I woke up to that scene this morning was sure WASN'T prepared. I'm holding the boy now. What do I do? Why did they do this?

It sounds like the parents rejected the babies, this could happen for several reasons. Was this their first litter? Sometimes, when mothers breed for the first time - they don't know what to expect or "aren't ready," this could result in rejected babies. They could also reject them if the mother doesn't think she will be able to support them (not enough milk being produced or not enough necessary nutrients in the diet). What diet do you feed? It could also just be due to stress, when did you get the Gliders? How long have they been with you? I'm assuming this hasn't happened before??...

When did the babies come out of pouch, assuming they were already out of pouch? I just want you to be prepared, saving rejected babies is really difficult, especially if they weren't ready to come out of pouch yet or were just a couple weeks out of pouch - you should certainly try, but there is no guarantee. I would strongly urge you to visit this website... Do you have a rejected joey kit on hand??...

www.suzsugargliders.com

Click on "Handraising a Joey"

Lauren Elizabeth
Sugar Shock Gliders & Boutique

P.S. If you need immediate help or a quicker response, feel free to text or call me at (561) 613-1573, I will try to help you to the best of my abilities but there are many, many members here who are more experienced than me when it comes to saving rejected babies (thank god, I've never had to do it). Suz Enyedy is definitely one of them (the owner of that website). I am not sure if she's available by phone but I've reached her via Facebook on several occasions when I've had questions. I hope this helps you.

If you need any help let me know I think you are in Connecticut also.

"Wow! You confused me as I have not yet studied sugar genetics. We bought our pair and knew they weren't related so it didn't really matter to me.

I love platinums. They are amazing. If you have a boy, what would you sell it for? I'm interested in finding a platinum to breed to one of my babies out of our current pair. Their next joeys should be OOP about the same time as yours.

Also, the people we bought them from ( this is their 3rd set of joeys) said that they rejected their first set. They were then raised successfully until time to be sold."

I found this post from you in another thread - is the breeding pair that rejected THESE babies the same breeding pair that rejected their first litter? If so, I really would consider having the male neutered as something is definitely going on and it's not worth putting the babies at risk (in my opinion). Also, I would urge that you DO begin researching genetics - it's super important when breeding. I'm assuming that you do not have lineage on this pair (based on the post, please correct me if I am wrong). Without lineage, there is no guarantee that they are NOT related... Maybe that's why they are rejecting babies? I'm not saying it's what happened, but it is always a possibility without knowing the lineage of the Gliders involved. Did you get them from a reputable breeder? If so, you may want to ask if they have the lineage. If there is no lineage, these two SHOULD NOT be breeding. Period.

Just on a side note, the chances of someone selling you a Platinum to pair with a Sugar Glider that does not have proper, documented (TPG) lineage is slim to none. Also, the majority of people who are interested in Platinum Gliders (in my opinion), are going to want to breed them and a Platinum is not cheap - who is going to want to pay for a Platinum without lineage? Hopefully they would be smart enough to realize they shouldn't be breeding without lineage too. Just something for you to think about... =)

This is their 3rd litter, but this was the first with us. We have had them a month. The babies are not quite 1 week yet and the boy I have now came OOP Monday. I feed a 50:25:25 ratio. And was going to switch to A true diet plan when the joeys were older. This is the same thing they were fed at their last home.


I'm in TN

I certainly am going to neuter now. We didn't have Any lineage on them but we're told they were unrelated.


On the platinum, I was going to find a female with a solid lineage.

It may be their first litter with you, but as you have stated... It's NOT their first litter and they have rejected two out of the three litters they have had... Something is obviously wrong here and I still believe that neutering the male will be the most responsible option. Without proper lineage, you just can't know for SURE that they are unrelated (even if the breeder claims that they are)... It's just not a risk worth taking.

It's great that you want to find a Platinum female with good lineage, but it is equally important that you breed her to a male that also has good lineage and is compatible - keep that in mind. You should research genetics and breeding as much as you possibly can (and you can never do it enough)... It's really interesting and as I mentioned before, it is necessary.

I would recommend starting them on a proven Sugar Glider diet as soon as possible, even if they will no longer be breeding. I would recommend the original HPW, BML or The Priscilla Price Diet. There is a lot of information regarding diet and nutrition available on GliderCentral (I will provide the link below). You should look there, there are many options available to you... You should be able to find one that will work.

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Awe - I'm so sorry!!! Definitely go to Suz's site and get all the supplies you need to hand raise the joey.
It really ticks me off that people rehome their gliders while the female is pregnant. Moving to a new home and new family can be quite stressfull and it really increases the risk of canabalization or rejection.

Again, I'm really sorry for what you're going thru - please keep us posted:)

Got all the stuff for joey BML. Feeding now.

Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions and do keep us posted. =)

How do I get him to open his mouth? I don't think he's to hungry though. He has a full belly and isn't crying. I'm using the smallest syringe I could find. Don't want to hurt the little guy. His eyes aren't even open!

He's very playful. I can't get him to stand still!,,







- On a side note, Sadie, his sister, was 1 week OOP today.

How can I get him to open his mouth for the food?

I just got the text message - I will respond there.

okay...stop what you are doing right now...

you are going to make that joey sick/very ill trying to feed it a full mix..give me a sec to type up what you need to do

Lauren...I suggest you back the heck off if you want that joey to have ANY chance at all!!

He's not getting the full mix. As of right now, he's only had it on his lips. .25 ml

I could be wrong, but I think joey bml is for older joeys. You really need to go to suz's site - there's a video on how to hand feed as well.
Here's the link to the joey formualahttp://www.suzsugargliders.com/joey-formula

And here's the mix:

For the first 24 hours, you will need to feed the joey plain, unflavored Pedialyte. This is because most joeys are already dehydrated by the time rejection is noticed. After that, you will need to feed Joey Formula. To prevent bloating, you will need to gradually switch over to the formula as follows:

Day 1: 25% replacement formula, 75% Pedialyte

Day 2: 50% replacement formula, 50% Pedialyte

Day 3: 75% replacement formula, 25% Pedialyte

Day 4: 100% replacement formula



And then if you click on the link for rejected joeys at the top, you'll find the rest of the information. Don't forget too that you need to stimulate the joey to potty -

I directed him to Suz website for information, I'm only providing support.

What did I do wrong? The last time I checked, that was a reputable source for information on rejected babies - and as I stated above, I do not have experience with rejection and I did inform him that there are many more experienced members in the community that he should reach out to and contact.

okay Cthobby, a joey bml is NOT appropriate to feed a joey that small, all you will do is send its system into shock... it will NOT starve to death getting its tummy used to a decent formula but if you do things to quick it WILL get diahrrea and or shock...

you need either kitten milk replacer, puppy milk replacer or a specific formulated for marsupials milk replacer like biolac...biolac you would have to order online/have prior so lets go with one of the others

I have been using this website


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Yes, please read all of these pages:

www.suzsugargliders.com/handraisingajoey.htm

www.suzsugargliders.com/helpforrejectedjoeys.htm

and also Chris R is EXCELLENT for helping with rejected joeys.

first thing to remember is NEVER feed a cold baby... joey must be warm to be fed...

everything you do must be done in small incriments...


so to start, I want you to make up the puppy or kitten milk as directed on package (I suggest getting powder as the wet only last a few days before it goes bad)... most are a 1 part powder to 2 parts water... ie 1 tbls of powder to 2 tbls of water... so if that is the case you would have aprox 2tbls of formula...I want you to double the amount of formula again in water...this is a dilute formula and what we will use to get joeys tummy used to something other than mothers milk without upsetting it..

So if you have 2 tablespoons of made formula you would add in another 2 tablespoons of water...

Now as to feeding... dont use a syringe, the risk of aspiration of formula into the lungs is to high... what I want you to do is to put a small amount of formula into the palm of your hand (formula must be warm but NOT hot) making a pond of formula into your palm...

holding the joey in your other hand, I want you to gently dip its mouth into the pond... if joey is hungry it should eat/ start lapping formula
sometimes it takes a wee bit of sweetening to make the joey eat, you can start over on the formula and while its on the warmer side, add one or two drops of honey and mix it in really well and retry

He's on his way to PetSmart to pick up the Puppy Milk Replacer, I told him to contact Chris or to check back on the thread prior to making the formula (so he can see the information posted).

pic of an older joey but you can see the "pond" of formula in my hand



and here he is acting eating

Thank you all so much. We are on our way to get puppy milk replacer and I think we'll have Joey milk replacer overnighted.

I have a huge horse show tomorrow that I can't miss. We are taking the camper so he'll be right with us. Any suggestions on traveling?

Thank you Lauren

make up an incubator as suz tells how to on her website...you will have power for the warmer wont you?

Got the dog milk replacer.

Yes. We will have full power.