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Jul 08 2018
11:49:43 AM
Ok so i posted like 10 days ago and ive been taking care of a rejected joey. Today is day 12 and hes not really gaining weight. Hes eating just fine and pottying. One of his eyes is open. Hes just so little. Hes only 12g. This is him compared to his brother, who the parents are caring for.

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Jul 08 2018
12:09:48 PM
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When did the bigger ones eyes open?
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Jul 08 2018
12:10:49 PM
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They each have one eye open. 2 days ago.
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Jul 08 2018
12:14:01 PM
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Jul 08 2018
12:17:40 PM
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The big one weighs 26g which is right on mark for his oop date. The small one is marking at first day oop but that is not the case. Im kind of feeling like a failure and thinking i need to give him to someone who can do a better job possibly because id rather him be well. Hes acting okay and hes active he is just not growing. Its very frustrating. Im keeping him warm and taking him everywhere with me
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Jul 08 2018
12:22:30 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
ok, I was asking because sometimes gliders can have joeys in pouch that are different ages. But if both eyes opened at the same time that probably isn't the case.

What are you using to hand feed the smaller one?

Edited by - Leela on Jul 08 2018 12:25:42 PM
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Jul 08 2018
12:24:17 PM
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I did, they each have only one eye open. The bigger one has one eye closed still. I put a picture. Is that normal? Two days ago it opened.
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Jul 08 2018
12:26:18 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
ok, I was asking because sometimes gliders can have joeys in pouch that are different ages. But if both eyes opened at the same time that probably isn't the case.

What are you using to hand feed the smaller one?
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Jul 08 2018
12:27:39 PM
Kstacit Joey Visit Kstacit's Photo Album 26 Posts
Raw goat milk currently as the collostrum and wombaroo are shipping here still.
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Jul 08 2018
12:30:03 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
that maybe why, what diet do you feed your other gliders?
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Jul 08 2018
12:32:07 PM
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They get glider complete, instant hpw, gumivore-fare, and they get yogurt with raw honey, fresh fruit and veg and chicken or eggs.
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Jul 08 2018
12:33:02 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
glider complete as in critter love hpw complete? Can you upload pics of the diet packaging? I'm trying to figure out if what you have can be used to feed the joey.

Edited by - Leela on Jul 08 2018 12:33:57 PM
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Jul 08 2018
12:34:10 PM
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Its exotic nutrition pellets.
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Jul 08 2018
12:36:07 PM
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Jul 08 2018
12:40:46 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
ah ok no that won't do, and that diet might be why mom couldn't produce enough milk for 2.

Ok, you can do this! Can you get some supplies ?

Edited by - Leela on Jul 08 2018 12:41:41 PM
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Jul 08 2018
12:44:28 PM
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I definitely can get supplies. Appreciate the help
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Jul 08 2018
12:55:33 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
alright awesome, he needs the most nutrition he can get. http://www.bmldiet.com/bml-recipe.html

Ok This recipe is for adult gliders, I'm going to need to you to pay attention carefully to MY instructions not the recipe instructions. Normally we don't suggest modifying diet recipes, this modification is done by the diet creator herself specifically for hand feeding joeys.

The recipe needs modified for young babies, you HAVE to leave out the wheat germ. It can produce to much gas for a young joey like yours.

You CAN make two separate batches, one batch with the wheat germ for your adult gliders, which will help mom and provide more of what she needs to keep nursing the bigger joey. All your other gliders would benefit from Bml.

And the second batch WITHOUT the wheatgerm for the lil guy your hand feeding. Once his batch is made, you can water it down a little before each feeding.

But make sure you label which is the joeys and which is the adults so you don't get them mixed up.

All the ingredients can be found at your local grocery store and pet store, just measure everything (minus the wheatgerm ) dump it in a blender and blend the crap out of it.

What are you using to feed the joey?? like needless syringe?

Edited by - Leela on Jul 08 2018 01:00:53 PM
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Jul 08 2018
01:00:32 PM
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Thank you!!! I'll get all this today. Very much appreciate it! I am using a needle less syringe and i have a miracle mini nipple as well He does pretty good with. He definitely wars to survive.
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Jul 08 2018
01:04:18 PM
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Ohh perfect!! those miracle nipples are amazing!

Ok water the bml down I'd say 50/50 water to bml for the first couple of days then gradually reduce how much water you add as you go.

Your doing a great job so don't get discouraged!! it's a really hard thing to hand raise a joey like that, I'm sure your not getting much sleep lol

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Jul 08 2018
01:05:43 PM
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Not much at all! Lol and working extra too. I so appreciate you! The nipples are great! So glad i ordered
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Jul 08 2018
01:11:56 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
ohhh thats rough! lol well hopefully this will fill him up a little better and give him more of what he needs. It really is a good diet, and probably will be cheaper than exotic nutritions in the long run...

I'm not a fan of any of their food items they just don't provide enough vitamins and minerals and there have been sooo many gliders that don't do well on their food. If your open to switching over entirely that is what I'd suggest, especially for mom if she keeps breeding.

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Jul 08 2018
02:04:57 PM
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Im going to switch them all over today :)
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Jul 08 2018
02:48:31 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
When the baby hits about 5-6 weeks out of pouch he can have the normal bml with wheatgerm in it. Thats about when mom n dad start to teach joeys to eat regular food at the plate
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Jul 08 2018
05:33:15 PM
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So awesome. Just made two batches and am about to feed the baby now! #128513;
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Jul 08 2018
06:22:40 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
good luck let us know how he does
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Jul 10 2018
04:12:22 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
Hows things going??
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Jul 10 2018
04:24:54 PM
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His eyes are both fully open now and he seems to have a lot more energy. As of yesterday he hadnt gained any weight. I am still at work now so i don't have a scale, but all of the gliders like the new food and its so much easier in the evenings too! I will weigh him this evening and see of there is a change :)
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Jul 10 2018
04:35:29 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
oh thats fantastic!!! I'm so glad it's working out for all of them!

I didn't mention this before because our focus was on lilbit, but there is a strict list of fruits n veg that is fed with bml. The fruit and veg are part of what makes the diet balanced so if you haven't started using them with it, you should. The allowed fruits n veg are...

apple
any kind of melon
grapes
cherries
blueberries

peas
carrots
corn
green beans

and if you buy a bag of frozen mixed veg, there is usually lima beans in them, they are ok to feed and aren't many of them

make sure you don't get a soup blend mix there are usually onions in those blends.

This is also listed under the recipe on the bml website if you need the list again.
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Jul 10 2018
05:13:13 PM
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I did read that :) i premixed veg and fruits seperately and put them in jars so i just have to scoop them out and serve :) thank you!!

Edited by - Kstacit on Jul 10 2018 05:13:41 PM
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Jul 10 2018
05:29:53 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2843 Posts
ohhh goood deal!! I'm glad you paid attention to that even though I forgot lol
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Jul 10 2018
05:36:29 PM
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So, he's down to 11g instead of 12. #128559; he has no grip. And still kinda moves like before in my other posts video
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