golden retriever... Even an albino cockatiel. My family have shelled out as much as $35,000 for a purebred Arabian mare.

But I also have a "common" grey cockatiel, a "common" grey chinchilla, and three "common" grey sugar gliders. All of these animals were rescues as were three of the purebreds mentioned above.

For you to dare suggest that a genetic fluke of nature that is a designer glider is "superior" than a normal glider is bull. They aren't superior. They are a novelty.

I don't have anything against breeding, selling, or owning one of these novelty pets. I have friends who own these and I support their decision to purchase these gliders. But don't you dare call them superior. They aren't even this on a genetic level as these novelty gliders have the tendancy to be sickly and/or more prone to illness as they are an unnatural mutation and every time you create an animal like this, you create a whole bunch of health related issues along with it.

If I wanted to have a houseful of color mutated gliders, I could. But I couldn't fathom doing that when so many "common" gliders are in need of homes. All three of mine were rescues from impossibly bad situations. My one boy in particular has overcome tremendous neglect, and for him to be so well adjusted now is a miracle. A lot of people on this forum have similiar stories and have witnessed their babies also overcome impossible abuse and poor care. For you to suggest that our glider kids are inferior to your hot house flowers was a very bad move.

You just alienated about 90% of this board.

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Now on to my furthering of my education I will be traveling to the Taronga zoo to meet with there glider caregiver coordinater.

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no such role exists as such. There are not enough gliders there for a specific glider caretaker.

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Originally posted by FloridaSugarBreeder The way I figure it if you want to learn about anything its natural environment is the best place to start.

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A zoo is not natural habitat and it is no more impressive than any other glider exhibit in say USA. Definitely not worth spending the airfare on anyway.

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Originally posted by FloridaSugarBreederI know the special events director at the zoo. Any if anyone would like information on contacting the zoo for reservations msg me and I can accommodate you.

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You might want to check with your friend at the zoo as general public are not generally invited behind the scenes unless it's one of those very expensive tourists incentives that pretend you are behind the scenes but certainly nothing gearetd toward visiting the gliders in particular. University students can attend courses of general animal husbandary at the zoo but these are limited and only for those in the field not public.

Before you start making reservations for others, you might want to check with the zoo for sure.

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Originally posted by FloridaSugarBreeder Also I have found online courses geared for Vets and breeders Called Glider university. (Google it)

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This is a regular glider website not a real university.

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Originally posted by FloridaSugarBreederSo thank you all look for my pics from Australia! TTFN

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I wont be waiting for baited breath. It's a sight I see daily. Obviously you didn't realise there are actual aussies on this site that can see that you are well and truly full of it.

Good luck with your trip to Australia and your visit to Taronga Zoo. Actually I do not believe that is really going to happen.

You may also be very disappointed with what you learn there. Gliders cared for in a zoo in Australia would have an entirely different habitat than we can provide for pet gliders. They have access to plants and foods that are not easily available here in Florida.

If you take time to read here on the board there are members from Australia who have posted pictures of their outdoor habitats. Yes we are all a little jealous of them but their enclosures are not practical for most people here.

NOW - while you are telling us stories about traveling to Australia to learn about gliders, I for one would like the truth about your claim that you are a newly licensed breeder.

If you are licensed, someone forgot to tell the USDA because you are not listed, in fact there are no licensed breeders or dealers in Boynton Beach Florida.

The best way to establish your self in this community is to tell the truth.

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Originally posted by FloridaSugarBreederSo thank you all look for my pics from Australia! TTFN

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I wont be waiting for baited breath. It's a sight I see daily. Obviously you didn't realise there are actual aussies on this site that can see that you are well and truly full of it.

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Well, apparently the view is the same from Australia as it is for me right here in Florida...he is certainly full of it.

I just want to add that each one of the "goods" who live here in my home ARE superior..not because of the color of their fur, but because they are special and unique little babies. I would be much more impressed by someone who spent $4200 on providing everything their glider needs for the duration of their life than with someone who feels that the ability to spend $4200 on a single glider defines their character. Questions were asked of you, and your answer is that you are going to Australia. What the heck does that have to do with anything? Becoming a breeder entails much more than saying "I'm a breeder." You have to know what you're doing and be prepared to do what's necessary to keep your gliders safe and happy. Being prepared means more than just having bought a rejected joey kit. If you don't the BASICS about the animal, you need to learn. You learn by listening to EXPERIENCED people. There have been a lot of those people trying to help and you just threw their help back in their faces...no disrespect.

wow what is a true pitty is that these animals you consider "superior" are usually bought up by rich snobs such as yourself whom buy up these beautiful creatures and then put them in a cage force them to make babies till they are dead lieing to and scamming people with them and being just as bad as any mill breeder out there i pitty you for the simple reason that you will never have the love loyalty and compassion to have a real bond with an animal. (sorry to be harsh but this really boils my blood)