So has any of his clients questioned him on his connection with the mills, fictitious organization and videos? There were some people on here that said they go to him and I'm curious.

If so, I sure haven't heard! Audra said she was going to ask questions but I don't know when/if she had an appointment already set.

It most definitely would be interesting to hear the answers.

In another thread one person who identified him as a patient said he admitted to her that he takes money from a mill breeder who funds his research. If you search here on "ASGV" I think you will see that thread. It is sad that mill breeders can have so much Influence.... If you get a chance, go to YouTube and search on "Mill Breeder Lies" and look at the video on Fraud / fake product review site.

I saw a post from that vet in answer to a question about choosing a breeder and he sent the person to a fake product review site that prominently features a mill breeder and trashes legitimate rescue and legitimate boards.


I warned the good doctor on his YouTube site that he was sending people to a fraudulent product review page and he deleted my post

what does that tell you?

Tells me that he doesnt manage his own youtube page, his handler does as detailed on the contract.

I wonder if the ASGV or the PPP has any place in Canada... I've never actually seen anything about them up here?

My post was also deleted on his Youtube Channel about pellets.

oh ALL my posts have been deleted, Moriko. They delete everybody's comment if it goes against him.....><

Nope never been there but he is just down the street from me.

Essika

The ASGV (association of sugar glider veterinarians) is NOT an actual association. It is a Fictitious Name registered in the State of Florida by Kathy Klunder (wife of Virgil Klunder who head Perfect Pocket Pets)

The association is a fake organization. Just a name to make their advertising using Dr. Brunst's videos look legitimate.

Someone needs to call him on his BS with a freakin' tape recorder in hand... GRRRR....

I am going to take my suggies to him for a visit... umm maybe... but give me a list of questions you would like me to ask and I will definately take it with me! I like Dr Brust.. and it just makes me mad/sad that I see these videos and what he is saying... I would be willing to drive across town just to talk to him.
Thanks to all of you who have provided so much information, including answering some of my "devils advocate" questions that I have posted!!

Wow, with all the info that was posted you want a list? OK

Ask him why he lies about sugar gliders?

Ask him why he puts his lies on Youtube?

Ask him why he is working for a mill?

Ask him why he directs people to other fictitious sites that are also filled with lies supported by the mills??

Ask him how you become a president of a fake organization?

I guess they don't check the comments on this channel http://www.youtube.com/user/thesugargliderpro They must have too many websites to keep track of all of them.

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Originally posted by Candy

Essika

The ASGV (association of sugar glider veterinarians) is NOT an actual association. It is a Fictitious Name registered in the State of Florida by Kathy Klunder (wife of Virgil Klunder who head Perfect Pocket Pets)

The association is a fake organization. Just a name to make their advertising using Dr. Brunst's videos look legitimate.

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It's a little deeper than that.

First, a fictitious name registration is not an inherently evil thing. In some states they call it a "DBA" or "Doing Business As" name. All it is - is the registration on behalf of an existing corporation, to also go by another name.

Now, with regards the timeline of what occurred, consider these public records:

the original application for the fictitious name "Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians" which was filed on July 13, 2009 with the secretary of state of Florida.



Now, a month later, here is the filing to WITHDRAW the application signed by Ms. Klunder on Oct. 19, 2009.



Here is the fairly provocative notarized statement in which Ms. Klunder testifies that the original filing was "fraudulent."

Interesting. Ostensibly, the state of Florida is to believe that perhaps someone got it in their heads that an "Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians" was a cool name to file on behalf of the Klunder's breeding operation.

Either that or maybe, just maybe (not accusing anyone of course), someone figured out a month later "Oh darn, everyone is going to know it's us behind ASGV, so we better withdraw that and then get an anonymous web domain so we can hide our intentions." This, considering the filings, is not beyond the pale of imagination.



And now this squeaky clean ".org" non-profit organization, that a breeder has disavowed any knowledge of and who has sworn under notary to the state, they had nothing to do with.... is ANONYMOUSLY registered with the internic - using a sleazeball tactic of hiding behind "Domains by Proxy" service to obscure the identity of who really owns the web site....

The only way to truly reveal the owner is by court order. And that's what it would take to prove who is really behind it. Hypothetically speaking only, I wonder what a judge would think if he or she matched a denial of registration for a certain name with who's on record as the owner of a web site with the same name. Hmmm, that would be an important discovery of fact wouldn't it? I mean only hypothetically speaking of course.

Print that out Audra and bring it to him. I'm really curious on how he became president of an organization that was fraudulently filed.

I WANT TO BE A PRESIDENT OF AN ORGINIZATION!! from now on i will be the head president of...hmm...unicorns!! any questions will be directed to me and any questions i dont know/ cant answer will be neglected/deleted! i hope my lack of information helps!! :)

ask him how long he has been working with sugar gliders and if he has done any research in college or that isnt funded by the "wal-mart" of sugar gliders.

ask him if he feels better about giving false information because he's a "vet" (thats arguable in my opinion...dont they take a vow like doctors to do the best for the animal world?) and because of his shoddy info his business increases?

ask what EXACTLY pellets offer gliders, nutritionally.

whats wrong with gliders that are rescues, they may take more work but are they fundamentally completely messed up? (hint for him: no!)

where can you purchase his books...because ive looked everywhere and havent even found proof that they exist!

how does he have time to be on all these committees and president and produce so many youtube videos? (and is he trying to become a youtube star?? nobody cares about you that much.)

ask him casually at the end if he also supports puppy mills?! and which one he would recommend...

can we start a fund so that forum members can go to the vet and hassle him?! youtube isnt getting through but he cant delete a customer in his building :) hehehe....where is he based out of anyway?


can wait for the follow up post to your visit!

Vets Pride too.

http://sunbiz.org/scripts/ficidet.exe?action=DETREG&docnum=G09000134330&rdocnum=G09000134330

I'm looking into getting 2 gliders myself and I've been researching them for weeks now. I'm glad I found this thread because I spent 30 minutes last night watching this guys videos on Youtube thinking he was a legit source of information. I did notice how alot of what he said went against what I've read about their diet.

Another question for DR. Brunst - How long has he been associated with Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians?

It would be interesting to know if his 'membership' coincides with the July 2009 creation of the fictitious name or if he claims the "association" has been in existence longer than that.

I wonder if they registered the name again in the state where Dr. Brunst operates? Do other states have similar online business records that we could search?

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I'm looking into getting 2 gliders myself and I've been researching them for weeks now. I'm glad I found this thread because I spent 30 minutes last night watching this guys videos on Youtube thinking he was a legit source of information. I did notice how alot of what he said went against what I've read about their diet.

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Please go to:

http://www.youtube.com/LuckyGliderRescue

and check out the ten videos in the series called "Debunking Sugar Glider Mill Breeder Lies"

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So has any of his clients questioned him on his connection with the mills, fictitious organization and videos? There were some people on here that said they go to him and I'm curious.

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Really?? Nobody? Hmmmmm interesting.

*****BUMP*******


Come on people!! If it was suggested that my vet was being paid by a mill for "research" and/or to push their products, I would be down at her office that day!


ANYONE!

You're right, Catman... someone needs to take the bull by the horns and confront this vet... but it also needs to be someone that can handle themselves in a professional and articulate manner. Otherwise, they are just going to get shown the door, or they are not going to ask all the questions that need to be asked, and might not call him on his own BS when he becomes evasive.

For anyone who uses this vet, he has a listing on sugargliderhelp and unlike the "fake" product review site he has pointed people too, this one actually allows customers to give ratings and reviews:

http://www.sugargliderhelp.com/links/pages/Sugar_Glider_Vet_Database/North_America/United_States/Texas/Sugar_Land/index.html

it makes you wonder since he is associated with a false company what about the other ones he's in are they false to?

It seems to me that scientific research would entail, experiments, necropscies, disections, data collected over years of observation, several different nutritional studies on many different food sources...etc. It doesn't appear to me that the good *cough* doctor has done much research. If this research exsists, where is the proof in writing? I'm sorry but the "Um" girl says just as much on her youtube videos as he does and she isn't a specialist either.

Sad to think that millions of people watch that trash and think because he is a doctor he is an authority. It sickens me to think how many sugar gliders have thus suffered for it In my opinion, he is throwing gliders in the air and watching them crash to the ground...hummm related maybe?

I agree. I watched his videos a couple weeks ago thinking its good till i found out today its all a lie and i didnt agree wth his handling skills of just grabbing them like that

I bred, hand raised, and sold birds as pets from parrokeets to African Grey Parrots, had my breeders license, and my name. That does not make me an authority on birds nor does it make me an expert. Although I know a lot about their nutrition and I can give lessens on how to handfeed babies no bigger then a pea, I did none of the scientific studies therefore none of this makes me a know it all or an authority.

I want to see solid writen proof of his research, and that means research done by a team of scientists, not one man thinking he knows it all because he has taken care of them...Where's the proof man?

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I guess they don't check the comments on this channel http://www.youtube.com/user/thesugargliderpro They must have too many websites to keep track of all of them.

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From looking at the channel, noone has logged in for the past six months.

That post was 8 months old ;)