Draoi81 Joey  USA
16 Posts
I plan to get two females gliders in August as this is when I expect to have the funds available to purchase them. I intend to purchase one Black Baby and one White face. I'm wondering if either of these would have the potential to produce platinum mosaic offspring if I decided to take them to a PM stud later on?
Draoi81 Joey USA 16 Posts Not trolling. Sorry. Yes, I realize it's Black Beauty. Derp moment there. Otherwise, the question about genetics is legit. I would assume that all gliders inherently have the necessary genes. Also, I understand that Platinum Mosaic males "typically" turn out sterile. To my understanding, though, there have been some that are fully fertile. *Edit* - On second thought; is studding not possible due to the bonding processes? DoubleBogey Fuzzy Wuzzy  USA 1244 Posts Couple of thoughts - 1) If you REALLY want a platinum mosaic, just buy one. I can PROMISE you it is MUCH much more expensive to try to "breed that special color that you are just dying to have". Hets and odds do NOT always work out to your favor and depending on who you buy from (if they are not reputable), you could end up with some bunk lineage and get different results than you anticipate anyway. 2) No, studding is NOT advisable and I honestly think it's cruel. Dad's play a big big part in raising the joeys and lower stress on the mom's by helping, etc. Have you ever seen a glider breed? It's not all that pretty...I imagine it helps to not be as "vicious" if they love each other already....at least..."know" each other. 3) It sounds like you are new to gliders, I do NOT advise someone new to gliders to jump in to breeding. There is SO much you still have to learn about the animals period, ya know? Plus, new owners have a REALLY high rehoming rate in the first 6-12 months. It's a good bit of work and not for everyone. I would research gliders in general, feel good about your knowledge base, and then purchase two non-breeding gliders. Spend a good amount of time learning those gliders and understanding proper care and "what to do in ____________ situation" before taking any further steps. 4) While you are in the stages above, work on that "vet fund". You need to have some money set aside for emergencies and this will also give you time. It's not a guarantee but odds are higher that you will have more "vet situations" with breeding gliders than non-breeding gliders simply because of the increased number of gliders, increased risk for mating wounds, rejected joeys, etc. If I have assumed anything wrong here, correct me. I am only able to go on what your posts have in it. Also, none of what I said above is meant to be offensive, just trying to net out the points of concern quickly. Hope it helps! Draoi81 Joey USA 16 Posts quote:
Originally posted by DoubleBogey
Couple of thoughts -
1) If you REALLY want a platinum mosaic, just buy one. I can PROMISE you it is MUCH much more expensive to try to "breed that special color that you are just dying to have". Hets and odds do NOT always work out to your favor and depending on who you buy from (if they are not reputable), you could end up with some bunk lineage and get different results than you anticipate anyway.
2) No, studding is NOT advisable and I honestly think it's cruel. Dad's play a big big part in raising the joeys and lower stress on the mom's by helping, etc. Have you ever seen a glider breed? It's not all that pretty...I imagine it helps to not be as "vicious" if they love each other already....at least..."know" each other.
3) It sounds like you are new to gliders, I do NOT advise someone new to gliders to jump in to breeding. There is SO much you still have to learn about the animals period, ya know? Plus, new owners have a REALLY high rehoming rate in the first 6-12 months. It's a good bit of work and not for everyone. I would research gliders in general, feel good about your knowledge base, and then purchase two non-breeding gliders. Spend a good amount of time learning those gliders and understanding proper care and "what to do in ____________ situation" before taking any further steps.
4) While you are in the stages above, work on that "vet fund". You need to have some money set aside for emergencies and this will also give you time. It's not a guarantee but odds are higher that you will have more "vet situations" with breeding gliders than non-breeding gliders simply because of the increased number of gliders, increased risk for mating wounds, rejected joeys, etc.
If I have assumed anything wrong here, correct me. I am only able to go on what your posts have in it. Also, none of what I said above is meant to be offensive, just trying to net out the points of concern quickly. Hope it helps!
Your reply is much more acceptable. Thank you. I don't plan on jumping into breeding at all. I was merely theorizing on a, possible, less expensive route to a PM. I've no intention of dropping $3k on an animal with my current income and it sounds that the studding idea was horribly ascue. I will just remain a "kiddy at the window".  I've got 2 more months of studying to get all of the details worked out. It's taken me about a week to get past the less than reputable videos and such. I feel that I'm in a safe place, information-wise, with this forum. Thanks again for your "non-flaming" response. Felix Draoi81 Joey USA 16 Posts quote:
Originally posted by Tigerlily88
You need to do much, much, much more research before you even begin to think about breeding, and quite honestly if your income is prohibitive of you spending $3000 on a single purchase at the moment, then breeding sugar gliders is not the activity for you. Aside from the fact that you're looking to breed one of the rarest color varieties, you can easily spend that much money in a short period of time on vet bills from mating wounds, pouch infections, caring for rejected joeys, etc.
I don't plan on jumping into breeding at all. valkyriemome Goofy Gorillatoes USA 3479 Posts I'm sorry for my response. We do get a lot of trolls on here, and they tend to ask the kinds of questions designed to make people angry. Since your question seems nonsensical to anyone with the most basic of glider genetic information, I thought you must be joking. Regardless, I encourage you to do considerable more research - and you will find out how off-base your question is with very little effort. A Black Beauty and a White Face can only produce Black Beauties, White Faces, and Standard Grays. To produce a mosaic, at least one of the parents has to be a mosaic. There is no way of guaranteeing mosaic coloring - all color variations are possible. If you want a platinum-colored mosaic, you should probably buy one. Because even if one of the parents is a platinum-colored mosaic, you might not get platinum-colored mosaic joeys. If you are seeking a True Platinum mosaic, that is a different color variety all together, and extremely difficult to breed for. It isn't something I could casually explain. You'd need a great deal more foundation in your understanding. It is completely untrue to say that Platinum Mosaic males are typically sterile. There ARE sterile line mosaics, and any breeder would be best to steer completely clear of those. Since there are NON-sterile lines, most reputable breeders chose those as their foundation stock. Your question about "Stud service" for gliders has already been answered. I hope you now realize what a deeply horrible idea that would be. You'd be more likely to end up with cannibalized joeys.
Draoi81 Joey USA 16 Posts quote:
Originally posted by valkyriemome
Are you serious?
Have you done any research at all?
You have to be a troll....
Now that I have had time to calm down from this reply; I would like to take a moment to provide some "Constructive Criticism" in regards to this reply to my question. I am fully familiar with trolls and their antics having dealt with my fair share of them in the past. From past experience, when I initially read your reply, I thought your post was a troll directed at me. Had I been fully educated, versed, and otherwise knowledgeable of gliders; I wouldn't have joined a forum to learn more about them. If, in the technical assistance I provide to my customers, I had provided an initial response to their inquiry about thier "cup holders" (yes, this is a real scenario and much less common as it once was) that was on par with yours; I would be dealing with an escalation call immediately. If, I provided your style of response to the customers that ask me why their computers are slower than when they purchased it, I would get no where. Instead, I decide to educate must customers to the fact that computers are a modern day "pet". I liken the procedure of clearing cache and cookies to giving a dog a bath. With a statement that goes along these lines, "What happens if you don't clean and care for your dog? It will typically get sick and begin to exhibit symptoms of their ailment. The same holds true for a computer. Clearing cache and cookies is only part of the cleaning requirements for a computer. You may also need to use a can of air to clear any dust from inside the case of your computer as well as run a defragment on the harddrive from time to time. It will also help if you delete any files from the computer that you no longer use nor need. These are some simple tips that, if followed, will help keep your computer running smoother and quicker for longer periods of time." Just as many members of this forum, possibly including yourself, may not be aware of the computer related information that I have posted in the above paragraph. I am not fully aware of the procedures, habits, nuances, and all around detailed information pertaining to Gliders. That's why I joined these forums; to learn. Not, to be flamed, trolled, chastised, or berated for my lack of knowledge. I have to wonder if a lot of the people you think to be trolls are in-fact people that have had a legitimate question but turned into a troll when a response, much like the one given to me, has been sent their way. Please, keep this information in mind when members, especially new members, join to ask what they feel to be legitimate questions. Test the water first, don't come out "fists flying" from the start. Kind regards, Felix Draoi81 Joey USA 16 Posts This may be why this particular forum is dwindling in numbers and the "other" forum is growing rapidly. Life is a customer service call center. You are being paid to be nice, whether it consists of monetary value or not, in everything you do. Notice, for example, the lengthy reply; this is your payment for the "customer service" you chose to present. But, I'm done, I'm not oblivious to the fact that you're unable to glean the true meaning of my previous message anymore than you're able to refrain from flaming.
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