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RChurch Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 07:50:33 AM
Why can't you ppl commit? It angers me to see the recent failed adoptions, surrendering of so and so, rehoming. It's always about YOU, isn't it? Can't be bothered to make things work. No time? MAKE time. Not enough money? Bull. Go plan ahead and save up. Quit putting yourself first with that video game you "had to have", quit going out to eat so much, having drinks with friends.
But you know what? On the other hand...I'm glad you've decided to give them up. I wouldn't want them with such a selfish S.O.B as you. My only hope is that YOU are treated as "well" as you treated your pets.
I hope someone finds you so expendable. I hope you were at their beck and call and whim--and when they are done with you, you're tossed aside, because they don't "have time for you" or "you're just too expensive and we're going to have to let you go."
Obviously, none of you have ever gone through a rehome. I HAVE. I was orphaned at the age of 12 and gone through 3 different homes after that. Never did find a home except for the one I made. And let me tell you, it sucked. It was traumatic--EVERY STINKING TIME I HAD TO START OVER.
So you take your lame, feeble excuses. I for one, do not care for them. It just shows your lack of love, your lack of planning, your lack of consideration. Go ahead. Go do "your thing." I hope the world eats you alive and spits you out again. Cuz you know what? Karma is going to get you and I am going to clap my hands off when it does. |
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Omis n Kais g-ma Posted - Apr 21 2012 : 01:12:10 PM
Right on Alden!! My little chi costed me thousands in the last few years and I could have rehomed him because it was very financially stressing but! I didn't. I stayed with him until his dying day. Til death do us part should be on pet adoption papers as well.quote:
Originally posted by valkyriemome
I know it is your rant, RChurch, and I'm completely supportive of your right to rant. In fact, I completely agree with you - about 98% of the time. People rehome their pets without a second thought ALL the time! Makes me INSANE with anger.
Oooops! Gotta go to college, parents don't want my pet! Really? You didn't know that when you bought your pet as a senior in High School? Or when your parents gave you the pet for "making good grades" they didn't know then that they'd have to care for the pet when you left?
Ooops! Gonna have a baby! Really? You just couldn't possibly have a baby and a pet at the same time? Really? I did! My cat was my babies' "big sister" and she adored them from day one. My brother had a dog who was devoted to his "little brother" so that when the baby cried at night, the dog would run to the parents' bedroom and pull the covers off of them.
The 2% that I have to say I don't agree, however - finances. I didn't anticipate the economic crash. Maybe I should have? Maybe we all should have! When someone has cut back and cut back and cut back and they are living on a skeleton income, and it finally gets to the point that they can no longer afford vet care or ... even food ... for their pet - then it might be time to consider rehoming the pet, for the animal's best interests. I've watched it happen around me. I've watched friends and neighbors get foreclosed upon, and have to move from the house they thought they were going to live in until they were carried out. Then they are faced with being homeless with all their pets, or go to an apartment and rehome some pets. It is a tough and horrible decision they have to make. It is heartbreaking.
I'm sorry that anyone - especially people who knowingly entered a life-time commitment to their animals - has to face rehoming their family members. It is incredibly tragic.
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valkyriemome Posted - Apr 21 2012 : 10:38:56 AM
I know it is your rant, RChurch, and I'm completely supportive of your right to rant. In fact, I completely agree with you - about 98% of the time. People rehome their pets without a second thought ALL the time! Makes me INSANE with anger.
Oooops! Gotta go to college, parents don't want my pet! Really? You didn't know that when you bought your pet as a senior in High School? Or when your parents gave you the pet for "making good grades" they didn't know then that they'd have to care for the pet when you left?
Ooops! Gonna have a baby! Really? You just couldn't possibly have a baby and a pet at the same time? Really? I did! My cat was my babies' "big sister" and she adored them from day one. My brother had a dog who was devoted to his "little brother" so that when the baby cried at night, the dog would run to the parents' bedroom and pull the covers off of them.
The 2% that I have to say I don't agree, however - finances. I didn't anticipate the economic crash. Maybe I should have? Maybe we all should have! When someone has cut back and cut back and cut back and they are living on a skeleton income, and it finally gets to the point that they can no longer afford vet care or ... even food ... for their pet - then it might be time to consider rehoming the pet, for the animal's best interests. I've watched it happen around me. I've watched friends and neighbors get foreclosed upon, and have to move from the house they thought they were going to live in until they were carried out. Then they are faced with being homeless with all their pets, or go to an apartment and rehome some pets. It is a tough and horrible decision they have to make. It is heartbreaking.
I'm sorry that anyone - especially people who knowingly entered a life-time commitment to their animals - has to face rehoming their family members. It is incredibly tragic. |
josiec Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 08:49:35 PM
Lol I have a cockatoo.. I know he will out live me.. |
Omis n Kais g-ma Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 08:33:09 PM
I really do understand where you are coming from Rebecca. It's too bad there is such an overabundance of cats, dogs and any animal because of breeders greed. Why can't people see that cute little puppy or kitty as a grown cat or dog? When I got my pets, I knew I was in it for the long haul. I got conures and know they can live up to 25 years if cared for correctly. I already appointed who gets them when I pass if I go before them. Life is life. Whether it has two legs or four or none. It deserves respect and love. I view animals as gifts from God on loan to us. I know, its silly but that's how I feel. |
RChurch Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 07:00:26 PM
I understand perfectly well, I just don't feel any differently about it. |
resullivan Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 06:59:06 PM
Reading is fundamental. Your lack of understanding does not make any of my arguments any less valid. |
RChurch Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 06:33:43 PM
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Originally posted by resullivan
I chose to live in the real world where sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the better. I don't love anything unconditionally even my own children.
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I don't love unconditionally in the way you speak of love. To me love is about doing what is best for someone/something even if it means giving them to someone else or kicking them out of your house.
Wow, I like how you insinuate that I live in a fantasy world. See, if this were true, in my fantasy...you'd realize this is a rant. More specifically, MY rant. Did you see the title of the thread? It reads "What the heck is WRONG with you ppl?! (Rant)" Notice how it doesn't say, "Why do people rehome their pets? Help me understand." Do you know WHY it doesn't say that? Because I don't care. I am here to rant about ppl who are selfish, treat their pets as property, as DISPOSABLE property at that.
Tell you what. If you don't like my rant, go start your own. Guess what? I won't be there. Why? Because I'm not interested in a rant titled "ppl who won't understand why I won't take accountability for my actions".
Hard decisions. Wow. How hard is it to not have a pet at all? I think that would be pretty darned easy, don't you? No responsibilities. No vet bill. Neighbors won't complain about the noise, or breed of dog you chose to have. If you live in an apartment complex, there's no pet deposit. But once a person decides to get a pet, there ought to be a follow-through, don't you think?
You know, it's just a matter of time before government officials are going to step in and say, "Whoa, this glider/dog/cat/pet abandonment issue is getting out of hand! From now on, you're going to have to go through a long and drawn out process of applying to be a pet owner. There will be a credit check, a psychological evaluation, a waiting period...and oh yes, a very hefty fee to the government to prove you mean it." And who's to say they wouldn't be right to do so? Maybe that's why gliders are illegal in so many states. They look around at the abandonment rate and say, "Uh uh. This is SO not happening here. We've got enough dogs, cats, ferrets and iguanas that are in shelters; we don't need any more."
Lastly, what you do with your kids are your business. I'm not even sure why that was brought up into this thread, but okay. I understand there are plenty of parents who put their own kids up for adoption to give them a better home just like ppl who put up their pets for adoption. But if it were me, if I suddenly found myself pregnant despite the preventative measures I've taken...I'd make it work. It wouldn't be easy but I fight for that which matters to me. Furry kids, non-furry kids, job, relationships, you name it.
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resullivan Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 05:45:59 PM
I chose to live in the real world where sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the better. I don't love anything unconditionally even my own children.
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I don't love unconditionally in the way you speak of love. To me love is about doing what is best for someone/something even if it means giving them to someone else or kicking them out of your house. |
Omis n Kais g-ma Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 04:32:50 PM
Congrats baby.girl. Some humans have it in them to care for hurt and maimed animals. You are one of those. God Bless you.quote:
Originally posted by baby.girl
i agree with everyone im going to school to be come a vet in a wildlife vet as well cause if we dont protect them then who will is crazy that everytime you turn on the tv you see animals killed or been thrown out my people they trust the most. I took in two dogs cause someone drop them on my door step in one was close to death she was a boxer in the vet only gave two days to live for she turned cold but i layed her nexts to the heater in selpt nexts to her in a month she made a full recoverey she put on weight in she looked so good you would of never guess she was giving only two days but she beat the odd she fight in i didnt give up on her i named her star in then a couple out of site saw her picture i had up in they came in saw her in now she has a home with great people in they have two kids she just loves them in i know she happy with them so it worked for her. theother dog was a mixed breed i he had a few scars on him but he wasnt as bad in he made a few recoverey within three weeks i kepted him cause he was a older dog in he passed away only a year ago his name was buck he was blind in both eyes but he lived his life as being loved in happy never had to worry bout his nexts meal or being toss out.People dont understand the hurt they put there animals through what they feel in knowing that it happen everyday its sicking cause they are our bestfriend the ones that are there to comfort us in they trust so easy so i knew i wanted to help them in when i came up on my male sugar glider i had to save him in now he is doing great no signs of health issues in he passed his vet check up in after he lost his mate before i got to get them both he still was able to trust again in let another female back in his life in yes i waited a year before i found sugar baby but i wouldnt give them up for anything there here to stay in they become like my kids for i cant have kids but i love them with all my heart.in ill always help someone in need cause ime in my man helped a couple that just got there first baby joey the flea martket where they got him from didnt tell them anything so i had a few things extra that i gave them in even this website long with a bonding pouch in a few food in my vets that i use so helping in careing for these little one is worth every dime. In helping other people understand bout them is worth every moment in time.so i just wanna wish the best to everyone for opening your heart in loving these little ones.
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RChurch Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 04:13:21 PM
I think it's sad that ppl do not include pets as a member of their family. I am 38 years old and a State Licensed Massage Therapist. The idea that life can be so casually dismissed angers and saddens me.
I do not like ppl who collect animals just to have them around, like you're collecting g*d**ned stamps or something. If one is getting an animal in order to be loved unconditionally, at least have the common decency to return said unconditional love.
I will happily sacrifice the welfare of my belongings for the happiness and well being of my family. I can replace my "belongings". But, I suppose to some, animals fall into the category of "belongings" and not recognized as something living. Nor do I really "get" the idea of the sanitation issue argument. Clean more often. Or don't get pets. Just stick to having a human family.
Or how about this...Think before you act.
Everyone likes the romance of having a pet and then reality sinks in.
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resullivan Posted - Apr 20 2012 : 12:37:34 PM
I do not know many of your ages or life experiences; however, many of you come off as being very young and not having a family of your own. The wellfare of my children and my belongings come far before any pet. I have had to give up two dogs (one of which was saved from a pound, and the other a full bread dog that we paid $200 for). In both cases the dogs could not control their blatter. Both dogs were given away for free to people we knew. The dog from the pound is around 8 years old and still has this same problem, but lives with my wife's parents whom do not have small children living with them.
We currenlty have a dog, 3 cats, and sugar gliders, so it was not an issue of us not knowing how to train or care for the dogs. Animals can have their own personalities and issues. While it is sad, I will not let these things negatively impact my family. It is my responsiblity that my young children crawling around on the floor can do so in a clean and safe envrironment. |
GliderMommy Posted - Apr 18 2012 : 03:04:15 PM
It's not just ones that 'cannot' take care of them... there are ones that the owner's simply don't 'want' to anymore. Those to me are even worse.
I regularly check on CL in my area to see what is around and available as far as suggies and cages/toys... anything really that I can stock up on at a good price. By searching 'Sugar Glider' in the search bar I also get the occasional pet listing. There is One that has been up there for about a month now that just breaks my heart. This is what it says:
"I have a sugar glider for sale that no one in my family wants anymore. his name is frank. we need $75 for him. YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE CHEAPER ANYWHERE ELSE! I have a cage, food, and a home that he is eating. I dont know what it is but he does like anything in his cage. he chews everything. he loves to be held. very energenic and needs someone to take better care of him."
At least the author is honest about him needing someone to take better care of him. :( |
baby.girl Posted - Apr 12 2012 : 08:05:51 PM
i agree with everyone im going to school to be come a vet in a wildlife vet as well cause if we dont protect them then who will is crazy that everytime you turn on the tv you see animals killed or been thrown out my people they trust the most. I took in two dogs cause someone drop them on my door step in one was close to death she was a boxer in the vet only gave two days to live for she turned cold but i layed her nexts to the heater in selpt nexts to her in a month she made a full recoverey she put on weight in she looked so good you would of never guess she was giving only two days but she beat the odd she fight in i didnt give up on her i named her star in then a couple out of site saw her picture i had up in they came in saw her in now she has a home with great people in they have two kids she just loves them in i know she happy with them so it worked for her. theother dog was a mixed breed i he had a few scars on him but he wasnt as bad in he made a few recoverey within three weeks i kepted him cause he was a older dog in he passed away only a year ago his name was buck he was blind in both eyes but he lived his life as being loved in happy never had to worry bout his nexts meal or being toss out.People dont understand the hurt they put there animals through what they feel in knowing that it happen everyday its sicking cause they are our bestfriend the ones that are there to comfort us in they trust so easy so i knew i wanted to help them in when i came up on my male sugar glider i had to save him in now he is doing great no signs of health issues in he passed his vet check up in after he lost his mate before i got to get them both he still was able to trust again in let another female back in his life in yes i waited a year before i found sugar baby but i wouldnt give them up for anything there here to stay in they become like my kids for i cant have kids but i love them with all my heart.in ill always help someone in need cause ime in my man helped a couple that just got there first baby joey the flea martket where they got him from didnt tell them anything so i had a few things extra that i gave them in even this website long with a bonding pouch in a few food in my vets that i use so helping in careing for these little one is worth every dime. In helping other people understand bout them is worth every moment in time.so i just wanna wish the best to everyone for opening your heart in loving these little ones. |
ToughCheeseSmallPaws Posted - Apr 12 2012 : 07:31:25 PM
We have a problem here where if it enters this house, it never leaves... kind of like the Hotel California, but more fun. Almost dead snake on the porch? Comes into the house to be nursed back to health and is now spoiled rotten. Neighborhood stray cat howls at the door for 5 hours straight? She struts in and makes herself at home- hasn't considered leaving in over 2 years.
One of the things that drives me Batpoop crazy is people who get rid of their pet they've had for 15 years because "they have to move to an apartment that doesn't allow pets"... REALLY!?!?!?!? Funny, being in college, I was able to find apartments out the wazoo that allowed my 2 cats and 1 dog, and some places made exceptions for the rules once they learned about Trinity (Many of the apartment complexes around here allow cats, but only if they are declawed. I cannot get Trinity declawed because she only has 3 legs- so doing so she cannot alleviate pressure on her only front leg and it would literally be torture- once I took her in and explained why I cannot get her declawed and let her love on them some they inevitably were like 
"okay!!!")
If a broke college student can find housing for her and her fur brigade then a family can find a home where they can exist with their one old dog who only has a year left of life. UUUGUGUGHHHHHH!!! It breaks my heart to see older dogs and cats being rehomed for no reason whatsoever. How would they feel if in the last few years of their life they were ditched... oh wait... we do that with retirement homes... so karma?
Splurge buys.... omg that drives me crazy too. It is a animal- not a toy or video game you can toss aside when you get bored. It is a life that depends on you- don't buy something on an impulse then have buyer's remorse later- you research what that animal needs and the local laws/regulations about care/housing/fees/ etc on that critter!
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RChurch Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 07:32:07 PM
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Originally posted by scoutandmiko
Umm Im confused...Lol did I miss something? Who is "you ppl" Not the people on this forum right?
Sorry for being dumb XD
What originally set me off was reading about a family giving up their suggies to LGRS, followed by a failed adoption resulting in the suggies being RETURNED to LGRS. LGRS fully educates you on what to expect when becoming a suggie parent. Idk what is wrong with ppl that they just "give up" on their pet out of boredom.
Well, honestly, I don't understand giving up on a pet at all. As long as I am not homeless, you will have to pry my babies from my cold dead fingers. That would be about the only way they would get rehomed ever again. They are MINE, all MINE and I cannot understand ppl who do not feel the same way. I will do whatever it takes to make them happy. I would rather starve then let them go without food. I'd rather not go to the doctor and wait out a cold but they are seeing their vet on a regular basis.
Some people treat the furry members of their family like it's an old couch or a movie they got bored of watching. It makes me angry. And sick to my stomach.
And I just needed to vent. |
scoutandmiko Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 05:52:33 PM
Umm Im confused...Lol did I miss something? Who is "you ppl" Not the people on this forum right?
Sorry for being dumb XD |
RChurch Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 10:36:13 AM
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Originally posted by Amy1706
I do know of a few very few situations where the owner has become ill or has lost a parent and just could not give their babies the attention they deserve and rehomed them to good/great experenced owners.I know I have 12 babies right now and all but 2 were given to me because of either an unforseen change in their life and finances or health and now I have the most loving 12 gliders in the world I adore all of them. they are my world. I'd never give them up for love or money my babies are not disposable.
My Hubby's friend goes through animals like dogs like most people go through underware and it is now to the point where no one tells me when the get another one because I usually say "So how long are you keeping this one?" and I lecture them about the situation and the damage they are causing to the animals they get only to give up in a few months.
They make me sick I have 3 dogs as well 2 with health problems (expensive ones.) So I went and got care credit in the event I could not afford their medical bills.
I have stopped taking in gliders so I can give the 12 I have the attention if I had more I fear I would not be able to do that. I too prefer being around animals to humans I think the native Americans had the right idea about nature and only killing for food and using all of the animals as not to waste anything. I really do agree with everything you all said.
I had a room mate like that. She only wanted kittens or puppies. When they got too old, she'd find them a new home. I wanted to murder her. And she was never home. Guess who took care of her pets?
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Amy1706 Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 10:17:00 AM
I do know of a few very few situations where the owner has become ill or has lost a parent and just could not give their babies the attention they deserve and rehomed them to good/great experenced owners.I know I have 12 babies right now and all but 2 were given to me because of either an unforseen change in their life and finances or health and now I have the most loving 12 gliders in the world I adore all of them. they are my world. I'd never give them up for love or money my babies are not disposable.
My Hubby's friend goes through animals like dogs like most people go through underware and it is now to the point where no one tells me when the get another one because I usually say "So how long are you keeping this one?" and I lecture them about the situation and the damage they are causing to the animals they get only to give up in a few months.
They make me sick I have 3 dogs as well 2 with health problems (expensive ones.) So I went and got care credit in the event I could not afford their medical bills.
I have stopped taking in gliders so I can give the 12 I have the attention if I had more I fear I would not be able to do that. I too prefer being around animals to humans I think the native Americans had the right idea about nature and only killing for food and using all of the animals as not to waste anything. I really do agree with everything you all said.
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sjones5254 Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 08:21:14 AM
I agree in that fact that life is what you make it. It can either be in self-pitty(poor me) or you can take bad things that happen and turn them into something good and productive in life. And way to many people would rather take the poor me way out. Life is way to short to be miserable. And alot of people get animals to make them feel better cause they are cute as babies. Well when they get to be too much trouble the rescues and pounds fill up. |
RChurch Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 08:09:31 AM
Book, I believe there is a balance in all things. There needs to be ppl like you to do the coddling when coddling is necessary. BUT (and here I go sharing WAY too much information again) I was one of those ppl who needed something called tough love.
In my early 20's I was dating an alcoholic. Not just your average joe who's accessively fond of drink--but someone with violent tendancies. And I became addicted to my problem. That is to say, I loved having the drama so much, I couldn't, WOULDN'T, part with it. Until the day a true friend pretty much told me to "poop or get off the toilet." Or, if you prefer, Aldous Huxley wrote, "Rolling around in the muck is not the best way to get clean."
OK, so you have issues. Now what are you going to do about it?
I happen to have a friend who, right now as we speak, refuses to leave her drug abusing, verbally abusive (no idea about whether or not he's physically abusive) husband of 11 years. She has 2 kids with her in this particular hell. And all she wants to do is post about it on Facebook. I love her and all, but as a friend, it KILLS ME that she won't leave. WANTS to leave, but WON'T leave. There's always some excuse. Until she's ready to leave, she won't.
Why am I being so harsh? Because I'VE BEEN THERE. With the alcoholic. Back when I was 20. Remember, my parents orphaned me when I was 12. I literally had NO ONE. Yet, how the heck did I do it? You just do.
I think for some, coddling is more dangerous than the brutal truth. The "I'm sorry, honeys" didn't help me. Reminding me that power lay within ME, not the environment in which I lived, not in other ppl, BUT ME...THAT helped.
If you go around waiting for someone to save you, you're going to be always waiting for someone to save you. Sometimes, the princess has to slay her own dragon and get herself out of the tower. Then she can marry whoever the heck she wants.
And why am I bringing up a fairy tale reference, you might ask? Because my argument is that we all grew up on stories that taught morality in one fashion or another. Whether it's Cinderella's "work hard and you will meet your happily ever after" or it's from cartoons like G.I. Joe, there are stories that teach you right from wrong. It goes back, waaaay back in time. Greatest shock of my growing up was realizing that few ppl believed in doing what was right. They were more interested in finding out what they can get away with and just appearing to be right. More Machiavelli and less Jesus Christ or Buddha...(insert your moral representative here).
But, back to our topic of lousy humans, people who have no respect for their animals. I will feel compassion for these people when animals start having people for pets. And we get sold at flea markets. By mill breeders. Until then, I can't really say that humans are animals, too. We possess a lot of animalistic qualities, sure, I'll grant you that. But if I were an animal, I'd be insulted at the comparison.
And I truly hope you don't feel attacked because I am just disagreeing with you. I think you're a lovely person and if there were more people like you, I daresay I'd have less reason to complain. You don't strike me as an inconsiderate person at all.
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dpatters28 Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 07:11:42 AM
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Originally posted by BookGoddes
We had some very helpful members here get to the breaking point when dealing with such people your ranting about. They dealt with it negatively and stopped trying to baby said people. It went badly for them.
We are reminded that if we are not kindly helping people than we will not be able to help their gliders. I get it. I also though get the aggravation if helping and being ignored and lied to and time wasted.
I think there are times to vent.
I look at my gliders though, wild little things that are not sweet, that might never be. I have given some years of patience so far and I will keep doing so. Do other human beings not deserve the same kindness and care as my gliders? After all people are animals too and they can be just as broken and lost and in need of help to be shown the right way and forgiven for the wrong they do. Shouldn't I have patience with their wildness too?
We all love gliders but sometimes I think we forget that people are deserving of dignity and patience too. If we do not have that patience at the time we should step back. If we get upset with them, we too should be forgiven our short comings and supported for being the beings that we are.
The world would be a better place if more people treated other human beings like they do their beloved pets. The world would be better if people treated pets as they do those humans they love.
With FEW exceptions, I don't have a lot of compassion for people. MOST people (adults, anyway) CAN get out of their bad scenarios. Got an abusive boss/spouse/significant other? GET THE HECK OUT. There is no one "caging" you up (we hope) and keeping you there. If you are "caged up", it's in your head: SO LEAVE.
But these pets don't have that option, do they? Well, admittedly, some do and some do indeed run away. And it doesn't end there for them. Some get hit by a car, or taken by predators. It's sad.
I will feel badly for people who honestly don't know any better. People make mistakes. You can fix mistakes. But you know what you cannot fix? Apathy, plain and simple apathy. You cannot make someone care if they do not.
In my opinion, no. (Some) people do NOT deserve the same kindness and care as animals. The behavior of animals make sense to me. (Some) humans seem dissatisfied at ruining their own lives; they want to ruin each others' as well. When they are a destructive force like that, I have no compassion for them. I have learned that for these types of "people", it doesn't matter if you show them kindness or curses, they will not change. They are going to do what they are going to do and that's it. If they want kindness and care, they should earn it by being kind and caring. I am all out of freebies.
Just know that I am not talking about the people who DO care about their pets and made honest to gosh mistakes. I am talking about the selfish, narcissistic sociopath whose only concern is pleasing themselves, and not at all about giving back to those who depend upon them. I am talking about the soul-sucking vampires of the world whose only interest is their own interest. The ones who think, "I know! I'll get a pet so someone will love me unconditionally." They don't think about reciprocation. Those are the ones that have my fury.
Beautifully written, Rebecca!! Just change (some) to (98%) and you're right on. Sorry, but I have always preferred animals to humans. At least if an animal is cruel, vindictive or destructive they come by it naturally. Humans know better. |
karensink Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 03:19:15 AM
i have just entered the suggie world in the past year and become completely immersed in it. i don't think they need me near as much as i found i needed them. i can't imagine giving them up because i don't have enough time. my concern is that they might outlive me, lol!! |
BookGoddes Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 02:56:55 AM
I can not argue, human beings do horrible things. They are however Animals and like animals their actions are for a reason, to meet needs. Our needs though while not any different than thousands of years ago are more complicated in that there are so many choices and so much social programming. We are raised in a society that put humans above other animals, that encourages independence early and freedom from the family and home life and community life. We grow up in schools away from life, behind walls being told what to think, when to pee, and told we can do anything and everything we want if only we do x, y, z. Then real life hits and x, y, z, do not work people are often left lost. Our society does not support the healthy seeking of meeting needs, we are programmed to be good little consumers and there can no be a consumer society with happy people, we are constantly being told we are missing this new thing, or that new thing, or this thing we loved is no longer good enough and so on. We are distracted from meeting our over all needs by trying to meet the need for security and is taken from us my commercialism.
People are the sum of their experiences and while we want to talk about personal choices and free will, the fact is that people can't do better than they know how to do. There has to be an example, an experience. A women being beaten is in a mental cage just as strong as that of a gliders, it is one of fear and anyone who would judge her needs to look at their own apathy issues honestly. We need to not become those we vent about. We need to have sympathy and we need to not make blanket statements that could harm others. I would be very hurt if I was an abused wife.
We need perspective and we should not judge so harshly until we walk in others shoes. No matter how hard our own paths might be, we can't know the path someone else is walking the way they do and the judgement don't help anyone anyway. I say this as a reminder to my own self as well. I get harsh at times and it is not helpful. I really really dislike people who lie and I tend to be unkind to them once they do so. I need more patience or at least not add more negativity to a person so clearly broken.
I honestly rather know someone who can say honestly they got a pet to be loved than someone who says to be so selfless that they do everything for others because that is not biologically logical. We do things to meet our needs and some times we need to feel secure so we want to feel needed. Sometimes we want to feel secure so we make sure we are the ones giving care to others. See what I am saying. The needs are the same but the ways to meet them are vast and often confusing. I really like though when people are at least honest about it because once we are honest we can take the next steps.
Is the snake evil to the mouse? The snake is just meeting a need, though it does not work out for the mouse. The broken human has a need to be loved, doesn't work out for the pet. Still a need, just not a wise way to go about it and negativity will not help those people see there are other ways to meet the need than putting a pet into a bad situation.
All the best,
The all together too sleepy Book.
Who could also be wrong, about anything, about everything. I have a need to be heard and to understand people because I think if I can understand them I might feel more safe in society because like most everyone else, I am broken and because of my past I do not feel safe in public, I am always looking behind me thinking I will be attacked again, always trying to figure out what I can do to not be that girl ever again. Sorry about all the rambling. |
GumdropTree Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 06:29:10 PM
Very well said Bookgoddess. Patience is indeed something I myself struggle with. Oddly, I find I have much more patience for my pets than I do other humans. I guess because I feel peoples actions are sometimes intentionally careless and cruel. I like to believe that,"we do what we know, and when we know better, we do better", but that always doesn't seem to be the case. Perhaps though, just maybe, the people we are frustrated with for not taking are advice (which they asked for) are in-between the stages of knowing and doing. Perhaps they dismiss our words today but reflect on them later. I am hopeful this is the case. I did not change my suggies cage, diet, wheel and general care the first day after coming here. But after receiving the same helpful and kind advice I realized that, " I can mix up that diet in the blender" and " that's a good deal, I can afford that cage" or "I should make and have an E-collar on hand just in case". I hope all of you will continue to share your suggie wisdom even when you think nobody's listening, they are......I was |
RChurch Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 06:14:56 PM
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Originally posted by BookGoddes
We had some very helpful members here get to the breaking point when dealing with such people your ranting about. They dealt with it negatively and stopped trying to baby said people. It went badly for them.
We are reminded that if we are not kindly helping people than we will not be able to help their gliders. I get it. I also though get the aggravation if helping and being ignored and lied to and time wasted.
I think there are times to vent.
I look at my gliders though, wild little things that are not sweet, that might never be. I have given some years of patience so far and I will keep doing so. Do other human beings not deserve the same kindness and care as my gliders? After all people are animals too and they can be just as broken and lost and in need of help to be shown the right way and forgiven for the wrong they do. Shouldn't I have patience with their wildness too?
We all love gliders but sometimes I think we forget that people are deserving of dignity and patience too. If we do not have that patience at the time we should step back. If we get upset with them, we too should be forgiven our short comings and supported for being the beings that we are.
The world would be a better place if more people treated other human beings like they do their beloved pets. The world would be better if people treated pets as they do those humans they love.
With FEW exceptions, I don't have a lot of compassion for people. MOST people (adults, anyway) CAN get out of their bad scenarios. Got an abusive boss/spouse/significant other? GET THE HECK OUT. There is no one "caging" you up (we hope) and keeping you there. If you are "caged up", it's in your head: SO LEAVE.
But these pets don't have that option, do they? Well, admittedly, some do and some do indeed run away. And it doesn't end there for them. Some get hit by a car, or taken by predators. It's sad.
I will feel badly for people who honestly don't know any better. People make mistakes. You can fix mistakes. But you know what you cannot fix? Apathy, plain and simple apathy. You cannot make someone care if they do not.
In my opinion, no. (Some) people do NOT deserve the same kindness and care as animals. The behavior of animals make sense to me. (Some) humans seem dissatisfied at ruining their own lives; they want to ruin each others' as well. When they are a destructive force like that, I have no compassion for them. I have learned that for these types of "people", it doesn't matter if you show them kindness or curses, they will not change. They are going to do what they are going to do and that's it. If they want kindness and care, they should earn it by being kind and caring. I am all out of freebies.
Just know that I am not talking about the people who DO care about their pets and made honest to gosh mistakes. I am talking about the selfish, narcissistic sociopath whose only concern is pleasing themselves, and not at all about giving back to those who depend upon them. I am talking about the soul-sucking vampires of the world whose only interest is their own interest. The ones who think, "I know! I'll get a pet so someone will love me unconditionally." They don't think about reciprocation. Those are the ones that have my fury.
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chewysmom Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 05:59:23 PM
Ahhhh- and there is my laugh for the day- your sister has very interesting vocabulary! :-) |
dancingbeyor Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 05:47:48 PM
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Originally posted by chewysmom
I get upset with our society when I drive past a field that is being plowed down just to erect another mcdonalds for peoples convenience. Who cares about all the animals that died in the process because we really need a fast food restaurant on every corner. we have forgotten what life is, people are dissconnected, unhappy, and lost.
Everything living is subjected to humanities cruelity. One day it will all be better- we'll be dead:-)
I agree completely and wholey. I simply can't stand it. I honestly think it would be so much better if we never existed. And because of this my older sister called me a dirt whorshipping tree hugger. Fine. Then I'm a dirt whorshipping tree hugger.  |
RChurch Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 05:42:29 PM
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Originally posted by LHill
Wish I could give you a hug,sorry you had to go through that growing up. I'm glad you were able to make a home for yourself and have such good values! I agree with you completely
Thank you! You're a sweetie. But I honestly wouldn't change a thing. It has made me who I am: stronger.
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chewysmom Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 05:17:41 PM
I get upset with our society when I drive past a field that is being plowed down just to erect another mcdonalds for peoples convenience. Who cares about all the animals that died in the process because we really need a fast food restaurant on every corner. we have forgotten what life is, people are dissconnected, unhappy, and lost.
Everything living is subjected to humanities cruelity. One day it will all be better- we'll be dead:-) |
jakeelwood Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 05:15:24 PM
Agreed with everything above. |
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