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May 22 2013
02:17:55 PM
I was wondering if there is a website with GOOD pictures of the different types of gliders? I have five here. My two original ones I thought were mosaics but after reading, I am not so sure. Two of the new ones are very similar to our originals but the last one has the markings on her but she is a much lighter color. I am not looking to sell any of them. I am just curious as to what I have here.
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May 22 2013
02:47:17 PM
Candy Cuddle Bear Visit Candy's Photo Album FL, USA 8110 Posts
You are describing color variations, not different BREEDS.

Most pet gliders in the US are all the same type of glider - Petaurus breviceps. There are several other types of gliders in Australia. Recently a different glider breed called Caramel Gliders has been imported from Indonesia to the US. These gliders are a bit larger that most pet gliders and cross breeding these with the Petaurus breviceps gliders has resulted in offspring that are sterile (cannot reproduce). Very few folks currently own Caramel Gliders.

You might look here for some photos of various sugar glider colors:

http://www.thepetglider.com/joey-adoption-nursery.html
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May 22 2013
02:57:17 PM
viciousencounters Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit viciousencounters's Photo Album viciousencounters's Journal NM, USA 2907 Posts
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Originally posted by Candy

You are describing color variations, not different BREEDS.

Most pet gliders in the US are all the same type of glider - Petaurus breviceps. There are several other types of gliders in Australia. Recently a different glider breed called Caramel Gliders has been imported from Indonesia to the US. These gliders are a bit larger that most pet gliders and cross breeding these with the Petaurus breviceps gliders has resulted in offspring that are sterile (cannot reproduce). Very few folks currently own Caramel Gliders.

You might look here for some photos of various sugar glider colors:

http://www.thepetglider.com/joey-adoption-nursery.html



Yes, the Caramel Glider is actually the Biak Glider or Petaurus biacensis which is a different species than the Sugar Glider or Petaurus breviceps. Thanks for saying that Candy, I swear people were trying to convince others they were one in the same.

I made a color thread the other day:

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49870
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May 22 2013
03:38:18 PM
Off10h8ed Glider GliderMap Visit Off10h8ed's Photo Album 55 Posts
Thank you for the information. I didn't realize it was just a color difference with all the talk of mixing them. I just know I have one that looks quite a bit different form the others.
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May 22 2013
04:16:13 PM
Ko Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Ko's Photo Album Australia 1168 Posts
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Originally posted by viciousencounters

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Originally posted by Candy

You are describing color variations, not different BREEDS.

Most pet gliders in the US are all the same type of glider - Petaurus breviceps. There are several other types of gliders in Australia. Recently a different glider breed called Caramel Gliders has been imported from Indonesia to the US. These gliders are a bit larger that most pet gliders and cross breeding these with the Petaurus breviceps gliders has resulted in offspring that are sterile (cannot reproduce). Very few folks currently own Caramel Gliders.

You might look here for some photos of various sugar glider colors:

http://www.thepetglider.com/joey-adoption-nursery.html



Yes, the Caramel Glider is actually the Biak Glider or Petaurus biacensis which is a different species than the Sugar Glider or Petaurus breviceps. Thanks for saying that Candy, I swear people were trying to convince others they were one in the same.

I made a color thread the other day:

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49870




Biak gliders are actually quite small (av 84-87g) and tend to be almost melanistic . Very little study has been done but it is believed they are indeed a subspecies of petaurus breviceps now - not a completely different species.

Information on Biak gliders on the internet is very rare and I had to buy books specific to that region to get more detailed information and an actual illustration of the Biak glider.


There is a group in Australia heading over to the PNG/Irian Jaya and surrounding islands to do studies on the marsupials there so hopefully more information will become available in the future.

Edited by - Ko on May 22 2013 04:20:53 PM
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May 22 2013
05:12:49 PM
viciousencounters Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit viciousencounters's Photo Album viciousencounters's Journal NM, USA 2907 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Ko

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Originally posted by viciousencounters

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Originally posted by Candy

You are describing color variations, not different BREEDS.

Most pet gliders in the US are all the same type of glider - Petaurus breviceps. There are several other types of gliders in Australia. Recently a different glider breed called Caramel Gliders has been imported from Indonesia to the US. These gliders are a bit larger that most pet gliders and cross breeding these with the Petaurus breviceps gliders has resulted in offspring that are sterile (cannot reproduce). Very few folks currently own Caramel Gliders.

You might look here for some photos of various sugar glider colors:

http://www.thepetglider.com/joey-adoption-nursery.html



Yes, the Caramel Glider is actually the Biak Glider or Petaurus biacensis which is a different species than the Sugar Glider or Petaurus breviceps. Thanks for saying that Candy, I swear people were trying to convince others they were one in the same.

I made a color thread the other day:

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49870




Biak gliders are actually quite small (av 84-87g) and tend to be almost melanistic . Very little study has been done but it is believed they are indeed a subspecies of petaurus breviceps now - not a completely different species.

Information on Biak gliders on the internet is very rare and I had to buy books specific to that region to get more detailed information and an actual illustration of the Biak glider.


There is a group in Australia heading over to the PNG/Irian Jaya and surrounding islands to do studies on the marsupials there so hopefully more information will become available in the future.



Yes, I have come to this conundrum too. I should say that my assertion is based on my own theory. I have tracked down about 2-3 drawings of Biak gliders and one confirmed photo which looks very much like the "Caramel Glider". The limited amount of information about biak gliders typically lists them in a weight range lower than the average sugar glider while captive "caramel gliders" are reported as being a bit larger than sugar gliders. From my current biology education and the reported sterility of offspring out of sugar-caramel pairings makes me think that this is akin to a postzygotic barrier typically associated with speciation. I am using this info to assume that they are different species and that the lack of information of biak gliders may help explain the size difference. I was hoping to secure a project to research them more thoroughly for undergraduate/graduate work but I don't think I will get too go with an Australian team. It would be great to get DNA testing done to show the true phylogeny on the biak glider.
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