Hey everyone. I rescue gliders, but I have never been able to deal with females, like, ever. In my months of experience of rescuing, it never occurred. Until today. Someone is giving up their darling girl, and I currently have 3 boys. Would it be best if I keep her in a separate cage? Or can I put her in the large cage with the boys? One is unnuetered, the other two are not. Let me know.

Yes, it will be best to keep her in her own cage. You don't want to get babies out of her, especially when you don't know each glider's lineage and might end up with a lot of gliders to take care of without the additional babies.

Yes, but will the boys fight over her if I DO put her in the cage? Just curious for the matter. The only unnuetered boy came from a breeder, so I know his linage doesn't come from any mill.
The other two are neutered so I don't have to worry about them.

You may know his lineage, but you do not know hers. That makes the babies possibly inbred. On top of that, she is a rescue and often times rescues have trouble raising babies (cannibalization, rejection because of lack of milk, ect). If you want to put her in with your boys and you can't really leave her alone, I highly recommend you fix your intact male. Lack of lineage on her aside, I had a reverse quad with an intact male, a female, and two neutered males, and the intact male ended up attacking one of the neutered males. He later got an infection and died, so it's not really a good idea anyway.

Neuter your male and as with any introduction it may work and it might not. You need to watch them for a couple of days to be sure they all get along.

The rescued for the female's lineage I from a pet store. I'm just curious if they will fight.

If you don't get the other males neutered they will.

And my guess is the boys may fight even if she is in another cage if they smell that she is in heat! Please get your intact male neutered then you can attempt to put them all together. It would be very sad to have her separate from the others. Of course you could attempt to pair her with one of the neutered males leaving two boys in one cage and her and the other boy together. Of course before doing any intros you will need to quarantine for 30 days...

quote:

---

Originally posted by Kristal

The rescued for the female's lineage I from a pet store. I'm just curious if they will fight.

---

I'm wondering if you understand what is meant by " lineage"? Just because she's from a pet store and he's from a breeder doesn't mean they're not related. Lineage is who their parents are, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. It doesn't really have much to do with where they came from, it's about genes.

I agree with the others, the safest thing would be to have the male neutered. Trust me, you don't want accidental babies. I have two oopsies, and though I love them completely I know it would've been much better for mom and dad had I neutered on time.

Yes. I understand what lineage means.
And they would not be even close to being related since she is a classic color and he is 100% leu.

And so, they WILL fight even if 2 of them are nuetered and only ONE of them is not?

I won't mind her having babies because I've dealt with them before, but I'd like them all together. I will be selling the unnuetered soon, but for now would it be alright?

Sorry, just from the way you were talking about location in reference to lineage, it sounded like you thought lineage and location were directly related...my bad.

quote:

---

And they would not be even close to being related since she is a classic color and he is 100% leu.

---

Just because he's a leu doesn't mean they can't be related. Classic greys that are leu het can produce leus. Here's an example: http://www.thepetglider.com/pedigree/modules/animal/pedigree.php?pedid=3134
Also, leus can produce classic greys. Leu is a gene that requires 2 gliders with the het, and even that doesn't guarantee a leu...
Without lineage, you can't be sure. You could wind up with inbred babies with genetic defects.

quote:

---

I won't mind her having babies because I've dealt with them before, but I'd like them all together. I will be selling the unnuetered soon, but for now would it be alright?

---

It may not even be an issue then. You'll have 30 days of quarantine after she comes home. If you're selling the male, you really really don't want babies. He would need to stick around until they're weaned to help raise them...

As for me, if there's even a chance of danger I steer clear, so I wouldn't risk it. I'm very protective of my babies though. They're your gliders and it's ultimately your call.

You keep asking if they will fight and it has clearly been answered a couple times that the males will likely fight. It's also unfair to her as the even the neutered males may try to mate with her (depending one when they were neutered), imagine have 3 boys chase after you! All 3 may chase her around when she's in heat, not fun for her either. If you're worried, maybe try pairing her with one of the neutered males first in a separate cage, then no ones alone.

Also,juest because she's grey and he's leu doesn't mean they aren't related... they could be siblings. They could be cousins, anything really without proper lineage.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Kristal


And they would not be even close to being related since she is a classic color and he is 100% leu.

---

This statement alone tells on yourself that you do not actually have an understanding of lineage and genetics. There is no % leu, a glider is either a black-eyed-white or it isn't. We use percentages to designate the chance offspring have of carrying a copy of the leucistic gene, not the actual color.

You've been given your answer several times, so it seems that you honestly just want to breed her. Understand that if you do, you will only get gray offspring, and yes, you will run the risk of inbreeding as well as breeding a glider with unknown genetic defects. Gliders who come from pet stores are notorious for coming from mill breeding situations where inbreeding is very common so even if they by chance are not related, you should understand that it's very possible that your female's parents were related.

If you really just want to breed, I strongly encourage you to do some extensive research and start with a breeding pair that has compatible lineage from BOTH sides.

Okay. No one is answering my question.
WILL they fight over her. I assumed not because the other two are neutered. I'm RE-HOMING my unnuetered one very soon, but for now I want to know if they will.

ummm you keep asking the same question...IT IS ANSWERED!!!.... You just didnt hear the answer you so OBVIOUSLY want to hear... So go ahead, put her in there and get her gang raped and possibly wounded or worse....

Agreed. Gang rape. If you'd like, I'm sure we can link some lovely pictures of mating wounds and worse.

Or maybe some videos of wiggle babies :( UGHHHH!!!!!!!

It seems that the voice(s) of reason are falling on deaf ears.

YES!...the boys WILL fight/attack each other and attack the female.

If you want whats best for her you should maybe find her another home.
If you are rehoming the neutered male and you introduce her to him it would be more stressful and unfair to her then to separate them to leave her alone again unless she was rehomed with him.
I would not put her with the other two males, you would be asking for trouble.

Yes, they will fight. Sorry, perhaps because we were telling you it would be best to neuter the male, the "yes they will fight" answer got lost in the conversation. We were suggesting to neuter the male to potentially reduce the risk of fighting as well as preventing breeding, since that is what they would be fighting for...the opportunity to breed her.

When you say you rescue gliders do you mean you foster them and then find homes for them? In that case I understand your question better. This would just be a temporary situation (they would still fight) until they are adopted, yes? Many people "rescue" gliders from bad situations (usually purchasing them from someone) but keep the gliders as pets which isn't the same as being a true glider rescue organization.

Another consideration you must take is that if you do put her in with the intact male, and he mates with her, and then you turn around and sell him is NOT the right step to take. The father NEEDS to be with the mommy to help, as he plays a huge role in the care of the joey.

You have been given some pretty straight answers to your concerns. Please take the advice seriously. These babies are your responsibility, and asking advice is an excellent approach to the questions.

There are far to many risks and dangers at stake here for all the gliders involved. Mating wounds, wounds from fighting for position, cannibalization due to the extreme stress on the female. The problems are endless. 3 males to one female is a bad choice, especially since they are rescues.

If you are not familiar with whats involved with the breeding aspects, please read through the following web site. You will find everything you need to know about breeding and babies. Error, missing URL. m

YES! They...WILL...fight!!!

I don't know what to call what you do with gliders, but it surely is NOT rescue.

Rescues do NOT breed the gliders they take in. They do not put gliders in situations where fighting may occur. They don't even consider it. They never, ever put a female rescue in with an intact male. And, by and large, they can read and understand when an answer has been given to them.

It really doesn't matter if they will fight. Breeding that rescued female is an injustice to her, to any future joeys and to the profession of RESCUE. That you would consider it and "wouldn't mind" is very revealing of your own character and of the view you have of gliders. Perhaps if you spent some time studying WHY we don't do these things, you might have a different opinion.

RESCUE takes animals out of immediate danger and places them in a place of SAFETY and health. Please don't tell people you rescue any longer.

Your question: will the boys fight over her if I DO put her in the cage?

Answer (said many times) : YES

in addition to all the reasons everyone else has mentioned for not putting her in with them and *definitely* not allowing them to breed is that if they did breed and produce a joey, there's a significant chance one of the other males would kill the joey(s) because they knew they weren't theirs.

For someone only having a short time hands on experience with them and claiming to 'rescue' these poor furries.....your being very irresponsible...and if your ignorant of advice given to you....your babies have a high chance of NOT surviving....the male being 'sold' soon and leaving her and not being there to raise the baby is asking for trouble!!!! But you asked a question and NOONE here will give the answer you WANT to hear so please just rehome all your pets your not a responsible owner!!! I have males and a day after (actually 12hours) "rescuing" my last 5 from a home that was moving, I drove an hour to neuter and get them all checked out.....I'm not made of money but if I want to be taken serious as a RESPONCIBLE pet owner I have to do what is nessicary to keep the PETS health safe!!!

I'm tired of being prosecuted.
I've never had to deal with females, reason I asked.
I kept them in a separate cage, so calm down.
I was just curious, and I did not have intentions in breeding.
I'm re-homing the un-nuetered male since he is rehabilitated.
So stop saying I'm irresponsible, because clearly you do not know me. So you have no right to say whether or not I am a responsible pet owner.
I like blunt answers. That is all.
So if you would like to call me an irresponsible pet owner, go ahead. I'd like you to see what I feed them, how I treat them, and how their environment is.
I was CURIOUS and had NO intentions on breeding.
I love my gliders. I asked to see what was best for them.
Additionally, I was having a horrid day the day I posted for a straight-forward answer, thus, I did no read the replies because I was looking for blunt answers.
So EXCUSE me. I'm SORRY if anyone thought I was just rescuing to breed. That is a disgusting thought.
So don't make accusations on people you don't know. Thanks. Now I feel horrible for something I didn't do, nor intended to do.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Kristal


I won't mind her having babies because I've dealt with them before, but I'd like them all together. I will be selling the unnuetered soon,

---

As someone who never intended to breed or sell rescues, you might want to be more careful with your word choices.


As an aside, reputable rescues don't rehome intact males - ALL males get neutered before adopting out. Additionally, reputable rescues do not place gliders with others and then remove them to re-home them. If those three boys are living together peaceably, then they should stay together as a trio.

Any time you place an intact male and female of any species together, you intend for them to breed. If you do not, you have a lot to learn about the birds and the bees.

Sorry you were having a horrid day...I know how that is and how it can affect your perceptions and actions. I think the situation here is that most everyone on this forum is so very passionate about the health and well being of these little animals that we have taken out of the wild and are doing our best to care for in our homes. As a result, most of us err on the side of "too much information" instead of just a yes or no answer. Not knowing your background or knowledge we feel compelled to make sure we provide information about things you may not have thought of (remember, we don't know what you do or don't know already). I have learned so much from the "extra information" that has been provided that I can't stress enough how important it is! So, for my part in making you feel bad, I'm sorry. I hope you will continue to visit the forum because no matter who you are, or what you know, there is so much to be learned and these folks have years of experience to draw upon.

I hope you are having a better day today!

If I were in a situation as to where I would have to keep them in the same cage, I'd have no choice. But I have 4 seperate cages for any rescues that can come in. And I'm rehoming the unnuetered w/his bonded mate. He came from a bad family and I finally got him to stop crabbing.
Plus I state 'having babies' as, getting in rescued joeys. I understand that if I ever wanted to breed (which I do not have the time nor expertiest for) I'd research it more and buy a breeding pair, but I don't plan to in my future. I plan to breed hedgehogs, but those are totally didn't stories (true me, I know a lot about hedgehogs).
And thank you Avbjessup.

And actually Something_To_Believe_In, he gets along well with any of my rescues. I've had him for quite some time, and I find good homes for my gliders. I don't just hand them out. I'm trying to find a home that has another male, and I've declined people that ask for him when he is a female. He is full grown, which is why I will not get him nuetered. It's too risky in my opinion, so I'll let him be. But until I find someone who will spend 24/7 with him or who has another male glider, he is enjoying himself in his bonding pouch or crawling around. Either way, I'm trying to make everyone happy here. Whether it be a new home for him, or just him in general. He's never alone.