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Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 07 2011 : 04:59:45 PM
I saw an ad online for a male wfb sugar glider. The mom has leucustic in her. I need a male to breed with my new female joey eventually. I emailed them and they said that the lowest they would take is $175. Do you think I should get him? Since he would eventually be the father of joeys would the joeys sell?
P.S Iam worried that their joey wouldn't sell because this ad has been here for awhile. |
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Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 24 2011 : 01:43:31 PM
Ok, I will ask her about that. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 23 2011 : 05:40:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rachaels gliders
she told me that it was online but I couldn't find it so I probably will have to neuter them.
Ask her to link it directly for you.. I can give a link for any of our parents or their joeys. Any good breeder should typically be able to do the same. It's the easiest and safest way to keep good records and easily check COIs before pairing anyone up. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 08:17:06 PM
she told me that it was online but I couldn't find it so I probably will have to neuter them. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 22 2011 : 06:19:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rachaels gliders
I contacted the breeder yesterday and she said that she would mail me a different copy of it. She said she might have messed it up because she comlpetely retyped it instead of adding them so I will post on the new copy when it comes...I'm a little bit confused with her.
The point it she shouldn't be MAILING anything. These gliders should be recorded online, especially further back in the history.. If they're all just gliders that 'came out of nowhere' and aren't traceable anywhere online then it isn't legit lineage and you were lied to and/or scammed if they were supposed to have lineage.. and again, it isn't safe to breed without, so any males you have should be neutered. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 20 2011 : 08:04:16 PM
I contacted the breeder yesterday and she said that she would mail me a different copy of it. She said she might have messed it up because she comlpetely retyped it instead of adding them so I will post on the new copy when it comes...I'm a little bit confused with her. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 19 2011 : 08:18:37 PM
quote:
Rocky color:wfb
o.o.p 2011/7/28
According to this he isn't even 8 weeks old yet so either she lied to you or she seriously screwed up the lineage.
There is no choice of whether or not to breed, without real lineage you can't breed without knowing that they aren't related.. And this isn't real lineage. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 19 2011 : 07:40:33 PM
and yes I own Rocky, he was 8.5 wks old when I brought him home. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 19 2011 : 07:36:57 PM
sorry, I didn't see that there was a second page  I don't know why they didn't show up...this is just what I have. She seemed knowledgable, but I can't be sure. I haven't completely decided for sure that I want to breed. Iam going to call the breeder and ask about the papers more. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 17 2011 : 02:46:21 PM
Really, nothing? |
Kozi Posted - Sep 15 2011 : 11:04:38 AM
No comments, questions? I'm guessing you're deciding to breed anyway even without lineage? Like we said, lineage isn't simple.. It takes time and money to put together a well matched pair of gliders. Thats why you got the boy as cheap as you did, they likely could not sell him.. Anyone like myself would never buy because that isn't reliable lineage.
And again... Do you own Rocky? If so he was sold very prematurely which is dangerous adhd sometimes deadly. Based on the oop date you listed, that is. |
kyro298 Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:22:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by viciousencounters
quote:
Originally posted by Rachaels gliders
There was more too, I'll put it here.
Lilly
o.o.p 2001
color:leucustic
Gizmo
o.o.p 2000
color:wfg
Zipper
o.o.p 1998
color:wfb
Zooloo
o.o.p 1997
color:wfb
Lady
o.o.p 1994
color:wfg
Zeeba
o.o.p 1995
color:leu her wfb
It looks way different than on the paper the way I typed it.
Is Lady seriously 17 years old?
I think that's "trying" to list generations. Those gliders, born in the 90's, are probably not still around. |
csg Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:20:30 PM
lol Vicious I'm doubtful.
Rachael, that is not lineage, and I looked for myself and Kozi is right. They're not on there. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:19:49 PM
People do falsify lineage, or breed gliders sold as pet only.. That's what this looks like.
Search their names here.
http://www.thepetglider.com/index/view/search-sugar-gliders.html
Some are popular names but keep an eye on color and OOP date and owner/breeder/etc... It doesn't look like the majority of yours are listed which would mean they essentially have no lineage. Even if yours, the most recent of the lines, aren't listed, their ancestors should be...
And I'll ask again, do you own Rocky? If so you bought him prematurely. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:19:35 PM
sorry, it got really messed up when I posted it. I do won Rocky and I posted his o.o.p date wrong. It is July 24th...eight and a half weeks ago. |
viciousencounters Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:16:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rachaels gliders
There was more too, I'll put it here.
Lilly
o.o.p 2001
color:leucustic
Gizmo
o.o.p 2000
color:wfg
Zipper
o.o.p 1998
color:wfb
Zooloo
o.o.p 1997
color:wfb
Lady
o.o.p 1994
color:wfg
Zeeba
o.o.p 1995
color:leu her wfb
It looks way different than on the paper the way I typed it.
Is Lady seriously 17 years old? |
Kozi Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:14:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rachaels gliders
There was more too, I'll put it here.
Lilly
o.o.p 2001
color:leucustic
Gizmo
o.o.p 2000
color:wfg
Zipper
o.o.p 1998
color:wfb
Zooloo
o.o.p 1997
color:wfb
Lady
o.o.p 1994
color:wfg
Zeeba
o.o.p 1995
color:leu her wfb
It looks way different than on the paper the way I typed it.
I haven't searched them all but so far the ones I have aren't listed, like Lilly the leu, no leu with that OOP date.. and if there isn't lineage on a leu you can't breed it, period..
http://www.thepetglider.com
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kyro298 Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:13:49 PM
Maybe it is the way it's coming out, but it didn't look like proper lineage. I think I'm seeing it more clearly now. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:11:06 PM
There was more too, I'll put it here.
Lilly
o.o.p 2001
color:leucustic
Gizmo
o.o.p 2000
color:wfg
Zipper
o.o.p 1998
color:wfb
Zooloo
o.o.p 1997
color:wfb
Lady
o.o.p 1994
color:wfg
Zeeba
o.o.p 1995
color:leu her wfb
It looks way different than on the paper the way I typed it. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:10:22 PM
Ok, no Timmy on the database.
You don't own Rocky, do you? He isn't even 8 weeks old yet by your OOP date...
(There is no Rocky on TPG with that OOP date, either.)
Also no Zoey on TPG with that OOP date..
Leu het isn't a color... can you organize that better.. I'm a bit confused..
This all seems shady to me since all the ones I DID look up aren't listed at all.. |
kyro298 Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:06:22 PM
That isn't their lineage. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:05:49 PM
it didn't show the way I typed it....well anyways i had it in the format it was in on the paper. And when I had it like that I couldn't backspace so also Max is his dad
Max:
o.o.p 2008/7/9
color:wfb |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 08:03:14 PM
lexa
o.o.p 2005/6/2
sammy
o.o.p 2006/3/10
Rocky color:wfb
o.o.p 2011/7/28
color: wfb Lila Zoey
o.o.p 2009/4/03 o.o.p 2004/7/1
color:leu het color:wfb
Timmy
o.o.p 2006/2/5
color: Leucustic |
Kozi Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:41:10 PM
*waits* x_x |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:36:33 PM
alright, I will post it on here. |
csg Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:30:47 PM
You yourself stated you adopted them, there was a joey (or joeys) IP. You were 'going to' have him neutered, then changed your mind so that you can research, while he stayed intact and thus allowing them to continue to breed.
So you've BEEN breeding.
Lineage really needs to be online. This is the only reliable way to calculate COI's of possible pairings.
Paper lineage is helpful so you can sit down with the paper lineages of the gliders in question and visually, side by side, compare them.
Since there's a recorded lineage on them, according to you, I'd like to see it. I have TPG database up in another window right now. Tell me who to search for and what their OOP dates are. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:07:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rachaels gliders
Yes I do have 11 months to figure this out. EXACTLY. The first time that happend as an accident, I didn't know a lot then. Now I still have 11 months if Iam missing out on anything important.
No, you don't.
You're STILL IGNORING EVERYTHING I SAY.
You didn't neuter him, did you? That's STILL ACTIVELY BREEDING. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:06:04 PM
Yes I do have 11 months to figure this out. EXACTLY. The first time that happend as an accident, I didn't know a lot then. Now I still have 11 months if Iam missing out on anything important. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:03:40 PM
Still shouldn't be breeding in my opinion. You didn't know what to even feed them until recently, you still haven't commented on anything I've said about lineage or done anything to show that you know what you're doing. |
Rachaels gliders Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:02:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Kozi Gliders
quote:
Originally posted by Rachaels gliders
That is what Iam trying to say...when I was asking the questions I was researching. Those were the things I needed to know. I do know my gliders lineage. My new wfb's breeder told me about his lineage and I know about my others too. I have been researching. Iam not just going to place them together , expect them to have joeys and sell them. What Im trying to say is that I have done my research. Asking these questions IS researching. The other questions I needed to know I found out from other sited and emailing people. I know that you are just trying to help but you are saying that my sugar gliders don't have lineage but I think I would know.
You bought some random glider and are placing it with another random glider with NO KNOWLEDGE OF LINEAGE.. That is bad.
You don't know since you're saying his joeys are gunna sell cause 'his moms got leu in her'... That is not proper knowledge of lineage and NO WHERE NEAR anywhere enough knowledge to INTENTIONALLY pair gliders up.
Months and MONTHS of research and searching goes into finding the right gliders with the PERFECT lineage to pair up. Just what CSG said, you don't just pull two gliders, male and female, who you THINK MIGHT have lineage and pop 'em together...
Also, you don't NEED TO FIND A BOY to breed with your girl just because you got a girl.
The problem here is that you know nothing of lineage, you may think you do but you've yet to say anything in any of these threads to show that you have any knowledge about any of it.. You're breeding for the sake of breeding, probably cause they're cute and you're hoping to make a buck. Why else would you comment on them 'selling easier'.. It isn't about how easy the sale is..
It's about taking a LOT of time to find the two perfect gliders to go together to have HEALTHY friendly babies with IMPECCABLE lineage to further better the lines and genetics, not to pair 'em up so they 'sell easier'. It won't be easy, you can't just sell to everyone who 'expresses interest'. You need to do interviews, have people fill out forms and look for the BEST potential owners, not just anyone who seems interested and hands you cash.
We're being hard about this because too too many people go into this thinking it's fun, joeys are cute, there may be a profit to be had or they wanna be a 'mommy' to joeys.. But many things can and do often go wrong and then poof, people are back here posting about it, traumatized. Some won't listen and learn for themselves later, stupidly, after putting their gliders through hell and a half.
First of all I commented about them selling easy because I don't want to have a bunch of sugar gliders that need homes...I want them to get homes right away. Also I already have a questionare that people have to fill out on my facebook page before buying them. |
Kozi Posted - Sep 14 2011 : 07:01:08 PM
You said you're not breeding and have 11 months to figure out what you're doing as these mature.. now poof you've been breeding the whole time.
No one can say anything about it being a good deal without seeing the COI of the pair.
You're doing a lot wrong by buying a glider to place with a glider without checking their compatibility or COI. Again, lineage should typically be kept ONLINE.
You commented on the 'mom having leu in her' which shows just how little experience you have with lineage and breeding..
You've yet to resolve any of the things I've mentioned, that's WRONG. So I'm sorry but you're doing something wrong. Breeding without comparing the lineage and knowing the COI FIRST is WRONG. Just because they 'have lineage' doesn't mean you can breed, it doesn't mean squat, really. |
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