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Nov 16 2009
01:06:43 PM

Hi Everyone,

I received a sad phone call the this weekend from my 19 y.o. nephew in Pennsylvania (I am originally from there). He was so upset to find out that Pennsylvania is one of only 5 states which still restricts it's citizens from owning 'exotic' captive-bred sugar gliders. He is one of the most responsible, loving, pet owners I know and see no reason why people in PA are any different from the rest of us. He said he researched and found out the only way that can change is if PA changes it's laws.

Making them legal to own doesn't just support purchasing sugar gliders, but it also means making thousands of loving homes available to surrendered, abused and rescued gliders.


My partner was so upset by this that he authored a petition online to be sent to the Pennsylvania Legislature requesting to have this law amended or a new bill added to the books. Please take the time to go to this petition (link below), read it and feel free to sign your name as support...YOU do not need to be a citizen of Pennsylvania to sign this petition....You only need to enter your name & e-mail address. Your e-mail will NOT be 'displayed online or used' for any purpose other than this petition


http://www.petitiononline.com/petsinpa/petition.html


Lets help all people of Pennsylvania have a 'choice'....Thank you for your time and support.

JediMasterMatt

Edited by - JediMasterMatt on Nov 18 2009 10:14:29 PM
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Nov 16 2009
01:09:15 PM
suppressedtearz Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit suppressedtearz's Photo Album USA 1066 Posts
I'm all for it!
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Nov 16 2009
01:15:06 PM
miniannalee Joey GliderMap Visit miniannalee's Photo Album GA, USA 12 Posts
I signed it.
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Nov 16 2009
01:18:29 PM
tymberwolfe Glider Visit tymberwolfe's Photo Album MO, USA 113 Posts
So did I
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Nov 16 2009
01:20:27 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
Thanks guys...if you could spread the word to friends and family it would be appreciated...obviously, the more signatures the more IMPACT it will have. Thanks again!
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Nov 16 2009
02:03:41 PM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
Matt, I believe there have been other petitions for gliders in PA. Im at work right now and dont have access to my bookmarks - but will try to look tonight when I get home.
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Nov 16 2009
02:15:07 PM
suggiegirl Super Glider GliderMap Visit suggiegirl's Photo Album 270 Posts
so did i
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Nov 16 2009
04:43:30 PM
fadedrainbows Face Hugger GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit fadedrainbows's Photo Album fadedrainbows's Journal USA 819 Posts
I have signed too. =]
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Nov 16 2009
04:43:39 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
he can still get one...it's not like it will burst into flames when it crosses into PA....


besides, since when has the law ever stopped anyone?


and we have a civic duty do disobey stupid laws....

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Nov 16 2009
04:44:20 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Rita

Matt, I believe there have been other petitions for gliders in PA. Im at work right now and dont have access to my bookmarks - but will try to look tonight when I get home.



My nephew said that there were one or two other petitions online, but the petitions are older and none of the contacts (authors) respond to any e-mail inquiries about the status of these petitions.
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Nov 16 2009
04:46:18 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous

he can still get one...it's not like it will burst into flames when it crosses into PA....

besides, since when has the law ever stopped anyone?

and we have a civic duty do disobey stupid laws....





This is irresponsible. Usually in the states where gliders are illegal, the biggest issue is finding a vet to treat them. That could be the difference between life and death for a glider.
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Nov 16 2009
04:48:10 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous

he can still get one...it's not like it will burst into flames when it crosses into PA....


besides, since when has the law ever stopped anyone?


and we have a civic duty do disobey stupid laws....



People are often worried about what will happen to the glider if they get caught with it also like it being destroyed. Any reputable breeder won't sale a glider to someone from a state where they are illegal for this reason and many other reasons.
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Nov 16 2009
04:51:24 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous

he can still get one...it's not like it will burst into flames when it crosses into PA....


besides, since when has the law ever stopped anyone?


and we have a civic duty do disobey stupid laws....





I have to disagree with you, only because 'IF' the Pennsylvania Game Commission would get word that he sugar gliders, they would most likely confiscate them and 'put them down', plus give him a hefty fine....that's a risk my nephew wouldn't want to take.
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Nov 16 2009
05:21:48 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I don't know if the wording can be altered at this point, but the petition is incorrect that there are only 2 states where sugar gliders are illegal. They are illegal in California, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Alaska and Massachusetts. They are also illegal in St. Paul (MN), the 5 boroughs in NYC and some counties in TX.
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Nov 16 2009
05:26:23 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by kyro298

I don't know if the wording can be altered at this point, but the petition is incorrect that there are only 2 states where sugar gliders are illegal. They are illegal in California, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Alaska and Massachusetts. They are also illegal in St. Paul (MN), the 5 boroughs in NYC and some counties in TX.



Thanks for that info, I will check and see if it can be altered...I received that original information from my nephew and will have him contact his source.
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Nov 16 2009
05:27:44 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I think this was last updated in October if he wants to take a look:

http://www.sugarglider.com/gliderpedia/index.asp?Laws
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Nov 16 2009
05:30:13 PM
skittlesandpeanut Super Glider GliderMap skittlesandpeanut's Journal USA 227 Posts
just a quick question about this whole thing....I live in maryland and have family in pa. I visit pa often and I take my suggies with my when i visit pa. Actually just last weekand I was in pa with my suggies. Is that alos illegal, or is it only illegal to actually own them in pa??
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Nov 16 2009
05:37:51 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by skittlesandpeanut

just a quick question about this whole thing....I live in maryland and have family in pa. I visit pa often and I take my suggies with my when i visit pa. Actually just last weekand I was in pa with my suggies. Is that alos illegal, or is it only illegal to actually own them in pa??



I am not sure, but I think its only illegal if you cross state lines with the intention to sell/trade/breed/buy/adopt sugar gliders within Pennsylvania.
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Nov 16 2009
06:03:29 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
Maybe it would be illegal to pass through though, because you may still be able to dump them there or whatever.
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Nov 16 2009
08:41:56 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Do you know how many signatures are needed? I signed but sometimes people are apprehensive about putting any sort of personal info on anything. There are other glider boards too if you want to try getting more response.
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Nov 16 2009
08:52:02 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by kyro298

Do you know how many signatures are needed? I signed but sometimes people are apprehensive about putting any sort of personal info on anything. There are other glider boards too if you want to try getting more response.



No particular number of signatures are needed, but it would be nice to get as many as I can...

Also, no personal info except your name and e-mail are required, and your e-mail will NOT be posted publicly and only used for the purpose of the petition.

Thanks!
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Nov 16 2009
09:45:11 PM
MTol Glider GliderMap Visit MTol's Photo Album MTol's Journal VA, USA 59 Posts
I signed [^-^]
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Nov 16 2009
10:10:49 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by MTol

I signed [^-^]



Thanks, its greatly appreciated.

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Nov 17 2009
11:14:30 AM
tisha Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Visit tisha's Photo Album tisha's Journal OK, USA 2081 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by JediMasterMatt

***UPDATE*** This post has had over 168 views, BUT 'only' 14 people have signed the petition! Was I wrong to expect support from the Sugar Glider Community on this subject?


I just now signed it because I'm just now seeing this thread. But honestly, I ALMOST didn't just because of that edit. It kind of sounded a little rude to me, BUT, I did sign the petition because it's for the animals. Just want to let you know that you may get fewer people to sign that would have signed, just by saying that. I'm sure you didn't intend it to sound rude. The post has only been up for a day so just give it some time.

Anyway, just because there are 168 views doesn't mean 168 different people viewed the thread. One person could have viewed it 20 times. So, just keep that in mind.
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Nov 17 2009
11:25:13 AM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts

I'm sorry but I think they need more regulations(or at least enforce the laws we already have) on exotic animals not less. There is a problem with too many animals that need homes right now with domestic and exotic.

" where else could I possibly get better support from?"

Take a guess! People in it for the $$$. And they will move in if/when the law is changed.

For all I know your 19 year old nephew is really a 50 year old lady with a horse trailer full of gliders waiting on the border. Sorry I can't sign anything without knowing all the facts.
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Nov 17 2009
11:42:11 AM
Stevos Joey GliderMap 43 Posts
I have to agree with Catman, but i didnt want to be the first to say it.
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Nov 17 2009
12:59:56 PM
arn26 Glider Visit arn26's Photo Album 68 Posts
You cant be serious Catman?
You act like that even if his nephew was a "50 year old lady with a horse trailer full of gliders" he wouldnt have 45 other states to sell them in?
that was an completely ridiculous comment to make. Everyone should be able to enjoy a pet suggie. Yes, alot don't realize the work that is involved until after they get it but I dont see you making petitions to enforce more strict regulations on gliders in your state.

I signed it..despite the hundreds of thousands of people in PA just waiting for gliders to be legal so they can torture them paha
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Nov 17 2009
01:12:00 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Catman


I'm sorry but I think they need more regulations(or at least enforce the laws we already have) on exotic animals not less. There is a problem with too many animals that need homes right now with domestic and exotic.

" where else could I possibly get better support from?"

Take a guess! People in it for the $$$. And they will move in if/when the law is changed.

For all I know your 19 year old nephew is really a 50 year old lady with a horse trailer full of gliders waiting on the border. Sorry I can't sign anything without knowing all the facts.



Well Catman, I appreciate your honesty!.....but I guess your train of thought is you have your own gliders, SO SCREW EVERYONE ELSE. Its ashamed that you don't give a crap about anyone else's opportunity to get sugar gliders.

Secondly, I know there are a lot of people out there wanting to make $$$ off of sugar gliders, that is the reason I didn't want to go to places like PetSmart or Petco and pass out flyers or even e-mail PPP to get support for this petition. You can at least give me credit for having some scrupples.

I am all for more laws protecting sugar gliders and setting rules and care guidelines, but I don't think individuals should be restricted from owning them if they have the proper education.

As for the 'old lady' comment...that's just plain rude!
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Nov 17 2009
01:17:19 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by tisha

quote:
Originally posted by JediMasterMatt

***UPDATE*** This post has had over 168 views, BUT 'only' 14 people have signed the petition! Was I wrong to expect support from the Sugar Glider Community on this subject?


I just now signed it because I'm just now seeing this thread. But honestly, I ALMOST didn't just because of that edit. It kind of sounded a little rude to me, BUT, I did sign the petition because it's for the animals. Just want to let you know that you may get fewer people to sign that would have signed, just by saying that. I'm sure you didn't intend it to sound rude. The post has only been up for a day so just give it some time.

Anyway, just because there are 168 views doesn't mean 168 different people viewed the thread. One person could have viewed it 20 times. So, just keep that in mind.



Tisha,

I didn't mean for it to come across rude, all I meant was that I was expecting more support than 14 signatures from a community that advocates responsible ownership and open arms to new owners. I thought people who owned sugar gliders would want other people (with proper research) to be able to have the same opportunity as you and I to raise such wonderful animals....that's all I am asking for, fairness.

JediMasterMatt
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Nov 17 2009
01:52:26 PM
arn26 Glider Visit arn26's Photo Album 68 Posts
Matt,
I wanna thank you for starting this petition. I for one totally agree with you.
Whats the difference between me having a glider in Ohio and someone having one in Pennsylvania when its only an hour away?
I understand where the concerns from the other glider-parents are coming from, but their worries happen in every state. It would not make the glider situation worse. In fact, perhaps if PA were legal maybe gliders that needed rehomed would have somewhere to go.
I also was surprised to find that I was only the 17th to sign it. I posted it to my facebook and such and will encourage my family and friends to also sign it. Lets get this thing rolling!
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Nov 17 2009
02:16:03 PM
JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by arn26

Matt,
I wanna thank you for starting this petition. I for one totally agree with you.
Whats the difference between me having a glider in Ohio and someone having one in Pennsylvania when its only an hour away?
I understand where the concerns from the other glider-parents are coming from, but their worries happen in every state. It would not make the glider situation worse. In fact, perhaps if PA were legal maybe gliders that needed rehomed would have somewhere to go.
I also was surprised to find that I was only the 17th to sign it. I posted it to my facebook and such and will encourage my family and friends to also sign it. Lets get this thing rolling!



Arn26:

Thank you for being so understanding...the whole 'basic' idea behind the petition is FAIRNESS. If they are legal in most states, why shouldn't they be legal in all states? Why shouldn't everyone have the same opportunity that you and I have?
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