http://www.gofundme.com/kjnbtw

I feel bad for her.

I feel sorry for the glider that is suffering, but this glider has had this injury for over 2 months and has not received the medical care she needs. She should have been on pain medications and in an E-collar much sooner as the owner was advised in previous threads.

I agree wholeheartedly Candy. When the owner makes choices beyond my control, it is very frustrating. Yet, I remain hopeful that if I provide the help she's asking for ($) then maybe she will finally do what's right for her glider. A few bucks didn't hurt me, and if enough people did the same maybe the glider will finally get what she needs. Just to clarify, I feel bad for the glider, Zoey.

This makes me feel bad. I cannot give much money to things like this because of my own emergency fund. This is an example of why I REALLY believe no one should have a pet without an emergency fund for injuries =/ I hate it but it's true. That poor thing is probably suffering a lot. A bottle of pain medicine is only like $30, I hope she is at least on that.

I also feel bad for her and her sugar glider. I hope she can find a way to get the help needed.

If everyone does $10 she'll be able to get pain meds! Please!

I'm probably in the minority of this opinion, but I think the owner should give the glider to someone who can properly care for her or put her down. That poor animal is not well at all...

jlprkr I'm not sure exactly what everyone thinks about the owner, but I do agree with you. However, I know I can't influence the owner to make better choices no matter what I say that's why I've settled on the fact that the best way to help the glider is to just give the owner the money she needs for the vet. I'm afraid if the owner doesn't get the money for the vet then the glider will just suffer until she dies. But if the owner gets the money she needs then she'll take the glider to the vet and begin helping her.

Yes, I wish the owner would be more proactive and find a darn way to get that glider the help she needs or spare her a miserable life. But that's not going to happen. We've all given her advice that she hasn't taken.

So instead if we all give $10 there is enough of us regulars to cover her bill. Then the glider will be saved. Please! $10 isn't that much. Let's save that glider!

As the owner can I say I have gone to help????
I've been getting her treated and such but I just can't afford the amputation!
None of the vets here have helped me in the least and have told me it would heal on it's own but one said amputation may be needed.
She's been getting better slowly and frankly I find it sort of hurtful that no one bothered to also think "hey she's hurting too"
I used what I had in her emergency care funds.
I can't afford it much right now and i don't want to lose my little girl.
She's the world to me and I've been doing my MOST to make sure she is comfortable and in as little pain as possible.
They have given me antibiotics and some pain relief oral medication but nothing else.
She can't move much with the cone.
And I definately can't save money myself to get her fixed if I call off work to make sure she doesn't get stuck like she had multiple times with it on.
I am a 18 yr old, still new at this, and I am doing my best to make sure my baby is happy and cared for.
She was nothing but a scrap of scared fur and bones and bites.
She I'd nothing but softness and cuddles now so frankly I'd appreciate if you not attack me as the owner when you know nothing as to what has gone on

I have to get behind the owner as far as the air of this thread goes. If you feel bad for the glider, fine. That's a normal response. But I can see the feelings of a loving owner who works hard and stays up late into the night every day giving her wonderful companion all the love and affection and care she can afford, money and time wise, being awfully hurt by all the passive-aggressive comments. The presumptuous nature of it all is rather disconcerting.

No one plans on a pet being injured, and most importantly in this case, no spectator of this creature's suffering hurts more than the one who bonded so dearly with it. This isn't a case of neglect. The owner obviously loves her to death and would do anything for her, but unfortunately can't do much. It is a shame this is the case, but the answer isn't to toss around opinions of her owner skills and readiness, especially when the love, care, and devotion was always there.

It's an unfortunate accident, nothing more. Yes, it would be nice if every pet owner was prepared for the worst. However, I don't think I'm far out of line when saying I think a lot more dogs, cats, and the like would be homeless, in shelters, or put down if it were a pre-requisite for every loving home to be able to afford the worst case scenario.

And who really has the strength to close the casket? My mother didn't when our cat came down with a mysterious abdominal lump that literally had it incontinent and suffering in obvious and excruciating pain. 3 hours into finding him like that, all she could do was cry and hide. There was no fix she could afford for this darling feline she loved so. It took a family friend to put it down. It wasn't even traditional, or conventional, and to be honest I have no idea how it felt to the poor thing, being injected with my sister's insulin(Diabetic). We did what we could, physically, financially, and most importantly, emotionally. At the end of the day, I don't think that cat regretted a single moment it lived in the arms of my mother, in pain or otherwise.

My point is, criticism is the furthest thing from productive when it comes to an entity one loves with ever ounce of their being. It would be another story if this wasn't the case.

I'm always open minded to all responses! Well said, both of you. I'm glad to hear the love and passion in your voice! I haven't checked your gofundme site lately, but I hope you're nearing the amount you need. I shared the link several times, both on my Facebook account and my Twitter feed (I was surprised it had never been shared prior to me sharing it. It's so unusual for a young person to not have at least a Facebook account, and that is the main way to obtain funding- by sharing it) And although in the end it seems to have offended, I did take the initiative to lobby for funding for your bills to help your little fuzzy love!
I can't imagine how awful you must feel watching her suffer, and for that stress I am truly sorry! Again I wish you the best, and I hope my efforts to raise funds for you have outweighed any offense that was taken.

Ok so I have sat on the fence about this one for a while....

First I think some members got this post confused with another from Mermissy about a different go fund me request with a similar situation but needing considerably more money.

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55831

Second, I just don't understand why people are surprised that strangers on the internet are not so quick to part with their money to help someone they don't know.

I mean, people walk past other humans starving on the street without offering to help when it is CLEAR they are in desperate need of food. It's visible, it's noticeable, it's obvious, and yet most people pass by them without a second thought.

So why then be surprised when people are skeptical of being scammed out of money online??

When I see cries for help like this I do feel bad, to an extent. I also judge the person, why? because I don't know you from a can of paint. I don't know what lengths you have gone to, to remedy the situation on your own. I have not witnessed it first hand and yes I am leery of online stories.

Personally I would feel better giving money to the vet you are going to use towards your vet care needs rather than some random gofundme account. At least that way I would know it is going towards the animals care and not to pay your cable bill or something.

If you are going to ask a group of strangers for money, expect to be questioned and judged. One common interest with online strangers like a specific animal is not enough to expect them to happily empty their wallets to help you without being questioned or judged. Surely we will sympathize and "want" to help but not without knowing our help is not being taken advantage of.

What I really don't get is how these people can sit there and say how they feel "attacked" or "disrespected" No one is attacking you.

They are however, wanting to know everything you have "tried" to do for your animal before they decide if they "want" to help you! You are asking for money from people that don't know you! Don't know your animal or if you even HAVE an animal that needs help.... You really don't think they are going to judge you???? or come at you with questions??

Don't get all defensive, just answer the questions, offer the details/proof ( yes PROOF ), of course your integrity is in question, you are asking for money. People want to know their money is well placed.

I could go put 20 bucks in some random persons gofundme account and hope for the best but I'd rather that money go to someone or something I feel is more solid like:

I could spend that 20 bucks to buy a homeless person a good meal and a coat ( which I have ).

Or I could donate a dollar for whatever the grocery store is raising money for at the check out ( which we do every time we check out even if we already donated )

Or I could donate some bags of food/supplies to a rescue in need ( which we have donated more items than I can list including a good sized cage )

or I could donate toys I make to a glider in need, I have probably given away more coconut huts than I have sold!

People are willing to do good things for people, but usually because they can see the blatant NEED for that help. The can also see the immediate results. And not wonder what that person is doing with that money they donated.

So maybe consider all of this the next time you feel "attacked" for asking for money from people you don't know, that will never know what you do with that money once they give it to you. And know that we are not just being heartless.

In regards to the glider in need, I know none of this has been any sort of resolution but I do hope she gets the medical attention she needs soon.

As far as "hey she's hurting too" goes, That would come across better when you actually come to groups like this for support, ya know emotional support not financial support, which I don't believe I have seen any posts from you about that.

See, if you came here and said " hey guys I'm having a reallly hard time coping with my baby's leg injury, I'm having a bad day and could use a hug and a chat..." etc. more folks here would offer you that support. However, from what I can see, you came looking for financial support and medical advice instead.

Yes, it's hard. But YOU have to tell us what is hard, to get that emotional support. You might have found you would have gotten more financial help along the way. See when you post, it reveals details, the more details people have, the more help you are liable to receive in all aspects not just the financial ones.

Leela.
There are photos if zoey on the gofundme account.
Of her injury and her with me.
I have made posts before asking for advice and support.
When I realized her amputation would cost so much I reached out to other people who would understand what I'm going through right now.
I never really thought anyone would really help. And that I'd have to put her down in worse fr wear but she's getting better slowly.
I'm hoping I won't even need the full amount if we can just consult the vet about clipping back the only small bit of bone left so it can heal rather than takinh the rest of her foot.
And when someone is saying I'm not doing anything to get the care she needs and that my choices don't seem right and so on, that is attacking.
No one asked what I've done.
They judged what they didn't know.
I know people are going to be skeptical.
I would be too.
Which is why I keep putting photos of zoey up on there and explaining.
I plan on giving every donar a photo or video if I could of me using the lil card thing from gofundme however that works when I take her in.
I plan on giving proof.
It wasn't the site that was being skepticized about, it was the care I was giving that was being judged when they never knew how many times I brought her in and got her medicine.
You brought in a topic that wasn't even mentioned here and idk why :(

And thank you, kferg. I don't really have a Facebook, I don't use much of a social media kind of thing. I've made an account for it on onstagram and that's all I use and it never got anything which is why I came asking here.
It was only a little hurtful to see the replies this forum had gotten doubting the care and what I've done with the advice I was given.
I've done everything everyone ever told me.
I've tried my best to make sure she was always comfortable.
My bed smells like her now because she's been sleeping next to me so I can wake up when I hear her messing with her foot and stop it right away.
While the goal was not met, as I mentioned in the precious comment to leela, I'm hoping I won't need to get the whole amount.
We think with how well it's healing with a new little strategy I managed since the last vet visit, if we can just get the small bit of bone still visible (shudder I know it's horrible)
To prevent infection, it should heal over rather than taking the rest of her foot off.
We have an appointment ready were just trying to wait a little so we can put enough away to afford anther consultation before doing the process.
Thank you so much for your help you really have been a great help, and I'm sorry if I came off a little strong, and defensive but I've taken this little girl from being a scrap of fur and bones and hating everything that comes within a 10ft radius of her cage to a soft active playful little girl. I've done nothing but treat her like the little queen she is. I keep saying she's my little girl but in reality, I'm hers.
There's nothing I won't do to make sure she's not in pain and suffering, even if that means this next attempt doesn't help, I have to put her down.

When you don't give specifics, people are going to judge. Your right, no one asked what you have done, and you didn't supply that information either, if you did I apparently missed it.

I understand you posted pics, I did go and read it. Honestly, sometimes pictures just aren't enough. I know it seems like they should be, but how are we to know if someone didn't just go snag a picture off of a google search. See how that could be questioned? I'm NOT saying that is what YOU did, I am saying other people have done so, which is why people are hesitant to just believe what they see.

Now, this also makes me question something.

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If she isn't better soon I'm putting her down anyways. I can't stand to see her suffer this way.

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I am not asking this to be confrontational, I am asking because I don't know the vets prices as they all vary etc.

Do you have enough money to medically put her down? and how much is that as opposed to the amputation?

Have you considered surrendering her to a rescue that would have the resources to provide her medical needs better than you can? I am not trying to be mean here at all, but that is another route to consider when thinking of what is in HER best interest.

I brought in a topic that was not mentioned so that perhaps you can see other peoples perspective instead of just your own perspective.

If it were me, I would not be above posting all my vet bills and receipts. Is it really anyone's business what I spent at the vet? Yes, If I am asking them for assistance I am proving I have done everything possible that I can and I do indeed have a pet and I need help!

It also removes ANY opportunity people may have to say that I haven't even tried to take care of the situation myself.

Or in the very least provide the names and phone numbers of the vets you have taken her to so people can verify this glider needs this procedure and you have taken it to these vets.... to me that is proof you can not go snag from google.

Is it excessive pppfftt absolutely. But it's tangible proof. Had you provided any of that I would be begging my boyfriend to hand over his cc to make a donation and I wouldn't be sitting her questioning your integrity, if you stole a pic from a google search or asking any of these questions.

I may have not even verified the information by calling the vets, because you made a point to provide that information to give me the ability if I wanted to.

I will apologize for one thing, I am sorry you didn't find the emotional support you need. I am personally sorry I did not offer at least that much to you, and I hope you will accept my offer of it now.

These situations really do tug on my heart strings, not just for the glider that is suffering. But for the human helping the suffering animal as well. I can not say I have experienced exactly what you are going through but I can say I am available to listen and give you an non judgmental ear if you should ever need one. I really can be non judgmental lol even if it doesn't appear so from these two posts ( and I'm am almost positive it does not seem like I am to you )

I am almost always on the computer or near by and my email is always open even if you just need to vent.

You mention she can't move much in 'the cone'. May I ask what you are using as a cone, how big and exactly the issue with it? Is she chewing on her foot that you need the cone?

What exactly is the current issue; for example the bone is exposed, there's bleeding/puss, she's mutilating, she has an infection? Dose she need pain meds, surgery, antibiotics, or a way to stop her from causing further damage? What is her weight, current diet and is she drinking/eating and pooping regularly? Have you done the 'tent' test to make sure she is staying hydrated?

What has the vet done and said so far? And what have you done so far? How long has this been a problem?

We can offer advice, the more info on the situation the better, but we are not vets and my personal rule of thumb, if in doubt go straight to the source that knows and can actually do something about it, that of course would be a vet.

Leela.
I'd be happy to post some of her bills I only have two laying around I believe I threw the oldest ones out.
And I'd like to see someone snag her from google cause I've looked for photos to see if any ther glider owner has had to go through this, without their little one dying right away.
She's actually much cheaper to put down.
The vet said 20$ at most because of how small of an animal she is.
I plan to give proof when I'm helped.
I never want someone to doubt me when I'm really in a sort of need like this.
And as much as I hate to say it I am being a little selfish because I don't want to lose her.
But every vet has told me a lot if places will just put her down instead of trying to solve the issue.
Which if that's the case I'd rather her be put down with the only person she's bonded to in the past year.
I've been weighing my options.
I'm not giving up on her just yet. She's a strong little fighter, and imma do my best to keep her safe with me.
Thank you however for giving me that idea to post the vet bills, I may just do that as soon as I find whatever ones I have left laying around.

Row.
The cone was initially so she couldn't get to her foot.
She had been self mutilating for some time now, and it's gotten to a point she no longer has her toes, save her thumb.
She's been eating drinking and pooping fine.
She's been acting normal and running around causing her usual caous.
I've found a way to bandage her foot so she can't eat through the tape but it's still not a complete fix.
There is one bone still visible which I'd guess is from the longest back claw.
The vets haven't told me much.
It could have been from a hang nail she just couldn't leave alone like she caught it on something.
It could be from being unsocial with other gliders.
It could just be she was sick after so long being so isolated from people and in a dingy work closet.
They said there's only three options. To amputate the foot off now.
To euthanize her.
Or to see if maybe the bone can be clipped back and let it maybe heal over.
They put her on this pain medication and antibiotics to keep it from getting infected, and some sort of behavioral thing since she isn't around other gliders?
They made it grape flavored cause apprenty it's bitter.
I'm more than happy to answer any questions as to what has happened with her the past couple months, I have no reason to withhold information.
I had made a post once regarding what happened and all I was told was to take her to the vet and I was given website to find vets who seen suggies and none were very helpful in the slightest

Are the pain meds and antibiotics working? Is she healing with meds or is the amputation a definite and only solution? Would you please specify what the vet's prognosis is for Zoey?

I will tell you, you and Zoey are and have been in my prayers, I'm sorry to say not daily, but I will continue to pray more often for you both.

Tjones09
They are helping slightly. No infection has occurred.
I think the pain meds are helping since she runs around like crazy.
The only prognosis they keep telling me is there's never a for sure thing with amputation for a glider since they will likely tear at it again and make it worse.
were hoping to clip the bone back and let it heal.
This is not a simple thing to handle and I hope no other glider owner has to go through this.

Did the vet give you an estimate for the amputation?

When my boy Cody sustained an injury to his tail and I needed to have it partially amputated I was given an estimate from the vet first.

Also if you choose amputation I should mention the first surgery on Cody's tail didn't work because the surgeon closed with internal stitches on the tail tip, which caused pressure on the stitches from the tail bone and caused the skin to die back revealing the bone tip. So we did a second amputation and she did a flap technique which placed the internal stitches on the side relieving the pressure on the stitches from the bone underneath. This was a HUGE success and he healed faster and was in less discomfort.

I would recommend having the foot amputated using a similar technique. The foot will heal faster, and with a cone and pain meds she should not mutilate. Given time she can recover completely and still live a happy life.

If she is fine health wise and active I see no reason for euthenasia.

On another note, in my experience most vets would prefer to go the easy route and just take the whole thing. I had to argue that there was no need to take Cody's whole tail (which is what the vet kept pushing me to do). He loves to carry things in his tail and I refused to let them talk me into the easy way and made sure they only took the bad section. As a result he still has half his tail and can still carry things.

You may have to push the vet to do what is best for your girl, but it is worth it.

Rowangel
That's why I asked if they would just clip it back this way she still has her thumb to grip onto the bars with.
Rather than a stump of a leg that she can't really use to move around with and grip.
Even with the pain meds she's still been self mutilating and it's getting aggrivating to only know one way that's good for us both. The way I bandage her foot she can't get to it and I don't have to stay up at all hours having to listen for her.
Were hoping if it heals more within the next week, we can take her in to get the bone clipped back so it can heal over.
They estimated 300 with the amputation and follow up check ups at the kinda bad place I'd rather not take her to.
So I put 500$ to estimate how the better vet up in Raleigh would be since their a little more pricey and the vet who recommended me said it'd be around 450-500 roughly so we just agreed it'd be around 5
Were hoping without an amputation and just clipping it it will be cheaper.
So I'm hoping I won't need the full amount.
She's been doing good. I wish I knew how to upload a photo on here in a reply because she was cute earlier and I wanna show everyone another photo.
But I'll put it up on the gofundme along with the bills later.
I really appreciate the advice about the way the surgery could go, I'll be sure to save that and bring it up to them!
I've never seen my glider pick anything up with her tail I didn't know they could do that :0

Good thing your keeping the foot wrapped! It will keep her from making it worse!

The bone clipping sounds like a smart move as long as the vet has enough viable tissue to completely cover the bones. If there is not enough healthy skin they may have to take the whole foot to ensure a healthy amount of skin to cover with. This can depend on infection and so on, so the antibiotics are also a good move.

What kind of cone were you using? If the wrapping is working you may not need the cone, but should she still mutilate you are going to need a cone to prevent her from getting to that foot, especially after the surgery!

Also is she in a smaller hospital cage where you can somewhat restrict her movements if she has to wear a cone?

Due to recent events of me being gone for two days and leaving zoey in the care of my step-father, he failed at that job and she managed to get the bandage off and tear her foot apart again.
We've decided to put her down.
Neither my boyfriend and I can handle seeing her like this anymore.
Unless there's anyone in the fayettville area that can offer her any better care than I can, I don't see this getting better with my schedule with work and no one able to watch and listen for her if she gets the bandage off.
:(
I want to thank you guys for your help, and your support.
But I can't see this getting any better.
I'll post an update on the gofundme tomorrow on final decisions and everything.
Goodnight

I am deeply, truly sorry. I wish I lived near enough to you to help out more. I really wish you'd raised enough funds for the amputation with your donation site! What a terrible thing to have lived through, for you and your baby. I really was hoping for a happy ending here!
I will pray today that you somehow finally get the funds last minute.
Hugs.

Sorry to hear this, but please consider surrendering her to a rescue that can provide the medical care she needs. There is one sort of near you in Greensboro https://www.facebook.com/JlSugarGliderRescue


Jeannette & Wayne's Sugar Glider Rescue 336-265-8809. At least give them a call to see if they are able to take her in and get her fixed up rather than putting her down. I know putting her down seems like it's your only choice but it might not be.

I gave them a call no answer. So I'm waiting on a call back.
I'll let everyone know what they tell me as soon as I hear from them

I'm not sure how reputable that first rescue I posted is, upon reading their page a little more it almost seems like they are just flipping gliders. There are two other rescue people in that same area you may want to call first. The first rescue is charging a really large rehome fee, and are letting single gliders to be adopted out without insuring the people have a second glider in need of cage mate.

Sorry I was just excited there was a rescue so close to you but this one might not be the right fit, I would try these other two people first and explain your situation to them.


Chandra Vaught

Randolph County, NC, US
336-561-3306
chandravaught@gmail.com
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Misty Clark

Forsyth County, NC, US

336-414-2728

There are a couple groups on facebook that might be able to help more than we can here, it's a much bigger forum that might be able to get you the help you need.

I understand you don't have a fb account, but I do and have posted a little bit of what is going on with your glider and gave them the link to this post.

Hopefully it will result in some help for this baby in one form or another, don't give up just yet~!!

Yes please hold off on doing anything drastic. I'm sure someone will come through. I so wish I could take her but timing is just so bad for that right now.

I'm trying to hold off on it yes till I can find somewhere where they can help her maybe.
But it's hard right now because I can't rewrap her foot again right now and she's going to keep biting at it and I have to work.
I obviously can't leave her alone without someone to watch her and I have no one so it's just going to get worse the longer I wait. :(
I'm trying to think of other ways but I can't leave her alone with the cone on either she gets stuck on her head a lot.
I'll be giving them a call of the other places recommended ASAP