 | Posted by: | Jim, GREYHOLL@aol,com | | Subject: | I NEED ADVICE WHETHER TO ADD | | When: | 9:05 PM, 21 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.192 |
I am kind of taking a poll as to whether I should add another glider with our SUPER FRIENDLY male..We would love to add a female for him, and possibly breed a few times and then get him neutured.....We have read pros and cons to adding, and we don't want him to dis-bond so to speak with US....Would gettting a female create him to be aggressive towards us? or the other glider.... I mean he is so friendly that my 4 year old handles him also, and Gibby loves all of us.....Please help....E-mail me and give me some information....Thanks Jim
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| Posted by: | Bourbon | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:51 PM, 21 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 24.48.198.175 |
I would leave that decision up to the glider...
here is a page you may want to check out.. this page was written and added to by many breeders and owners that have experiences both pro and con..
<a href=http://www.angelfire.com/nb/sugarglider/tips/intros.html>http://www.angelfire.com/nb/sugarglider/tips/intros.html</a>
| Posted by: | Rachel2, SugarGMommy@aol.com | | Subject: | This is what I have experience | | When: | 11:15 PM, 21 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 152.163.213.79 |
I bought Sugar Ray almost two years ago. I tamed him very well. He is the tamest out of my six gliders. He is very bonded to me, hates to come out of my shirt, hates strangers,etc. I got him in Nov. 98. Sugar Ray is so tame he amazed the breeder. [He may even be more tame than Bourbon's glider Baybe. >:) Or maybe an even tie for first.]Then in July of 99, I was able to get him a prospective new best friend. We picked out a new little boy and after 3 days of naming him decided on Taylor. We waited a couple of weeks and then decided to try an introduction. Taylor took to SugarRay immediately. Sugar Ray would carry Taylor on his back like he was Taylor's mommy. One and a half years later, Sugar Ray is still as tame as ever. Taylor is the dominant glider and SugarRay gets "scented" each night. Even though they are both neutered, Taylor tries to mark him.
This is the best case scenario. Gliders don't always get along. Taylor got out of my room the other night and tried to attack one of my new gliders. Just keep that in mind.
| Posted by: | none | | Subject: | none | | When: | 9:59 PM, 22 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 205.188.193.28 |
I thank you both for your response.....Now help me with this.....I am more than likely getting two female gliders who are very tame...although bonded to their original owner, they are sisters, my male is still a baby, do you think they can live in harmony together, or seperate, of course seperate at first......PLEASE give me advice.....Thanks
| Posted by: | Eva And Stefan, eva007@cheerful.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:08 AM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 64.250.8.174 |
just make sure, if you are going to put them together make sure you take your time with the introduction process. give it a few WEEKS with them in seprate cages. so they can get used to there being other glidders around and each others sounds. Then I would put the cages next to each other but not close enough for them to touch each other. because they could reach through and hurt each other, do that for a week or two. then I would move the cages so they can touch each other, but only when you have time to sit and watch them so if something goes wrong you can separate them again before one of them get hurt. Then after they get used to that then I would take them out so they can play on your shoulders for a few minutes then put them back in there own cages. and continue to do that dayly graduallly increasing thier time together. untill your POSATIVE they will be O.k in the same cage. Its all for the good of the glidders. I've heard storys about how gliders were introduced right away and they fell asleep together on their owner so they were put in the same cage only to wake up and start fighting. so just know that slower is better. with my glidders even after I go through all that to introduce them I still stay up as late as I can and then sleep next to thier cage so if something still happens I am there to moderate. well I hope this helps ya.
let me know how everything turns out!
Eva
| Posted by: | Maria, dmeexotics@aol.com | | Subject: | none | | When: | 11:19 AM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 204.134.5.156 |
There may be a problem with putting your little boy with 2 females. Trio breeding often doesn't work very well because the females can fight over the joeys and even kill them. I had a trio with 2 sisters and a male and thought all was going well. Both females had joeys oop at about the same time, then, when the joeys were about 3 weeks oop, I came in to find the mamas sharing a joey snack. The other poor little one was dead on the floor of the cage. Since then, I have never had a trio together.
| Posted by: | Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | Neutering | | When: | 2:17 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.82.28 |
If you want to put a male with two females please get the meutered fist...also rememeber if the two females are bonded to each other they may or may not accept the male. Please watch to make sure they allow him to eat. Some owners have theough the trio was perfectly happy, and then they find a dead glider that was starved to death, ebcause the other two would not let that one eat.
| Posted by: | Amber, a_cain75@hotmail.com | | Subject: | Hmm | | When: | 3:15 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 135.214.192.23 |
My friend has been having an ongoing problem with integrating his two gliders; the male probably got used to be the center of attention and having his enormous cage to himself and zipping up and down the pieces of fabric hanging on the walls for him to climb on. If he WAS lonely, at least he's getting more exercise now even if he's still nesting alone, since everytime the new girl comes near his cage he makes a big fuss and chases her away. The few times he's managed to catch her, it's been a huge dramatic squabble and she scampers immediately for her cage. They've been marking like crazy in a dispute over maybe 4 square feet of space that lays in between their cages. My theory is (and tell me if you think I'm wrong): he's caught her several times and he has teeth and he knows it so if he wanted to, he could have bitten her really badly and hurt her, broken the skin, by now. But he hasn't, so I think that maybe my friend could be more aggressive in trying to get them to coexist in one cage? Whaddya think?
| Posted by: | Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | No! | | When: | 3:29 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.82.28 |
I don't agree at all. Gliders will try to chase the other opne way...they won't always arrack if they don't have to. As long as the male is chasing her and yelling at her then he doesn't want her near him. He hasn't had to bite her yet, because she goes away when he tells her to. If they are put in the same cage together she will have no escape. If the male feels that she is not leaving his territory he can become even more agressive. It is much like any other animal. They try to scare you away by hissing, growling, barking..etc. They do not want to attack unl;ess they feel that they have to. If you invade that animals space then they become more agressive often biting then. Not all times, but a lot of times when someone is bitten by an animal they have had plenty of warning from that animal. If the female is put in the males cage, she will have no escape. He may never bite her, but he can prevent her from eating or drinking water. he can chase around so much that she gets stressed. He can chase her away from all the sleeping areas, so that she has no place to sleep. Putting the female in the males territory can only be trouble if he doesn't want her there. He still needs time to acdept her, and he may bever accept her.
| Posted by: | Amber, a_cain75@hotmail.com | | Subject: | Hey | | When: | 10:51 PM, 23 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 135.214.192.23 |
Hmm.. you're probably right. He did put her in his cage for about an hour the other day and he chased her just about the whole time. I figured he'd settle down after a bit. (of course I know little about gliders and too much about dog behavior and I figured that in dog-speak, I growl at you and you go away means I win and I am in charge and I can continue to get things the way I want) Any ideas?
| Posted by: | Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | Well | | When: | 1:29 PM, 24 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.82.134 |
Well gliders are somewhat that way in the sense that they crab and you run away...but a glider considers their cage their territory, and some will accept no other gliders there...as long as the other glider is in the cage then they feel they are still in their space...they will keep trying to get rid of them.
One thing that may help is this. Try taking both the glider to a small neuteral territory. A lot of times a bathroom works well. You want it to eb a palce that neither one have marked or feel is their property. They will be less posseive if they don't feel they own it. Take them there durring the day while they are still real sleepy. They will fight less if they are tired. Try getting them to play that way or sleep together there. If you can accompish this then you will be moving forward a lot. Some pople buy an entire new cage when they add a glider ebcause they want to put them in it at the same time..you don't wnat one glider to feel they own the cage. If you do the new cage thing then you need to wash everything in the cage so that it smells as neueral as possible.
| Posted by: | Amber, a_cain75@hotmail.com | | Subject: | hmm | | When: | 11:33 PM, 25 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 135.214.192.46 |
Well, my friend has the hugest cage known to man so I don't even want to know how much it might cost to replace even if selling it was an option so maybe we could wash it? I read somewhere else online that baking soda is good nontoxic but maybe that'll just make him mark it up like mad when he has a spare moment.. but we will try your suggestion and thanks for the feedback, it's appreciated (if arranged marriage doesn't work in most human cultures should we expect it to work with the gliders? hahaha)
| Posted by: | Amber, a_cain75@hotmail.com | | Subject: | oh! | | When: | 11:39 PM, 25 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 135.214.192.46 |
incidentally, the male glider was neutered before his little imported bride (grin) came into the picture.. at least if he weren't fixed we could hold out hope for him coming around when she smells nice and ready.. well, maybe he'll remember how nice it used to smell before. hahaha. hmm, do gliders go into heat? never thought of that. Also of note, the male was a loner originally b/c he wasn't bought, he was found. My friend came out in the backyard in Austin, TX one morning and found this thing on his tomato plants, snatching the last one left. He held out his arm and it ran right up it, and thus without even knowing what the creature was a sugar glider owner was born! 
| Posted by: | Mary, intr01dc@frank.mtsu.edu | | Subject: | Hrm | | When: | 10:25 PM, 26 Sep 2000 | | IP: | 12.77.81.42 |
thats very odd to find a glider. Since they were so friendly, and since gliders are not native here I assume it was someones pet. Did your friend contact the neighbors and try to find out whos glider it was? I can't imagine how a glider would get loose outside..but I would be devesated to lose my glider that way and never know what happened to them.
You could try washing the cage...and yes they will rescent it..but they can rescent it togetehr...right now it just smels like the male.
Also since you do not know is history there could be some abuse int he past. its possible he was ina cage with other gliders that kstreated him. Gliders that have been treated that way by other gliders will often bond to people and not wnat anything to do with other gliders. He may have had a bad experience in the past, so he may be scared that this new glider will hurt him.
the glider may also love his owner so much that he is jealous of the new glider. there are many possibilites. All she can do is keep trying. Tell her to give hikm some extra love so he knows she still loveshim. Give hima special treat and some playtimewith just her. It may take him awhile to realize that a new glider doesn't mean he will be neglected.
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