I've emailed the questions from this thread to Mr. Rich to get his advice and input.

I refuse to get into a "just because you don't like ...." debate over this! That's not the point at all. This isn't about who likes whom or a popularity contest!

As far as testing and proof - why would someone trust a layperson in America over a team of scientists (of varying specialties) who study the nutrition needs of marsupials in Australia? I've been floundering on feeding my gliders for a very long time. Trying to do what's best, but having so much different input as to what "best" is. That's why I decided to contact the Wombaroo company. Because, to me, people who have been studying the nutritional needs of BOTH wild and captive marsupials, in addition to supplying consulting information to zoos all over Australia and in other countries, would probably be the best person to answer the many questions I've had.

Do we have to feed them the flora from Australia? I don't think so. I think we have plenty of options here in the US to enrich their diet. There are many edible plants, trees, flowers, etc.

As for the milk thistle - there are powder and liquid supplements in the drug store. I get mine at the grocery store. Again, I am adding it because I have rescues here who came in with untold dietary trauma. I know one was eating apple slices and cheerios for roughly 3-5 years. I don't know what the horrible diets do to internal organs, but I do know that Val has mentioned necropsy results which mention liver failure/ damage/ etc.

The Mazuri Insectivore is available here: http://www.mazuri.com/insectivore.aspx Again - I asked Mr. Rich to evaluate the various "pellets" that are available for gliders/ insectivores in the US. He commented on Exotic Nutrition, ZooKeeper's Secret, and Mazuri. He liked the balance and ingredients in Mazuri best, although commented it was low in protein.

Hopefully the Wombaroo Small Carnivore will be available in the US in a couple months, so I'm only mentioning the Mazuri Insectivore as a fill-in.

Interesting. Thank you for the information!

That pellet makes me itchy, the first thing listed is by-products. I know we have pelleted food available that doesn't have by-products and icky stuff in it, so I wonder if maybe one of those will turn out to be better?

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<br />Why after 10 years of trusting the use of the Original HPW diet is this now being looked into? Seems to me it was brought up now only because of a new diet using 3 letters and the creator not being well liked by SOME.
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Peggy was feeding BML in 2005 according to her own posts on GC so definitely not 10 years.
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Maybe you should read this thread. www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/44784/High_Protein_Supplement#Post44784
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That would be 7 years ago...not 10.

Fox - I asked him to evaluate those three. You can certainly email him with other suggestions. His email address is Wombaroo/Passwell <wombaroo@adelaide.on.net> and I've warned him he may be swamped!

From the Wombaroo web site:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Apart from selling products to wildlife carers, aviculturists and animal breeders, we also supply specially formulated milk products for animal studies to the Department of Paediatrics at Flinders University, University of Sydney, Westmead Hospital, The Children’s Hospital Research Institute, and the Women’s and Children’s Hospital Adelaide. We have supplied individual researchers at the University of Tasmania, University of New England, Australian National University, Adelaide University, Flinders University and Charles Sturt University with animal and bird foods for their particular studies.

We have supplied specialised bird foods and advice to the following recovery programs, the Black Stilt in New Zealand, the Magpie Robin in The Seychelles, the Regent Honeyeater in New South Wales, the Helmeted Honeyeater in Victoria, the Black-eared Miner in South Australia and the Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoo in South Australia.

We have supplied milk replacers to the World Society for the Protection of Animals for orphaned Orang-utans in Borneo, Taman Safari for Sumartran Tigers and to the Northern Hairy-nose Wombat recovery program.

Our Lorikeet & Honeyeater Food, Insectivore Rearing Mix, Finch Soft Food and Parrot Pellets & Crumbles are used extensively as maintenance diets at institutions such as Taronga Zoo, Adelaide Zoo, Currumbin Bird Park, Gorge Wildlife Park, Territory Wildlife Park, Healesville Sanctuary, Department of Conservation and local councils.

We are continuing our research into the nutritional requirements of captive and wild birds and animals and have developed several products specifically for zoos and captive breeding programs. Some of the above organisations have assisted us by trialing these new products.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Wombaroo Passwell has been doing this since 1984. That's a good bit longer than 10 years.

Thank you Alden....may I ask, where in the grocery store would I find Milk Thistle? Vitamin section?

I did order some Insectavore-Fare, Monkey Biscuits, & Jungle Juice from EN today. Not sure if I'll use it but I think I wanna give it a try as PART of their diet. They just aren't eating the OHPW like they used to so it's worrying me.

Posted this on Glider Central. Thought I'd share here, as well. This is a response to the questions and discussions going on in that forum.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And, how do we know that is only being fed to wild gliders? And why would they BE feeding wild gliders who can forage for their own food? That is why I asked, how many gliders and under what circumstances. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Wild gliders? No... I don't think the Wombaroo company skips around the Out-Back sprinkling their powder. Thank you, Dancing, for recognizing that would be a bit incredulous. From their website:

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Apart from selling products to wildlife carers, aviculturists and animal breeders, we also supply specially formulated milk products for animal studies to the Department of Paediatrics at Flinders University, University of Sydney, Westmead Hospital, The Children’s Hospital Research Institute, and the Women’s and Children’s Hospital Adelaide. We have supplied individual researchers at the University of Tasmania, University of New England, Australian National University, Adelaide University, Flinders University and Charles Sturt University with animal and bird foods for their particular studies.

We have supplied specialised bird foods and advice to the following recovery programs, the Black Stilt in New Zealand, the Magpie Robin in The Seychelles, the Regent Honeyeater in New South Wales, the Helmeted Honeyeater in Victoria, the Black-eared Miner in South Australia and the Yellow-tailed Black Cockatoo in South Australia.

We have supplied milk replacers to the World Society for the Protection of Animals for orphaned Orang-utans in Borneo, Taman Safari for Sumartran Tigers and to the Northern Hairy-nose Wombat recovery program.

Our Lorikeet & Honeyeater Food, Insectivore Rearing Mix, Finch Soft Food and Parrot Pellets & Crumbles are used extensively as maintenance diets at institutions such as Taronga Zoo, Adelaide Zoo, Currumbin Bird Park, Gorge Wildlife Park, Territory Wildlife Park, Healesville Sanctuary, Department of Conservation and local councils.

We are continuing our research into the nutritional requirements of captive and wild birds and animals and have developed several products specifically for zoos and captive breeding programs. Some of the above organisations have assisted us by trialing these new products.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If you'd like more specifics, please contact them and ask! The email I've used is: Wombaroo/Passwell <wombaroo@adelaide.on.net>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Are there tests and studies for this diet that can be viewed for captive bred/raised gliders?

Why after 10 years of trusting the use of the Original HPW diet is this now being looked into? Seems to me it was brought up now only because of a new diet using 3 letters and the creator not being well liked by SOME.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Are there tests and studies for O-HPW??

And yes, there are. You are also welcome to contact the Wombaroo Passwell company at the email address listed. Or call them! They've been doing this since <b>1984</b>, which is a lot longer than 10 (or in the case of HPW, SEVEN) years.

You want to accuse me of making this personal? That's rather juvenile. My interest is in feeding my sugar gliders. I'm not a fan boi unlike SOME.
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There will be those that see this Wambaroo HPS diet as the "next great thing" but how long has this been fed and to how many gliders in what circumstances? And how will not having native Australian flora effect the diet if we try to follow it here?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I'm willing to convey these questions to Mr. Rich, and already have. Again, you can ask him yourself! I'm not trying to be a MouthPiece ... I am simply sharing legwork and questioning I have done and the answers I received. I know, Dancing, that you love Reep's and I respect that. I'm not asking anyone to jump on this bandwagon. Feed what you feel comfortable feeding!
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However this time, we also work with a Nutritionist/Chemist. Keep in mind we are working with CAPTIVE/PET gliders, not wild ones. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
It is great that you have a Nutritionist/ Chemist. That's excellent input to have in any diet formulation. The Wombaroo Family is made up of a biochemist, a hospital scientist specialising in microbiology and haematology, a pathologist, an ornithologist and aviculturist, and a Chemical Engineer. That's just in the Rich Family. Not counting the people they hire or veterinarians they work with.

And again - look at the list of Zoos. I'm not seeing any "wild gliders."

Again - I'm not attempting to be a Mouthpiece. If the diet interests you, as it did me, contact Wombaroo and ask your questions yourself! I found it to be educational.

I asked him about Happy Glider and Wholesome Balance. We'll see what he says!

Alden, are you now feeding this HPS Wombaroo Diet System rather than Original HPW?

Do you feel that he was providing a simplified fruit and vegetable list, since he did use the word variety I am assuming his examples where just that and not restrictions?

If you are now feeding this diet will you be adding flowers and live insects to your glider's diet plan?


Thanks for posting, very lovely and interesting information!

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<br />Alden, are you now feeding this HPS Wombaroo Diet System rather than Original HPW? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I was feeding an Original HPW with my own modifications. I've been contemplating that for some time, and that's why I contacted Wombaroo. I am in the process of transitioning to this diet.

Additionally, and separately, I am thinking of going to a "summer rich/winter poor" diet for my gliders. So in the spring I'll gradually begin to increase their insects and start offering more flowers. In the fall, I'll begin to taper those down. I'll also not heat the glider room quite as high in the winter. I'm hoping that will put them on a more natural schedule - not having joeys from back to back. I'm not sure at this point if I'll have one or two breeding pairs, but I think all the gliders would benefit from this.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Do you feel that he was providing a simplified fruit and vegetable list, since he did use the word variety I am assuming his examples where just that and not restrictions? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
He didn't provide a list. He did mention they provide more fruits then vegetables, since that's what his gliders seem to prefer. It has been mentioned to me that perhaps our gliders tend to not eat fruit because they are already getting so much honey? I don't know. I'm going to offer an increased variety of both fruits and vegetables and see what they eat!
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If you are now feeding this diet will you be adding flowers and live insects to your glider's diet plan? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Prior to contacting Wombaroo, I had thought many times that meal worms were insufficient for an animal that spends at least 6 months of the year being primarily insectivorious. To that end, I began breeding feeder roaches. My gliders now get superworms, mealworms, and feeder roaches each night. I'm in the process of increasing their bug amount - as mentioned above. I still don't feel I can offer them the huge variety of insects they'd need for it to be complete, balanced and healthy. So, I'll be ordering the Small Insectivore food when I am able. In the meantime, I'm currently using SunCoast's chicken and brown rice, combined with Happy Glider and Mazuri Insectivore diet. I have left pellets in my gliders' cages at all times for a while now. Some never touch them, some love them. I've been experimenting with a variety of higher-quality pellets, and that's why I have these 3 on hand.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Thanks for posting, very lovely and interesting information!
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Thank you for your kind comments and questions! You are very welcome!

To clarify - this is all that he said about the fruits and vegetables:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Fruit & Vegetables (75% of diet)
These are offered as a major carbohydrate (energy) source in the diet. Sugar Gliders are able to readily digest both simple sugars and complex carbohydrates4. Fruits tend to be more palatable than vegetables due to higher sugar content. We generally feed about 75% fruit and 25% vegetables but this can vary based on seasonal availability and animal preference. A large variety of fresh fruits may be accepted including (and not limited to) berries, apple, pear, citrus, stone fruits, rockmelon (cantaloupe) with seeds, paw paw (papaya) with seeds. Likewise an assortment of vegetables may be offered including cucumber with seeds, sweet potato and grated carrot. As long as these foods are supplemented with the recommended amount of Wombaroo High protein Supplement (HPS) then all essential nutrients are properly balanced. There is little need to be concerned about the calcium to phosphorus ratio of individual food items as this is balanced out by the addition of the HPS.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I ordered the powder from thepamperedglider.com today around 10am and received an email 20 minutes later telling me that it had shipped! Hopefully it will come in the mail by Monday so that I can start feeding it to my girls. I'll start taking before and after pictures of their fur to see I get any results.

The diet Gordon Rich provided was as he said it was not a Wombaroo approved diet, but one diet that is being fed here that is incorporating Wombaroo HPS in the actual diet. Many sugar glider diets here do not include Wombaroo HPS. I feed and have been feeding Wombaroo High Protein Supplement within my overall diet for many years now just not in the amounts prescribed by the US HPW diet recipe.


Wombaroo contacted me and said they had a lot of interest from the USA about glider diets and they were asking us aussies what we fed so they could share as some guidelines. Obviously Alden, you are one of those interested Americans

I can't see anything wrong with the sample diet provided as Gordon emailed but want to point out, with this diet, no honey so a lot more fruits can be used in the diet and that is something that needs to be taken into account. I also use an artificial nectar mix which incorporates honey so my gliders as a rule do not eat fruit since they are getting enough sugars from the artificial nectar mix. They eat a lot of raw vegetables instead. I have tried small carnivore mix over the years too though generally my gliders are spoilt and love the meatloaf I make them and rarely eat much of the small carnivore mix. However some people here combine the small carivore mix with the artificial nectar mix successfully. There are a lot of combos out there.

Funny enough, though I don't feed a diet like the sample Gordon has mentioned,my gliders and possums also get several times weekly.. arrowroot biscuits. My mother used to feed her rehab gliders and possums and they loved them so my guys get them too.

As for pollen, I only feed a few granules per animal three times a week as does the Healesville Sanctuary.

Also want to add that Wombaroo has been in the business for a very long time and know their stuff. They are also generous with their time and information. They will give detail when other companies don't and I hope that everyone uses this information in a beneficial way so lines of communication remain open down the track.

Ko, can you put a typical feeding on here for your gliders?

Is there a substitute for the arrowroot cookies? Those puppies are $42 for 6 cookies!!!! I don't think so!

Can these arrowroot cookies be used? Not sure if they are the same as the others, just marketed for babies or are they totally a different thing?

http://www.vitacost.com/Healthy-Times-Arrowroot-Cookies?csrc=SDC-048685000090&srccode=cii_13736960&cpncode=30-37361663-2

Ok, sorry...me again.

Based on ing. alone...which one would you choose?

Wheat Flour,Sugar ,Vegetable Oil ,Arrowroot (2.5%) ,Partially Inverted Sugar Syrup ,Barley Malt Extract ,Salt ,Raising Agents (Sodium Bicarbonate,Ammonium Bicarbonate).

<b>OR</b>

Organic whole oat flour, organic whole grain barley flour, organic cold pressed safflower oil and/or organic sunflower oil, organic evaporated unrefined cane juice, organic unsulphured molasses, organic arrowroot flour, natural flavors, aluminum free baking soda, mixed tocopherols (vitamin E).

Jazz what are the above references (ingredients) for?

I with you about the price of those arrow root cookies. Thus why I feed the monkey biscuits. I don't know if this is an "approved" substitution but the diet I follow uses them and has for many years.

I believe that a reference was made about the iron content in the arrowroot babies cookies you can get at the grocery store. I am going to compare the iron in those, some that are at the healthfood store and the ones you listed. Any input from anyone would be very welcome.

To clarify, I am not changing my diet based upon this posting. I am "coming out of the closet" on the diet issue/debate and openly discussing the modified OHPW diet I have been using successfully for awhile. As I already stated, I tried other "approved" "tried and tested" diets and my gliders weren't eating them and their health was suffering. I researched until I was blue in the face and found the website of a breeder using successfully for years the diet I use now. The modifications aren't drastic, they are the same ones used by many that feed HPW plus, complete, etc to the best of my knowledge from reading on the forums.

Yes, I leave the Mazuri 5MA5 pellets out daily for my gliders and feed them monkey biscuits. They are replaced daily with fresh pellets. This is not their STAPLE diet. They are grazers. They eat, sleep, eat, play, etc even at night. I don't want to leave fresh fruit, veggies and OHPW out all day for them. I don't want them hungry. I don't feel they are grazing during the day because they don't get enough protein in the staple diet. I feel they are just like other animals/humans. Some eat 3 balanced meals a day, others eat 5-6 small balanced meals a day, other eat crappy diets. My gliders are eating balanced and healthy diets IMO. I didn't invent this diet or make up a new modification of OHPW. I am not jumping on a new diet band wagon either. Like I said, I pretty much stay silent on the forums. I enjoy reading and learning but just don't voice my opinions very often. That is just my personality.

I am very appreciative to Alden and all who can discuss diets in a calm and civilized manner and act like adults and not insult or demean others because they don't agree with what YOU feed.

Instead of arrowroot cookies, you can purchase tea biscuits. You can get them from the grocery store for fairly cheap.
OHPW isn't a bad diet. I considered going with OHPW, but it's just that the Ca:P ratios are <1:1. The amount of protein in OHPW is <0.4 grams of protein, so a calcium supplement along with extra protein added would be ideal for HPW. It just needs to be modified.

Gerber has the Arrowroot cookies and Suz/Karen mentioned last night that yogurt could also be used until the other food is made available.

Kris, I went ahead and just started a whole new thread about those ing.

And Ko, a sample or name of your nectar mix would be great. Mine aren't eating any fruit. No matter what I put in and I've tried it all different ways.... diced, smushed, blended. A variety to they can pick and choose,...only one so they don't have a choice and have to eat what's there.

Well they proved me wrong...they do have a choice! They just won't eat it!

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Are there tests and studies for O-HPW??<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If you are referring to the Original HPW diet recipe developed by Peggy - then you would need to get that information from her.

The makers of Wombaroo High Protein Supplement have nothing to do with that recipe or any testing for that specific combination of ingredients.


Fox0r: <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I asked him about Happy Glider and Wholesome Balance. We'll see what he says!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Likewise - why ask an Australian company for information on products that are not theirs?


As for the Arrowroot cookies - has anyone asked for the EXACT Brand they use in Australia? Are they using a product made for human consumption? Or is he actually referring to a product made specifically for feeding animals (like "monkey biscuits")

Before you jump into trying to replicate a diet based on his suggestions, make sure you are all talking about the same products.

As for me, I am sticking with my own feeding plan - which is basically the suggestion someone just made about using the Original HPW with additional protein and added calcium. My feeding plan is on my web page. http://www.gliderkids.com/Feeding.html

Candy, this is the link Alden provided for the arrowroot cookies.

http://tinyurl.com/8yy8ozm

These are human consumption cookies. AND EXPENSIVE!

I'm gonna hop over and take a look at your diet now. I may be back with questions.


Candy, I have to say...I am impressed! I absolutely love how you've offered so many choices and you have all the dietary info. as well as Ca:P ratios all worked out.

I am floundering right now with diet because my gang just won't eat their OHPW anymore. I have 5 now...I made up 2 kitchens lastnight, putting 2 tbsp. of HPW in one and 2 in the other. Diced up one lg. strawberry between the 2 as well as about 4 small pieces each of a colby-jack cheese. For 5 gliders that HPW should have been gone...it was nearly untouched, they didn't touch the strawberry but they ate all but one tiny square of the cheese.

I am interested in the info. Alden has provided because I really want to keep HPWS in their diet but I am a bit confused as to whether or not it will offer all of the nutritional value they need. That is no fault of Aldens, this is nothing she has invented, she's just passing on the info. from Wombaroo which I appreciate.

I have ordered monkey biscuits and Small Insectavore-Fare but will obviously have to wait for delivery. And I'm still up in the air about the arrowroot cookies...trying to figure out if these $40 something for 6 cookies things are the only ones that can be used...

I am hitting the store today so I do think I may try one of your recipes and see if they like it. I'll definately be singing your praises if I can get them to eat it. Thank you so much again.

Those cookies are made in Canada?

Before choosing a "cookie" to feed to our gliders, I would get more specific information about what is actually being used in Australia - or at least a copy of the ingredients.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by JazzNZoeysmom</i>
<br /> Is there a substitute for the arrowroot cookies? Those puppies are $42 for 6 cookies!!!! I don't think so!
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They are $44 for TWELVE 8-oz packages on Amazon. Not $42 for 6 cookies. That breaks down to $3.67 per 8-oz package.

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<br /> Can these arrowroot cookies be used? Not sure if they are the same as the others, just marketed for babies or are they totally a different thing?

http://www.vitacost.com/Healthy-Times-Arrowroot-Cookies?csrc=SDC-048685000090&srccode=cii_13736960&cpncode=30-37361663-2
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This breaks down to $3.14 per 5 oz package. The one I posted was actually more reasonably priced.

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<br />Gerber has the Arrowroot cookies and Suz/Karen mentioned last night that yogurt could also be used until the other food is made available.
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No, he specifically said NOT fortified for babies. Gerber specifically is what I asked him about and the Iron content was too high.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Candy</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Are there tests and studies for O-HPW??<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If you are referring to the Original HPW diet recipe developed by Peggy - then you would need to get that information from her. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Yes I know, Candy. I was answering a question. I was challenged to provide Tests and Studies for this diet. The makers of Wombaroo DO have those, and make them available. Unlike the "studies" for Peggy's diet, which has not been made available when asked.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Candy</i>
<br />Fox0r: <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I asked him about Happy Glider and Wholesome Balance. We'll see what he says!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Likewise - why ask an Australian company for information on products that are not theirs? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Because he has vast experience both of his own and of his company's available to him on the nutritional needs of marsupials. He can analyze dietary information for us, regardless of where it is made.


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Candy</i>
<br />As for the Arrowroot cookies - has anyone asked for the EXACT Brand they use in Australia? Are they using a product made for human consumption? Or is he actually referring to a product made specifically for feeding animals (like "monkey biscuits") <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Yes, Candy. I did ask that information. I specifically, in fact, clarified that he was not using monkey biscuits, but rather what we call cookies, although not fortified for infants or toddlers.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Candy</i>
[brBefore you jump into trying to replicate a diet based on his suggestions, make sure you are all talking about the same products.

As for me, I am sticking with my own feeding plan - which is basically the suggestion someone just made about using the Original HPW with additional protein and added calcium. My feeding plan is on my web page. http://www.gliderkids.com/Feeding.html <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

As you said on GC, this is another dietary option. If you like it, feed it. If you do research and find you don't like it, don't feed it. It isn't a replacement for any of the existing diets. Although, it has been used longer, and is more proven than any diet offerings I previously knew about.

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Do you feel that he was providing a simplified fruit and vegetable list, since he did use the word variety I am assuming his examples where just that and not restrictions?
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He didn't provide a list. He did mention they provide more fruits then vegetables, since that's what his gliders seem to prefer. It has been mentioned to me that perhaps our gliders tend to not eat fruit because they are already getting so much honey? I don't know. I'm going to offer an increased variety of both fruits and vegetables and see what they eat!
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My question is can we use the approved fruits & veges listed in other web pages? Such as Error, missing URL. f

Yes - he specifically said you can feed any combination of fruits and vegetables that are safe for gliders.

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Based on the healesville sanctuary diet using a few small mods of my own as discussed with my Vet whose special interest is in exotic and australian wildlife nutrition. Happy to discuss various aspects of it if you see me in chat but these days like to avoid the heated debates where possible.


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Is there a substitute for the arrowroot cookies? Those puppies are $42 for 6 cookies!!!! I don't think so!
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I offer arrowroot biscuits as more of an enrichment treat than a dietary supplement knowing that they are glider safe. The packs we get here are 20 biscuits for just over $1.10 so nothing high range or anything. Great with coffee or used for making cheesecake bases for the cooking junkies here.

Thank you Ko, and I totally understand. I don't get into chat much and can't seem to pull a PM for you so if you're ok with it I'll just leave my email here and you can touch base when you have the time.

Thanks so much....

lyndiaroot333@gmail.com

Alden, they did a demo of the diet right in front of us last night, using the Gerber.

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Who did???? Details Details Please!!!!