what do you think?

LGRS investigated this a few years back. Our findings based on State of Florida incorporation records and other public record searches seem to indicate that the organization started out as a cynical attempt for a well-known mill breeder/broker to influence a legit organization by installing a paid confederate as its president. There are youtube videos from paid shills that mimic lies straight from the mill breeder lies playbook.

[Sorry, no names are going to be given because we don't need mill breeder trolls threatening legal action. So this will go unattributed.]

But... if you do a little public record research on the organization in question and you can come to your own conclusions.

Despite what in my opinion is slimy and secretive beginnings, some legitimate vets have joined the organization and I reckon over time, it will lose its original slimy stigma as non-shill vets add content, best practices and other data.

My hope is that as new, legit, non-shill vets join they will somehow excommunicate mill breeder mouthpieces over time.

Only time will tell

What is ASGV?

Leadership of that group is fully under control of said shill vet directed by money-pockets handler. So just beware. Formation of that group was to ultimately increase "their" control of community information to lift up their own reputation and to have a platform to "recommend" all of their products which now include various foods.

The creator of all of that knows so very well that the best way to do business is to not only be supplier, but to also be supplier to the supplier as well as to supply ongoing needs of acquired customers. They not only sell mass quantities of sugar gliders as impulse buys, they also make and sell all of the things you need to support that animal. It is in their very interest to see your animal living as long as it can while you are only purchasing their "vet approved" products for the next ten years.

To date I have had no use for that group or its experts and some vets are managing to agree with that sentiment, especially when you lay out the facts.


So to answer the question: Are they real?; I would say no. Do they make sugar glider info available?; yes they do. Is it biased? You bet your ass it is. Are they doing research like a real organization would be?; I'll let you figure that one out via some strategic reading...

I personally feel they are about as useful and legitimate as the unicorn I keep in my back yard :)

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Originally posted by Tigerlily88

I personally feel they are about as useful and legitimate as the unicorn I keep in my back yard :)

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Well guess I now know where my baby cousins imaginary friend went

The major issue here is that vets who have little or no sugar glider experience are turning to to this site and group for information and education.

Very disappointing to see that a large domestic animal Veterinary Hospital here in Australia is now advising they they refer to ASGV as their sugar glider source. This hospital did have a good wildlife reputation as they did have some great wildlife vets who set up a small wildlife clinic within the complex . However these vets have now moved onto training facilities/external practices and the vets who who have replaced them have little or no experience with wildlife. Instead of referring to wildlife hospitals or facilities for education and information, they went online and joined ASGV instead!

When I recently spoke to the senior vet who initially set up the wildlife clinic at the hospital about this, she was horrified. She said she thought they had put enough protocols and training in place to avoid something like this happening but some vets prefer the lazy way of referral via internet instead of actually doing their own research and learning through the excellent facilities already established.

Have you watched their videos? I suggest doing so. The videos advise glider owners to feed a certain brand of food (as well as many other things). The products those videos push are all from ONE certain mill breeder organization. It's pretty easy to tell who is behind ASGV going off of just that. Personally, I fell for a lot of the stuff being pushed by that site once upon a time, but then I started feeling it was fishy that they only advised using one brand of products and did some research, which made me decide to disregard all the information that ASGV provides.

I'm also not willing to point fingers at the organization in charge of ASGV. I know multiple members of the glider community have had serious legal trouble with that mill breeder, and I do not wish to have the same thing happen to me. I'm pretty sure that's why no one else is saying names either.

HOWEVER, part of my research on ASGV included looking through old threads on here. I seem to remember finding a thread which directly referenced some public Florida records on ASGV. There were photographs (in the thread) of different documents which make it clear who is in charge. I did not create the thread, post the pictures, or comment on the thread. But I did find the information in that thread made it explicitly clear who is behind ASGV and how. I suggest searching through old threads on here to find that one. There is a search bar at the top right of this page. Start with searching ASGV--I think that's how I started. I seem to remember stumbling across that thread fairly quickly. And that was about a year ago. So the thread is at least a year old. But I believe all threads stay archived on this site, unless kazko deletes one for being inappropriate or something.

Oh, and my answer to your original question is, no. I do not think they are a real organization with sugar gliders' needs at heart. I'd trust them about as much as I'd trust using twine as a bungee cord, if you get my drift.

Are they real?

Sure, they are. But so are pimples.

Are they a helpful source of useful information? Well, they are biased in one direction, toward a specific mill breeder and its products. So in terms of clear information, not so much.

Although we sometimes get contradictory information here at GliderGossip, at least it is all first-hand experience from people who actually love and want the best for their gliders.

Ultimately you have to use your own judgement in determining your course of action, but at least here, and at some of the other forums, you are given choices and real-life experiences to draw from.

Good Luck

DBA Filed July 13 2009 .

Site Search . A lot of posts will not show up in search as they have been obfuscated to reduce linking to these groups. PPP and Pocket Pets are good search terms to use.

It's funny that someone posted this because earlier this week I sent in a complaint to our local mall because Pocket Pets is back. They actually sent the complaint to the regional director who emailed ME! All he did was feed me the regular stuff. So I took everything he said and came back with a counter argument. I just replied today. So we will see what happens next. If anyone has advice or questions about my situation please send it in a private message.

As for ASGV. These are all of the websites that have been known as:
www.thesugarbeardoc.com
www.thesugarbeardoc.net
www.thesugarbeardoc.org
www.thesugarbeardocs.com
www.thesugarbeardocs.net
www.thesugarbeardocs.org
www.thesugarbeardoctor.com
www.thesugarbeardoctor.net
www.thesugarbeardoctor.org
www.thesugarbeardoctors.com
www.thesugarbeardoctors.net
www.thesugarbeardoctors.org
www.thesugarbearvets.com
www.thesugarbearvets.net
www.thesugarbearvets.org
www.thesugargliderdocs.com
www.thesugargliderdocs.net
www.thesugargliderdocs.org
www.thesugargliderdoctors.com
www.thesugargliderdoctors.net
www.thesugargliderdoctors.org
www.sugarbear156.com
www.sugarbeardoc.com
www.sugarbeardoc.net
www.sugarbeardoc.org
www.sugargliderdocs.com
www.sugargliderdocs.net
www.sugargliderdocs.org
www.sugargliderdoctors.com
www.sugargliderdoctors.net
www.sugargliderdoctors.org
www.sugarbeardocs.com
www.sugarbeardocs.net
www.sugarbeardocs.org
www.sugarbeardoctor.com
www.sugarbeardoctor.net
www.sugarbeardoctor.org
www.sugarbeardoctors.com
www.sugarbeardoctors.net
www.sugarbeardoctors.org
www.sugarbearvets.com
www.sugarbearvets.net
www.sugarbearvets.org

Doesn't seem very reputable to

note the abuse of .org for a commercial enterprise that is not a non-profit. pure slime ball tactic

This list above is missing a former "product review site" that one our our "Mill Breeder Lies" videos help to shut down. I guess the pressure got to them and they shut the site down after all the right people watched the video. Yay! Score one for the good guys!

I guess ran away from this domain because it was so transparently fraudulent they just look like the slime they are. I guess it's easier to hide behind a fake vet organization

Here is the "outing" video in which we reference the vet organization too and encourage people to do their own research on the subject:

RE earlier posts, I do not care what field of activity you are speaking of, woodworking

OOPS... to finish that thought, anytime a person sees a great deal of information pointing toward one product or line of products sold by a single specific purveyor there are certain conclusions that can be logically arrived at about the source of this fountain of information. Namely that the source is something more than a satisfied client of the purveyor, but is indeed a paid Publicist/PR firm. This is not uncommon. As new and better ways to ensnare the unwary arise, we need, unfortunately to become increasingly skeptical of the sources we listen to.

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DBA Filed July 13 2009 .

Site Search . A lot of posts will not show up in search as they have been obfuscated to reduce linking to these groups. PPP and Pocket Pets are good search terms to use.

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kazko, how helpful! Thank you. :] Yeah, that's exactly the thread I was talking about. That thread and the documents in it spell the power structure behind ASGV.