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[quote][i]Originally posted by Anonymous[/i]
[br]Would you be willing to donate $5 every month or $50 once a year to an effort to fight against companies that exploit sugar gliders through mass breeding and sales; primarily P P P?

The cash would probably all go to operating costs for a new website with much larger offshore hosting expenses.  This is an effort to duplicate their own methods for protecting themselves against prosecution for their various anti-community and misinformation web sites with stolen copyrighted materials.  I suppose the "membership" would buy you access to the non-public forums and the private wiki database collection on all of these people, and recent activity counts will give you weighted voting rights on how to handle any excess money or activities that come about.  I think creating a group like this that doesnt hide the balance sheet from its members would be a good way to get started.

Fighting fire with fire is going to cost a bit but with enough people behind it we can make a move together and possibly hurtfully dent their marketing attempts.

The problem here is maintaining anonymity.  Is anybody familiar with Chinese bank accounts and International stuff like that?  The goal isnt to hide from the feds; just sleezy lawyers with canned threat letters on hand as many of you have gotten first hand from these creeps.

Who knows, if enough "membership" is collected, perhaps the funds could go towards creating a class action suit against these people for the hundreds of recorded short term deaths of the animals they sell.  Thank you mill breeder project.

Feel free to respond anon in this thread with ideas for action of any kind.

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Anonymous Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 08:40:04 PM Would you be willing to donate $5 every month or $50 once a year to an effort to fight against companies that exploit sugar gliders through mass breeding and sales; primarily P P P? The cash would probably all go to operating costs for a new website with much larger offshore hosting expenses. This is an effort to duplicate their own methods for protecting themselves against prosecution for their various anti-community and misinformation web sites with stolen copyrighted materials. I suppose the "membership" would buy you access to the non-public forums and the private wiki database collection on all of these people, and recent activity counts will give you weighted voting rights on how to handle any excess money or activities that come about. I think creating a group like this that doesnt hide the balance sheet from its members would be a good way to get started. Fighting fire with fire is going to cost a bit but with enough people behind it we can make a move together and possibly hurtfully dent their marketing attempts. The problem here is maintaining anonymity. Is anybody familiar with Chinese bank accounts and International stuff like that? The goal isnt to hide from the feds; just sleezy lawyers with canned threat letters on hand as many of you have gotten first hand from these creeps. Who knows, if enough "membership" is collected, perhaps the funds could go towards creating a class action suit against these people for the hundreds of recorded short term deaths of the animals they sell. Thank you mill breeder project. Feel free to respond anon in this thread with ideas for action of any kind.
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filly47 Posted - Nov 04 2009 : 07:24:51 PM If it were a trusted nonprofit company I would be happy to donate what ever I could! Still trying to pay off student loans, so it wouldn't be much, but yes you could could me in!
kazko Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 11:57:26 PM By the way, how did you come up with $5? If there is ten people donating, does $50/month cover the bills for all of this?
kazko Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 10:35:54 PM I know websites and services and ways to do things but I cant say that I've ever looked at conducting business offshore like that. I'm not even sure if it offers the protections you are seeking in this day and age. I guess that is cause for further research if you know a business lawyer. I do know that almost everybody these days with any money has some sort of offshore banking account and they are required to report that on their yearly federal taxes. I dont see why you cant just open up a bank account in Hong Kong or anywhere for that matter with a US based mailing address. Im sure that Hong Kong has Paypal or some such thing to receive payments. I've bought a lot of cheap electronic crap off Ebay that was shipped straight from China, so those guys obviously have a Paypal account somehow to receive US funds. Paypal does office in the states and I wonder if that puts them at risk of lawyer action threats from here even if accounts are based anywhere else. Perhaps if they incorporate differently in those other regions that they are separate entities and are thusly protected from prying civil legal actions. Again, cause for more research. I think that Lucky Ed is savvy in business. Perhaps he has some insight to offer with International stuff. I like the idea you are offering. If you truly hold true to the community steered concept, I think that it could please a lot of people even if little is accomplished. Im game for $5/month to see if this endeavor can do anything positive. If this were a science experiment, hundreds of thousands of dollars would be required to even get it conceptualized, so $5 sounds hot to me and I wont take offense if the community steers my $5 some other way, at least I contributed to the cause.
Anonymous Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 09:34:18 PM It costs a lot to register domains and host offshore. There is a pretty good and specific immediate plan in place but it just requires some cash as do all things. Once going, I believe the site could display financials to the members and discussions could ensue on how to use any extra cash including paying for snailmail campaigns, sending stuff to important people, printing flyers... The main goal is to be offshore and protected from those pesky and highly-threatening legal letters for the registered and directing parties as well as the general membership. The site will be used to counter and poison their efforts in SEO marketing and spreading disinformation. It will be effective and it will cost money. I believe this could become a useful tool even for, if not especially for, the members of the mill breeder project. If it ends up going south as so many animal group things do, the control that members will have on this is to quit supporting the endeavor. I think that a small monthly membership helps to secure this. One very good and immediate outcome is that something will be happening quickly and actively to fight back. If excess funds come in, then those can be used by the group accordingly based on voting. The only problem I see in all of this is doing it offshore. This involves someone banking in another country to create the ability to receive payments and such. Do they have nonprofits in Caymans, China, Singapore, Islands? Is anybody in the group experienced in this kind of thing?
kyro298 Posted - Nov 03 2009 : 08:54:56 PM I can honestly say I'm not sure. The Mill Breeder Project is an organized group collecting factual vet data and I personally feel like that has the potential to do more than just temporarily hurt these jerks. If everyone that had issues with these companies documented their stories and collected vet records, they could get shut down...not just slowed down. It isn't just P P P. They don't even come here. It's fine if people disagree with me but I don't think a handful of people boycotting will do a thing. There's nothing wrong with handing out information flyers. I think that's great. I know I also personally sent a fact-filled letter to the Expo Center here that allows these kinds of vendors. http://www.millbreederproject.com/ I really feel these guys will be able to make a larger impact since they work with vets gathering actual data. It does take time-especially since a lot of people don't get their vet records or submit them. What would the money go towards and who would get it? I think people would really like to have that part answered before they were willing to donate anything. The cause is great, I don't argue that one bit.

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