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Hikaruthan Posted - Sep 03 2015 : 04:39:48 PM
I recently got 2 joeys oop.they are about a week and a half old.eyes opened.i need the father to pair with a new mate since he's a color and I got two color gliders.(the joeys mom isn't colored)
I want my next litter to be color so I just want to get on with breeding the two colored ones(creamino and leucistic).this is my first litter so I'm a little inexperience.can the joeys survive without their father?i mean if course their mom will be there 24/7
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GLIDEIT Posted - Sep 07 2015 : 10:49:43 PM
If you did your research you'd already know how poor of an idea separating dad is.

What are the risks? Mom getting stressed out and over grooming, mom being overwhelmed at not getting a break and taking it out on her joeys, mom not eating enough because she can't get a proper break, leading to lower milk production and joeys not being able to eat enough...leading to joeys biting at moms nipples in hunger, getting nipped at in response, and possibly being rejected. The risk is you having to find baby joeys cold at the bottom of the cage, and needing to handfeed them every 30 minutes to 2 hours, and then possibly still having them die. Or you might be waking one morning to find Joey pieces in the cage since mom ate her joeys.

Dad does a LOT more than just "teach joeys to eat solid food"; he is their full time babysitter and spends more time in the pouch with them than mom does. For the first couple weeks the joeys are OOP, he will be providing them warmth (without it they could easily die, or simply catch a chill, which is enough to weaken them...possibly enough to make them unable to eat). He will clean them and keep them in the pouch as mom plays and feeds. Without him, the joeys may wander outside of their sleeping pouch, looking for food, and fall out, get cold, die. Removing the dad greatly increases your chances of these joeys not surviving...sorry if that is too harsh advice, but the big risks you're needlessly risking, just so you can have joeys quicker....isn't worth it.

And if you tear a new dad away from his joeys, there's a very good chance he will be upset too. He will hear the Joey cries and be unable to attend. Even worse, his dad urges may lead him to viciously attack any other new gliders you introduce to him, as he feels he needs to defend his territory and his new joeys.

I strongly advise you to wait the 2 months, and continue researching. You can NEVER know too much about these little creatures, especially if you're planning on breeding.
Hikaruthan Posted - Sep 07 2015 : 04:10:29 PM
I maybe inexperienced but I did my homework well and did research onit.i know the father teaches the joeys to eat solid food.......wow look at all the drama from this little question.i just want to know the risk of removing the father and friendly advice.......And trust me when I say I've done my homework.i've read every article I can find about gliders and researched about genetics and everything.......and look at all the advice you gave me.......rude ones mostly with little information on it.of course I know I sho remove until the joeys are 2 months old.i just want to know what the risk is.....but those who gave me friendly ones, thanks
redskinz10 Posted - Sep 04 2015 : 12:57:25 AM
I'd say that if you don't know that the father shouldn't be removed that you prolly shouldn't be breeding yet. Like the above poster stated you can't just pair two colored gliders together and expect the joeys to be the same. Hate to tell you but if the Leu don't carry the the cream het or the cream don't have the leu het then it's the same color joeys that you have now!!! That's just the basics of breeding. How about lineage? Do all your gliders have it? If not that's another reason not to breed them...
GLIDEIT Posted - Sep 03 2015 : 06:48:45 PM
Wow.

Who cares about the bond that mom and dad have, now that they've pumped out boring grey joeys may as well tear that family apart and stress mom out by forcing her to become a single mom just so you can get your coveted "colored" joeys quicker!

And as for those precious colored joeys.... Do your colored gliders have any hets? Because pairing a cremino with a leu is still only going to give you grey joeys, unless they carry hets for both as well.

I recommend you spend the next 6 weeks (while mom AND dad tend to their joeys care) researching about breeding, genetics and the risks you're blindly setting yourself up for.

Glider breeding requires more than just sperm donor dads playing musical cages.
Vicki2015 Posted - Sep 03 2015 : 05:41:33 PM
The father helps the mom so she can have breaks, taking away the father will increase the chance of the joeys being rejected due to the mother being stressed not only from raising them herself but not being able to see her mate as well
astockd1 Posted - Sep 03 2015 : 04:59:14 PM
NO.

Leave the joey with his babies. The mother needs him to properly raise them. Do not remove the dad until the babies are at LEAST two months old, maybe longer. We had to remove the dad in our first litter due to aggression, and one of the babies died. It is not fun.