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Posted by: Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Mac
When: 11:25 PM, 11 Oct 2000
IP: 12.77.80.142
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Hey Mac...I have noticed that you really want a glider. However at the same time I read that yoy don't have the money for one. Gliders are expensive pets....not just the glider themselves. Its expensive to own them period. The caging, toys, and food is expensive. The vet bills are very expensive. A healthy glider needs to go to the vet at least 2 times a year. A healthy visit isn't cheap. Taking a sick glider to the vet is very expensive. Trust me I know about this one.

I paid 150 dollars for my first glider....however that first month I spent over 500 dollars on him.

You never stop spending money no matter how long you have the glider.

So many people have to give their gliders away because they can no longer afford them.

Maybe you should think about waiting until you have saved up some more money.



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Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: money
When: 11:37 PM, 11 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.34

I'll have money soon because I'm getting a job at a local company. I know they are expensive pets. All pets are fairly expensive to keep healthy and feed. I had three iguanas ans two large boas for four years until I moved up here to go to college. Iggys and boas don't make great apartment pets, so I got rid of them. I'm not broke right now, but I really can't afford to buy a pair of gliders from the pet shop for 350 bucks plus the cage, food and other necessities. I wouldn't be inquiring if I wasn't able to support them. Thanks for the reply.



Posted by: Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Pets
When: 12:32 AM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 12.77.80.142

Since glider sare exotices they do require more money then most pets. I have had many pets and the gliders are by far a LOT more expensive than what I have had.

I have had dogs, cats, fish, ferrets, hamsters, gerbils, frogs, rabbits, slamanders, newts.

Gliders are by far a lot more expensive than any of the other pets I have and have had.



Posted by: Pixygirl, lindseywebb@yahoo.com
Subject: Mac
When: 3:53 AM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 38.29.127.226


I am sorry I don't mean to be rude at all. I know you are new. But I hate to see the words: GET RID OF and PET in the same sentance. I have ball pythons and they make great appartment pets. I hope that for your gliders won't be so easly "gotten rid of..." frown



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: none
When: 7:18 AM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.39

They were large boas ans iguanas, I only have a limited amount of space, and plus, I'm up at night and have more time to play with the gliders because I'm in school most of the day. I didn't kill them or dump them out on the side of the road, I gave them to my friend that has seen me raise them from babies. He knew how to take care of them almosta as good as I did. I wouldn't have any reason to "get rid of" a pair of gliders if i ever got the chance to own them. Don't be so quick to judge. I see where you might have gotten the wrong idea, but there was a good reason for me to allow my best friend to "adopt" them. Sorry for the confusion. Thanx raspberry smile ;)



Posted by: Dawn, Capriceb@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 9:12 AM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 205.188.192.161

I just want to reinforce what Mary said, so you don't think her $ quote about the first month of ownership was a fluke -- When I got my female, she was $150. Add on a $60 vet bill to make sure she didn't have any problems, $500 for a cage, $200 for toys, bowls, pouches, various accessories, and food, and you've got a grand total of $910 for the first month. When I got my male, he was $190. Within a short time, he got an injury which ended up costing over $400 in vet bills (x-rays, tests, etc.). I won't even add on the lost time at work when I stayed home with him to make sure he was OK. $590 in the first couple of months for him. In less than 6 months, we spent $1500 on these two -- that's $250 a month. And that's just on the big things. I spend as much at the grocery store on them as I would for a child. Are you prepared for that?

Mary is right, gliders are a lot more expensive than other pets, are extremely high maintenance, and need a lot of time and attention, for 12-16 years. Please consider carefully. They are very rewarding pets, but you need to be prepared for the cost in both money and time. Maybe you should wait until you're well established at your new job before you decide? Understand that I'm not trying to tell you not to get a glider, I just want you to make sure you can handle the expense, because if a glider gets sick, you can't wait til the next pay day to take it to the vet.

Dawn



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: none
When: 10:38 AM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.52

I understand, but I've already looked at everything and the cage and accessories won't cost more than $500. Vet bills however are unpredictable. Thank you for sharing that with me.



Posted by: Jill, skibuny1@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 11:11 AM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 209.218.161.65

Dawn,

What kind of cage do you have that costs $500?



Posted by: John Derek, jdg716@yahoo.com
Subject: Just my thoughts..
When: 3:17 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 204.48.27.130

and this goes to all.

If you know in a few years you will be moving or can't keep them for the next 15, don't get one.

If your not a breeder and can't get the male neutered, don't get one.

If you have ANY I mean ANY doughs, don't get one.

If you know your not willing to sacrifice your pets for your career or life, don't get one.

If you can't put your pets first because they are not ever like kids to you, don't get one.

Just my thoughts and opinions.



Posted by: John Derek, jdg716@yahoo.com
Subject: none
When: 3:54 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 204.48.27.130

Oh, I just saw this one too by a girl here in town.

If you can't keep a job, don't get a glider!



Posted by: angi, xxoooxxxoo@aol.com
Subject: tips for everyone
When: 4:22 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 172.131.191.8

hello all.....

i just got a glider not more than 4 months ago and have done a few things to save money.....

i paid $165 for my little sweetheart and at first(she was only like 3 months old/out of pouch--i think) i got a birdcage for her until i could get more money to get a better cage.....but i keep reading about how you guys spend up to $500 on cages.....

all you really need is to buy some wood(make sure it won't split easily as your glider will most likely chew on it)--
*a flat piece for the bottom (2'x2' worked for us)
*4 long pieces for the corners (we used about 3 or 4 foot pieces)
*4 long pieces for the sides of the base(the same length of the flat one's edges)

then buy some coated wire screening that is criss-cross(so the glider can climb all over in all different directions)

put the base together by nailing the edge pieces to the flat piece along the outside edges.

then nail the long pieces to the inside edges(corners) of the base

take the screening and drape it up the side of the "cage" and staple into place(from the outside of course)

once you have all 4 sides up(screened), take a piece that will fit over the top and weave another piece of teh same coated wire (just the wire not the screen) through the holes attaching it at the edges of the top and sides

lastly cut a decent sized hole in on of the sides of the cage and attach a slightly bigger one over the hole

you can attach it in more than one way--we just bent the exess wire on one of the sides of it around the side of the cage for a hinge then attached the other side with hair clippies (for easy accessability)

this cage will only run you $50 at the most

as soon as i can get some pictures of it, i will upload them for all to see it!!!! it may not be the prettiest thing in the world but its a lot cheaper and your glider will surely thank you for it for they will have a 2x2x4 area to run around and play in....



Posted by: KarenE, KarenElfrank@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 4:30 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 205.188.193.158

I have to agree with everyone about the high cost of owning a glider. Going one step further than John's "If you can't keep a job, don't get one" ... definitely if you are supporting yourself on a, G O D I hate this word, BUDGET - definitely under no circumstances get one!!!
Owning one of these little creatures will probably mean that your budget won't be worth the paper you figured it out on.
If you are your own sole support, with all the bills that come with it, and don't have an "excellent" job or vast amounts of overtime, then a sugar glider is probably not the best choice.
Mac, I'm sure you are so thrilled that you posted here trying to find a glider, aren't you? We're not trying to give you a hard time, just stating some distasteful facts.
If you have already made up your mind, then nothing we can say will change it - BUT it might help someone else who is struggling with the same decision smile



Posted by: Maria, dmeexotics@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 6:08 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 152.163.204.188

On the subject of cages, don't make one with wood. Wood retains odors and can smell really bad. You need to use wire to make cages, but you can save a lot of money by making your own cage instead of buying one.



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: Long Follow Up
When: 6:25 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.55

Like I said before- my parents are paying for the college costs, so my job pays for the extra things I want. I'm going to be working from 4 pm- 1 am 5 days a week, that's all extra spending money. There's no way a couple of gliders will cost anywhere close to that to keep on a good diet and get regular vet checkups. I've seen the small cages they keep them in at pet shops that cost up to $150. They are only like 2 by 2 by 3, with nothing to play on or anything, just a water bottle and a food dish. I'm going home this weekend and I'm going to make a huge cage that will fit in my apartment room. It's going to have two stories, a nest box or two, stuff to climb on and a wodent wheel. I go ot bed every night at 3 or 4 anyways, so I'll have plenty of time to play with them. I'm going to make sure that they stay in the cage at night and when I'm not around to watch them, I'm NOT going to try to feed them all kinds of stuff that I eat, NOT going to d oany of that stuff you think I'm going to do. I know I don't know everything there is to know about them, no one knows EVERYTHING. I understand these little guys mean a lot to you, they are just like any other pet you raise from a baby, you worry about them if you have to give them up. Sorry for the persistent follow ups, you all know my email, so if you want to sell some gliders in a few weeks, Email me and I'll get back to you. For now, I'm going to lay off this Glider Gossip for a while.



Posted by: Bourbon
Subject: none
When: 8:04 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 216.248.35.238

Mac, you have already made up your mind, all these posts were letting you see that this is common. When you say there is no way a glider can cost that much, I had to step in. I for one and I know a few others here have as well, spent many hundreds of dollars on vet bills, not for my gliders (as I have been extremely lucky), but for others that thought it wouldn't take much, and when the time comes the money isn't there. The gliders are put down because of the exuberant vet bills, we have seen after 6 months to a year later people tire of them and they are ready to move on to something a lot less high maintenance. You talk about the cages that pet shops have their gliders in. Pet shops do not have a reputation (most) for knowing how to properly care for the animals they have. Many couldn't even tell you what the proper diet should be. There are many many stories out there. We can only let you know, what you do with that info is up to you. and we can hope that you don't just read it, but that you absorb it as well. PLEASE read the realstories page.
Read about the hind leg paralysis TYPE sysmptoms, the undiagnosed illnesses the misc illnesses, and that is providing you home is totally glider proof. If not, then read the hazzards in the home as well.
that page is at
<a href=http://www.angelfire.com/nb/sugarglider/realstories>http://www.angelfire.com/nb/sugarglider/realstories</a>

and by the way I am sorry, if my pets out grew mu home, it would be time for a bigger home. I assumed the responsibility of them, as they didn't have the choice to come to me. Therefore it is up to me to care for them. Much like our kids..



Posted by: Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Money and cages
When: 8:24 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 12.77.81.26

Making a cage out of wood is a pretty bad idea..just like Maria said. The wire needs to be no larger than 1/2inch by 1/2 inch. The wire should be pvc coated. At the very least the cage should be 3 feet tall. Thats really not tall enough for most gliders. My cage is almost 5 ft tall..and if I had room it would be taller.

As far as the money you will be surprised. I do work full time, but I have had vet visits to cost me so much that I had to borrow money from my parents. I never expected to have to go to the vet so often...and I had no clue how expensive exotic vets were. From what i had read gliders don't get sick that often...so I didn't think I would have to go to the vet very often. I was sadly mistaken. Just 3 weeks after I got my glider I had to go to the vet because he had girardia...in all the reaserch I had done I had never read that you can not give a glider tap water. That vet visit cost me over 100 dollars. In the past 6 months I have been to the vet 5 times. For a healthy visit it is 65 dollars...that is 65 dollars for the vet just to see me...its another 12 dollars for an examination. All that means is they weigh the glider...hold it..look at its teeth and eyes..and all that stuff..I dont remember how much a fecal is but I think its between 8-12 dollars more. If they get medication it is very expensive. This is the cheapest exotic vet in this area. Ofocurse that is the rate per glider. Most of my vet visits have been around 120 dollars..but I have had them as expensive as 200 dollars. This is with minor vet visits. If you need somethign serious done it gets to be real expensive.

Have you found a good exotices vet for gliders? If you don't think they are expensive maybe you should find a vet and find out how much its going to cost for their normal exams every 6 months.



Posted by: monica
Subject: none
When: 9:48 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 152.163.204.197

What do you mean, you can not give a glider tap water? I did not know that.



Posted by: Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Girardia
When: 10:16 PM, 12 Oct 2000
IP: 12.77.81.26

Girardia is a parasite that lives in tap water. Gliders are very effected by this parasiet..the symptoms can kill your glider. I was giving my glider tap water everyday until he got girardia and got very sick suddenly. Gliders should never be given tap water...you need to get a water filyeration system that filters girardia. PUR water systems filters girardia 99%. Spring water is less likely to conatin girardia but it is not filtered at all so they can still get it from spring or bottled water.

People can live with girardia for a long time and never relaize it..however it can eat a glider alive because of their body weight.

If you go to <a href=http://www.sugarglider.net>http://www.sugarglider.net</a> do a search for girardia..you can read my story..and other people talking about girardia. I did not know about girardia at the time but since then I have reaserched it and found that is very commonly found in public water systems. I have also found that lots of other gliders have gotten girardia.



Posted by: chrissy, crisi 13@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 12:23 AM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 152.163.213.78

anyone know how to make a cage and not use wood???? I made my gliders cage it is made with wood and I have a male and he marks the cage,,,, I don't think the smell is that bad, I am working on owning a mini zoo raspberry (seriously though ) maybe I will make a new cage I WILL NOT pay for those expensive bird cages the price is rediculous! I will be moving next summer to a larger place and plan on building a larger cage (never seen any bird cages or other cages for sale as large as I would like to build my gliders cage) so anyone that builds there own cage or can point me in the right direction for building my own with out the wood,,,,let me know *thanks* smile



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: woodless cage
When: 12:46 AM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.57

You can buy plastic coated hardware cloth at the local hardware store and cut it with diagonal pliers to the size you want. They make special ties to tie the wire together. It's pretty simple if you make the four sides first, count the wires to make them even. Then make the top and bottom the same size as each other to fit the sides. If you want, you can easily make a two or three level cage by cutting them the size of the top and bottom, but on one side, cut 1/3rd the way from each side, making the cut go about five inches from the other side. Don't cut the middle out, bend it down so it makes "stairs" to the next level. If you want to make a second story, make another piece the same as the first story, but turn it 90 degrees and cut the "stairs" so they touch the side of the first level. It's hard to explain without a diagram. I'll have one drawn up bacause I'm making one for my new gliders. Reply tonight and I might have them drawn up for you.



Posted by: chrissy, crisi 13@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 12:59 AM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 152.163.213.78

very interested!! I used the coated hardware cloth for the cage I have now, but I have only seen it sold in a width of 2ft. So what would you do for the sides that are lets say..... 5ft tall and 6ft wide? Also, how do you make the edges of the hardware cloth smooth after you cut it, I think it is hard to cut REAL close to the edge and where can you buy the ties to tie the wire together? Last question, how would you make a 2ftx5ftx6ft cage sturdy ? seems that large of a cage just made with the wire alone would be unsturdy, I would really be interested in your diagram! Also, did you find a pair of gliders?



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: woodless cage
When: 1:19 AM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.57

You can buy plastic coated hardware cloth at the local hardware store and cut it with diagonal pliers to the size you want. They make special ties to tie the wire together. It's pretty simple if you make the four sides first, count the wires to make them even. Then make the top and bottom the same size as each other to fit the sides. If you want, you can easily make a two or three level cage by cutting them the size of the top and bottom, but on one side, cut 1/3rd the way from each side, making the cut go about five inches from the other side. Don't cut the middle out, bend it down so it makes "stairs" to the next level. If you want to make a second story, make another piece the same as the first story, but turn it 90 degrees and cut the "stairs" so they touch the side of the first level. It's hard to explain without a diagram. I'll have one drawn up bacause I'm making one for my new gliders. Reply tonight and I might have them drawn up for you.



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: none
When: 1:41 AM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.79

did you get my email, I couldn't tell if it was crici_13@aol.com or crisi13@aol.com or crisi 13@aol.com raspberry



Posted by: Brittney Jones, chdrfry@hotmail.com
Subject: cage plans
When: 11:40 AM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 24.22.195.139

Chrissy--
This web site should help you. He does a great job of explaining how to build a cage out of pvc coated wire. I'm currently looking for some coated wire. I built my cage out of galvanized wire because I couldn't find any that was coated, just so that they would have a larger area while I was searching. My cage is currently 2'x 1.75'x 5.5'. They love it. Hope this helps you a little.

Brittney

<a href=http://www.angelfire.com/tx/facehugger/cageplans.html>http://www.angelfire.com/tx/facehugger/cageplans.html</a>



Posted by: Jane
Subject: Mac Please dont
When: 12:00 PM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 63.84.193.2

Lets analyse facts
You are a college student
You plan to have a job from 4 pm to 1 am five nights a week
You are short of cash currently
and you gave up previous pets because they did not fit into your current life style.
You are NOT a good prospective glider owner. I would recommend to anyone not to sell you a glider. It is all too likely you would be selling it/them within the year. Please save the bother to yourself and the animal. Sorry to be harsh but your facts speak for themself.



Posted by: Dawn, capriceb@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 12:08 PM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 12.4.177.226

Jill -- you asked about my $500 cage -- it is a large fancy number shaped like a house, with a copper roof and trim -- really beautiful. After Petey became ill, we considered that the copper may have caused a reaction when urinated on, so I ended up removing all the copper. frown So, I pretty much reduced the value to $50-100 ----- not that I'm complaining, anything for my babies!

Mac -- I just want to make sure you understand that none of the above information was posted to give you grief, or to judge or condemn you personally. When I first started reading GG, I sort of felt like the folks on here were members of a secret club I didn't know the password to -- in some ways, it sort of felt like they wanted to keep "new" people out. Then I came to realize through my interactions with them, and through their postings, that everyone here really cares deeply about these critters, and are thinking of the glider first and foremost. If that means coming on strong to someone who doesn't seem to have all the facts, so be it -- the life, health, and happiness of the glider is what matters most.

The reason these folks (me included) said all the things that were said above is just what Bourbon alluded to -- we have all seen the posts saying "I got done with school and now have no time for my glider", or "I can't afford them any more", or "he got sick and the vet bills were too much, and he died". Because of that, we all stress and stress and stress some more all the nitty gritty real-world facts to make sure someone intersted in getting a glider knows the skinny, and is well-educated when making such a long term commitment.

I hope you have taken this all with an open mind. And know that, from personal experience, as long as you have the good of your glider at the very top of your priority list, you will be welcomed here.



Posted by: Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Chrissy
When: 12:25 PM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 12.77.82.234

Its very easy to make a cage with no wood. My boyfriend has made several. All you need is PVC pipe for the corners...pvc coated cage wire (if you buy from klubertaz its very sturdy and stiff), cable ties, and some kind of bottom...we go to target and get a plastic lid..then build the cage in it. Its very easu. Cutting the wire is the hardest part. Then you can use a dremel to smooth out the edges. Its extremly sturdy and doesn't smell at all...its also very easy to climb so they don't need any levels.



Posted by: chrissy, crisi 13@aol.com
Subject: none
When: 11:32 PM, 13 Oct 2000
IP: 152.163.201.189

MAC got your email and will respond soon! (I am way behind on email!!!!!!)
Brittney thanks for the site will check out.
Mary what size pvc pipe, do you have any pics of any of your cages, I would love to see them.
also I want to build a cage that is 5'tall x 6'long x 2' deep. would you have made any real large cages.



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: None of you know me
When: 4:58 PM, 14 Oct 2000
IP: 204.178.119.102

If you have been one of the few nice people that have tried to help me find gliders that need homes, this post isn't for you. Why is almost everyone on this website trying to make me believe they know what my life is like? You have never seen me or actually talked to me, just read what I have typed on my computer. How do you expect me to pay for a glider and vet bills if I don't work? I decided on my own with no influence from any of you that I am going to save enough money to buy a pair of gliders, a large cage, toys, food, and have enough left over for future vet bills. I wouldn't be so quick to judge any of you by what you have wrote to me, I really don't know any of you, and if I did, I might realize what nice people you are. Do you think I made it into college without any sense of responsibility? I bought my own vehicle and payed my rent for two years in advance by working my butt off 6 days a week building houses this Summer and surprisingly enough, was still able to support my reptiles. How do you expect me to have enough room in my apartment for three iguanas and two boas? If I did try to cram them in my room I'd be hurting them more than helping. I've known the person I gave them to since I was 5, and I knew he knew how to take care of them. Just try to not be so judgemental of others by what you read on this site. if everyone was so judgemental in life, they wouldn't make it too far. I don't know why I should explain my financial status with you anyway, none of you have. Sorry about the long post once again, I had to get this off my chest. Dont' worry about ever seeing me on this website again, I'll just have to figure it out for myself when I have a problem. frown



Posted by: Rocki'sMom, babygirl@ccp.com
Subject: none
When: 5:38 PM, 14 Oct 2000
IP: 216.60.86.85

Mac, Please don't leave because of a few posters here. It is true....some can be very judgmental, but you can also find a lot of nice people here with lots of information to offer you. I also agree that you should not have to explain your finances to anyone here, you are right, no one else her has to. I happen to know first had that some of the best of glider owners that have posted here have things kinda tight financially too. I just hope that you continue to visit this and other boards regardless of a few who don't seem very nice. You may find that they actually are and if not, just ignore the bad and take away any good you can get and also please stay to post any good you may be able to share. I hope you find some gliders, I'm sure you'll make a great glider parent.

Carolyn & the Glider Crew 23

Moderated as it made reference to events best left undiscussed. Moderator



Posted by: Derek, wyldfyre69@altavista.com
Subject: none
When: 7:57 PM, 14 Oct 2000
IP: 32.100.181.31

on the cages thing i only spent $34 on mine and me and my dad built it heres how we did it we got some steel rods welded them together and put some wire on it and attached the wire to the rods
then that did it its 5'6 tall and 2' wide
and it works out just fine



Posted by: Jane
Subject: mac
When: 4:56 PM, 15 Oct 2000
IP: 24.147.186.105

Mac teh point is unless you are superhuman you have a choice of being able to do college and work, or college and time for your gliders. As you need money from the job to keep the gliders it would seem to be mutually exclusive. You will need to spend hours a night playing with them for their enjoyment and for them to have a good life. You may be a terrific glider owner but probably not NOW. Look at all the ads look at them saying they are selling because of lack of time. Will that be you if so then wait a few years they live for fifteen years waiting a year or two will not matter in the long run. You will do what you want but if you do get some and then have to sell them please do not do it here as such ads turn my stomach.
We are sick of telling people like you their life does not fit gliders then in a few months seeing them ask us to help get rid of the glider. If you REALLY want a glider you WILL wait but if this is a fad you will go ahead.



Posted by: Mac Jank, Smack_Daddy_53@hotmail.com
Subject: none
When: 8:45 PM, 15 Oct 2000
IP: 161.109.6.50

Thanks for being nice AND trying to help me at the same time.



Posted by: Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Sorry
When: 9:21 PM, 16 Oct 2000
IP: 12.77.81.160

I am sorry that this thread was taken so negativly.
I have had financial difficulties before, and I know how hard it can be. I would not have ever posted this if I didn't know myself how expenive gliders could be.

I reaserched gliders for several months before getting one, howeevr I did not fully understand the cost before buying one. I wish I had fully understood...and I was only trying to help with this post.

Sorry to cause any negative feelings...my intention was only to help.



Posted by: Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu
Subject: Chrissy
When: 9:24 PM, 16 Oct 2000
IP: 12.77.81.160

Sorry Chrissy I forgot to respond to you. I will have to ask my boyyfriend he makes the cages I just help out. The pipes are very small...so iy may be the smallest size avaliable. He has made several cages and he does make them pretty big. The cage we have no is almost 5 foot tall and 2 ft deep and 1 and a half feet acrross....I think thats right. He could make them bigger...but I don't want them too big. I don't have a scanner so I have no way to post a pic of my cage, sorry. I will however ask him what size the pipes are. I know they are easy to make..each time we have made them in a coiple of hours. Cutting the cage wire seems to just take a while.