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DragonSlave Posted - Mar 21 2014 : 07:23:33 PM
www.gliderstork.com
Has anyone seen this? I can’t possibly be the first to find it. But I searched GG and found nothing.
Anyway, it’s got Perfect Pocket Pets written all over it. Just read their FAQ. same ol’ PPP/ASGV bologna regurgitated all over again. 
This time, they take the form of a breeder that ships via plane. Hey, wasn’t that one of their warnings? To always meet the breeder face to face and never have your gliders shipped by plane? Silly Virgil, why are your motives so transparent?
I find the joey page amusing. Each one has an oop date, a name, parents, some are even "reserved". Then you notice that the pictures are all of the same joey (or two). If his intent is to make people believe their actually picking out their own joey, at least get pictures of different ones! Why go through all this work to fabricate such an illusion if you’re not going to cover your own tracks?
Also note at the top of the page where it says they will only be reserved for 20 mins. Just enough time for you to complete your check out! Still some impulse motives involved, I see.
Well, at least they ship them in pairs.
I’m interested in hearing what everyone here thinks about all this.
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gr8rcfan Posted - Jul 16 2016 : 09:37:23 AM
My feelings about PP are mixed, but the bad outweighs the good. We were lucky to get a wonderful, sweet girl from them. The food is a good diet, but my gliders will no longer eat it. Their 30-day, daily email on glider care was very helpful. However, when I asked where my baby came from, their double-talk ultimately meant they had no idea. My beautiful girl was lucky to get us as her slaves. It makes me cry to think of others who shelled out the bucks and found themselves over their heads. Those who successfully re-home through craigs list are lucky. As for the less fortunate gliders.........
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BYK_Chainsaw Posted - Jul 16 2016 : 12:31:17 AM
My problem with PP was with the lies and false information.
overall the diet they suggest is not all that bad, glider gravy and the pellets are healthy.
But other information was a lie, and after questioning the salesman he even admitted he lied. They want the sale(profit) more then they care about the glider.
So overall I'd rather see someone go to a breeder, most of which want the glider to a family that will properly care for the animal and KNOW UP FRONT what is expected of the new family.
So the poor little glider doesnt end up on criagslist in 1 year, when the owner figures out these animal are different then what PP teaches. |
TJones09 Posted - Jul 15 2016 : 05:55:25 AM
I have had no personal experience with either company as to purchasing sugar gliders. I do not care for the most part the PP process of obtaining and selling of these wonderful creatures, nor their suggestions for care. However, I have heard of some good experiences from some of their customers. I know one of their customers personally that has a high opinion of them, I'm not getting into the details of that right now. What I'm thinking is that some customers get lucky and probably many more do not. The thing is they're brokers, so some breeders that they get gliders from may be much better than others. The same may go with some other aspects of the company as well. This could explain why they're people out there that have had good experiences and have had healthy, happy gliders. Sadly, this is not the case for many of them. |
Andelana Posted - Jul 15 2016 : 04:34:15 AM
All I can say is sounds like someone drank the kool-aid |
Faelith Posted - Jul 14 2016 : 10:44:20 AM
Wow. A lot being said about Glider Stork. But nobody seems to have any experience with them.
I have purchased from Glider Stork. The gal, Claire, is wonderful. She is out of Atlanta Georgia, and her breeders are local to her. She takes personal care of each client/buyer. The first time I purchased from GS, Claire called and wanted to know 1) did I have experience with Gliders, what kind of habitat I had, other animals in the house, etc.
She didn't want the gliders to be stressed by a six hour drive from the (nearest) major airport after their flight, so she arranged (with the airline she works with,) for them to take a different route which would fly them into a local regional airport nearer me. Everything is arranged and coordinated, so as to provide the least stressful experience for the Sugies. Yes, she does work with Pocket Pets. I've worked with pocket pets too. The amount of support, instruction and guidance provided by PP, is great. IF YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. I had never had gliders before I bought my first pair from Pocket Pets. I received daily emails and videos, which guided me through the intense experience of bonding and raising Leroy and Ittybutt. They are sweet, loving, gentle and friendly. Solidly bonded to me. Over the years I have needed to contact Pocket Pets, with questions or concerns. I have always received a response by email or a personal phone call within 30 minutes. I just got two more Joeys, from Claire at Glider Stork, In December 2015. Kugel and Latke are being raised the same way, and these babies are also firmly bonded and friendly, loving and gentle.
If folks don't educate themselves, and take advantage of the support system provided, free, it is not the fault of the breeder. After the initial 31 days of daily helping emails and videos, I continue to receive newsletters on a monthly basis, and continue to receive prompt personal attention whenever I contact them.
My colony of gliders and I have nothing but positive things to report about Glider Stork and Pocket Pets. Happy to answer any questions about my experiences with these companies. Zoe |
amanda514 Posted - Mar 19 2016 : 07:24:13 AM
They're on the wombaroo diet (what my vet recommended since she also said she hates pocket pets)
Glider Stork always sends their males neutered which befuddles me on my they would send me two males since they are very clearly aware of which sugar gliders are males and females. In fact when I emailed them about it they simply responded two days later with "anything is possible" -_- |
kiwi3435 Posted - Mar 18 2016 : 06:22:29 PM
what diet did you switch them too?
if they have been seen by a vet then you don't need to worry about anything unless you see them acting strange.
are they neutered? If not, then this will MAJORLY reduce their smell to almost nothing |
amanda514 Posted - Mar 18 2016 : 05:40:08 PM
Still hate that I used this website to buy my babies. They also gave me wrong genders after I ordered a male and a female and received two males. I love them anyways but are there any health things I should look out for for them? I've had them for about 3 months and I have switched them to a better diet and they have both seen a vet and everything seems to be well. But is there anything specific I should keep an eye out for? |
BYK_Chainsaw Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 10:39:47 PM
i'll just answer that last question.
Our sophie loves to food steal, but if its a treat I'm usually right there with another treat so everyone gets some.
We bought super mealworms, after the first one sophie doesn't seem to want to kill it (regular mealworms no problem), but these big ones are to much for her, she is 71 grams, so she waits for one of the other gliders to kill the superworm and goes for the steal. Sometimes the other gliders get a little upset with a tssk for her, but there is no fighting.
Our girls have a noticeable pouch in the center belly, the boys do not have it. |
Sugarbaby720 Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 02:02:08 PM
I bought a baby from them to give my first baby a cage mate. I bought my first glider from Pocket Pets at a fair and was told that she would be ok alone. I decided that I did not want to chance it and a couple weeks later I looked into buying another. Pocket Pets directed me to Gliderstork.com. I sent them an email because I already had the starter kit. The entire transaction was a DISASTER! It took over a week to order and pay for my baby. Second, each part of the transaction is done by a different person, so figuring out who to talk to was impossible. The original invoice sent to me was wrong. I wanted a baby girl. I had picked one named Flax (which btw is still listed on their website as available even though I have already gotten my glider). The invoice said BABY MALE and included all of the starter kit supplies. It took several days to get this fixed. I emailed customer service and was very clear that I wanted a female. My first one is a female and I wanted them both to be the same so that there was less chance of aggression. I also personally did not want to deal with scent glands, neutering, etc. Well, when the time finally came that I did pay for my glider and they called to schedule the flight the process had already taken over a week. I told them what airport worked best for me and they said ok no problem, and that they would get back to me when they scheduled the flight. The gave me the flight information but no information on how to pick her up except to be on time at the airport. I emailed them asking details about what to do and the response was "call the airline and ask them". I showed up to the airport I told them and quickly realized that the airline did not fly there and that they scheduled the flight to another airport 40 minutes away. Now we were late, did not know where on earth to go. I got dropped off at the terminal where they said it would land at and was told that I had to go off site to the cargo area. By the time I finally got there I had just had it. The plane originated in Atlanta. My baby was healthy, but incredibly scared. They included a pouch thankfully, so I cut the zip ties off the travel cage (was a rectangular cage made of the same material pocket pets cage is made of. She was inside the pouch with 3 or four large apple halves in the cage. I have now had my glider for 3 weeks. I took a closer look at "her" today now that she is more friendly and I can hold her. I could be wrong, but I am almost certain I was sent a neutered male. My glider has what looks like a cut tuft of hair a little bit above the cloaca. My other glider has a definite pouch when I look. I am so angry at this company. Don't get me wrong, I love both of my babies just the same but it bothers me that I spent so much money (cost me 299$ for the baby and 200$ to ship) not to get what I clearly asked for. Im not sure whether to just leave it be or send them an angry email. Its not like I would ever get rid of my baby because hes not a she but it is the principle of the thing.
Can anyone give input on what a neutered male looks like and tell me if that sounds like a correct assumption? And also, can anyone tell me what signs of aggression to look for? I introduced them in neutral territory, and they have never outright fought. I havent found any cuts or wounds on either one of them. My original glider Trixie does seem more subdued now that I have Pepper. Is that normal? Also, I noticed that if I hand one of them a piece of food, the other steals it out of their hands. Is that ok behavior or should I worry that they are too competitive / aggressive? Im still very new to this. |
JenGads Posted - Nov 25 2014 : 03:12:44 PM
If you actually follow through to the checkout process, there's a little memo from Virgil thanking you for joining the Pocket Pets family. And it popped up a little message about other people making adoptions while I was, and it had the EXACT same picture of one of the babies I chose. They aren't even trying. |
LooneyTuni Posted - Nov 22 2014 : 04:38:54 PM
Ah, okay. I'm in Kentucky, and I was embarrassed to think he's so close to me. |
Candy Posted - Nov 22 2014 : 10:35:03 AM
I was mistaken - he moved from Florida to Tennessee.
His mailing address in 2013 was in Joelton, Tennessee. |
LooneyTuni Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 11:54:33 PM
Candy- where in kentucky did this guy move to? |
sammy94 Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 09:07:27 PM
Otterun I just read that FAQ on their website and laughed  I can't believe this website. I really hope no one buys into them. Also if anyone got down to the "diet" part of the FAQs its a hoot. REALLY PELLETS AND A APPLE SLICE A DAY?!
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Candy Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 05:55:08 PM
The photos you see on this web site are all STOCK PHOTOS many of them are different shots of the same joeys - and they are reused for different named joeys at different times on the site.
Their marketing is a total fraud. The joey you "reserve" is NOT the specific one you have seen in the photo.
How many ways can you spell SCAM? This web site a total SCAM. |
vsJewel Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 05:14:58 PM
So I went on Glider Stork using my computer and reserved Tara a girl 46grams. Then used my ipad to go to Glider Stork with over 12 min left of my 20 min reservation and guess what? She is not even reserved. More evidence that "Tara" is made up. |
Otterun Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 03:29:48 PM
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What colors do they come in?
All the animals we adopt out are gray or sometimes brownish.
We do not deal with all the different colors because they are more likely to have health problems down the line since they are bred for recessive traits. The animals health is our first priority.
Seriously? They won't deal with rare colors because they believe they're more prone to health problems, but they think having classic gray gliders turning brown is normal? That's showing health is the first priority?
I need to step away from this site. It's making me mad.
Omg, and their response to "message board controversy" about heat rocks and diet? "We're not sure, it's probably just crazy people with internet access." Keep it classy, PocketPets. |
mrshaworth Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 02:58:15 PM
Has anyone actually used them? I just bought two joeys from them and they have the worst customer service. I'm about to call my credit card company and demand they investigate them for fraudulent practices because I STILL haven't received my promised "48 hour" phone call. I bought them Saturday, so they're way beyond the allotted time. I'm starting to get a little pissed about it, if you couldn't tell! |
mrshaworth Posted - Nov 21 2014 : 02:44:09 PM
Ok now I'm really starting to freak out. I ordered my SGs from Glider Stork over the weekend. I guess I didn't really think about there even being mills/brokers for SGs. I feel duped and horrified that I fed into the mill production of animals. I'm seriously starting to think about cancelling my order and only keeping the cage, as well as reporting them to the BBB and any other agency I can think of for their misleading procedures.
I'm scared my SGs won't be healthy when they arrive and that I'll be heartbroken if they get sick and die.
I'm about 30 levels more pissed off than I was 10 minutes ago. |
MamaBird Posted - Sep 02 2014 : 09:07:34 PM
Wow. This is horrible.
A new way to dupe people and the animals are the ones that end up suffering.
It makes me sad. |
Kuzco2014 Posted - Sep 01 2014 : 09:01:23 AM
When I contacted Pocket Pets I know, I know they're bad!! But when I contacted them just to check it out they referred me to the Glider Stork so that would lead me to think they are either working together or just the same thing. |
Candy Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 08:18:22 PM
Oh, you folks only have HALF of the story.
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I was rather confused because Pocket Pet made it a point to tell me they NEVER will ship THEIR gliders! This, of course, is part of their misleading sales pitch. Now why would Pocket Pet be so adamant about how horrible it is to ship these guys, then direct me to a company (Glider Stork) that will ONLY ship. There is a disclosure on their site stating they will NOT allow any pickups for some ridiculous reasons. There is no other way to get your glider. I found out they're in FL but oddly there are NO address' on any sites for them.
First BIG lie - ALL of Pocket Pets Joeys are SHIPPED to the Pocket Pets sales representatives from various mill breeders.
Pocket Pets is USDA licensed as a BROKER - the buy gliders from breeders then re sell them. They are still headquartered in FLORIDA but the location where the USDA Inspections are done is in a WAREHOUSE AREA and there are never any USDA violations because they do not have ANY Gliders in that location. Virgil Klunder no longer lives in Florida - he moved to Kentucky a couple years ago.
Virgil Klunder is a genius at MARKETING and sales. His specialty is drawing in customers who will make an impulse purchase. He sells MANY products not just gliders.
The salesmen at malls and other venues are operating off a memorized script.
Now the Vet - Dr Brunst that does the ASGV videos is actually a Veterinarian - but he is probably making additional money promoting and reinforcing all of the pocket pet sales pitches.
The Association of Sugar Glider Vets originated as a FICTITIOUS NAME registered in the state of Florida - by Virgil Klunder's wife Kathy Klunder. You can look up the many corporations these folks are involved with in Florida at Sunbiz.org.
The Glider Stork web page is just another variation of the Pocket Pets sales method.
They make the visitor to their site THINK they are choosing a specific glider - but if you look closely many of the photos are of the same glider. These stock photos reappear frequently with a different joey name. The Phone number on the web page is an OREGON area code. I would love to hear from someone who has purchased from them to find out where their glider was shipped from.
They claim their gliders are being transported in the passenger cabin - NONE of the US Airlines currently allow Gliders in the cabin of the plane even in the possession of their owner. Sugar Gliders are transported in a climate controlled cargo area and not all flights are equipped to transport pets.
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sunglider Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 06:26:10 PM
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Pocket Pet that they just recently began "working with Glider Stork". What's the deal with this Virgil guy? If the ASGV vet is a phony, or is misleading people on behalf of Pocket Pets for kickbacks, then I'm going to come unglued. False advertising and misleading customers is against the law. quote:
Wow that is even more disturbing. |
GR8KARINA Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 05:38:44 PM
I purchased my baby in Feb at the FL state fair from Pocket Pets. Their sales presentations are extremely misleading. I reassured myself about this company based on the link they provided for the ASGV vet. I did find it odd that the vet used many of the EXACT phrases as Pocket Pet.
Today I emailed Pocket Pet to ask for advice about getting a cage mate. Rosie emailed me and directed me to Pocket Pet website for info. There is a link on that site that directs you to Glider Stork.com where you can purchase a glider. I was rather confused because Pocket Pet made it a point to tell me they NEVER will ship THEIR gliders! This, of course, is part of their misleading sales pitch. Now why would Pocket Pet be so adamant about how horrible it is to ship these guys, then direct me to a company (Glider Stork) that will ONLY ship. There is a disclosure on their site stating they will NOT allow any pickups for some ridiculous reasons. There is no other way to get your glider. I found out they're in FL but oddly there are NO address' on any sites for them.
I also noticed their "supplies" are the EXACT same products I received from Pocket Pet. I received another email from Pocket Pet stating that the director was going to get back to me about when they'd be in my area next. So Pocket Pet wants me to pick up a new baby somewhere sometime in the future, and Glider Stork wants to fly one first class to an airport near me. And I had only asked for advice about cage mate compatability! I did get verification from Pocket Pet that they just recently began "working with Glider Stork". What's the deal with this Virgil guy? If the ASGV vet is a phony, or is misleading people on behalf of Pocket Pets for kickbacks, then I'm going to come unglued. False advertising and misleading customers is against the law. |
Candy Posted - Mar 23 2014 : 07:42:26 PM
Yeah - 26 likes and only 2 individuals participating in their discussion - looks like they do not have a lot of 'followers'. Thank - goodness for that. |
DragonSlave Posted - Mar 23 2014 : 12:47:47 PM
I'm thinking about the plane ticket cost. I don't know what the average is, but that is nearly double what I payed. What else does that price cover? Maybe the gliders are being shipped by plane first to one location, then out to the buyer. Maybe it covers gas to drive them to a distant airport. Of course, it could also be just to help pad their pockets. Makes me wonder.
Just did a google search to see what I could find elsewhere on the net. Got their Facebook page. been around since Feb and 26 likes.
www.facebook.com/GliderStork
Says their the "#1 direct deliver of sugar gliders..." #1 according to who? Did they just decide that they were #1?
A recent post says "our friends over at pocket pets"
Affiliates or one in the same. No doubt about it. Not hardcore proof, but all signs point in that direction.
And then, they liked their own post. That’s sad, really…
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Candy Posted - Mar 22 2014 : 10:52:57 PM
I would be curious if any one that has actually purchased gliders from this web page could tell us the ORIGIN of the flight bringing their joeys to them. They would need to know where the flight was coming from in order to check to make sure it was on time etc.
They might also be able to tell us where the cage and supplies are shipped from.
The phone numbers on the web page are a Portland Oregon area code.
According to "Whois" the Gliderstork.com domain was created: 2011-10-06. It is registered through a proxy service so the owner's name is hidden - just as the Pocket Pets web sites are set up.
I bet that the joeys are shipped from multiple locations - depending on where the actual breeder is located.
The other possibility is that they are all shipped to their new owners from either South Florida (where Pocket Pets has its USDA Broker's License and where they maintain a warehouse location where their inspections are done - They are always in compliance but do not have any gliders there according to the inspection reports) or from Tennessee where the Klunders now live. That would definitely define the web page's connection.
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DragonSlave Posted - Mar 22 2014 : 06:45:58 PM
I believe it's more than a company like Pocket Pets, I believe it IS pocket Pets. At least in the sense that they're all run by the same person or persons. If it isn't Virgil Klunder, it's someone operating through him.
The most obvious clue is the starter package that you get with your joeys. To see what I'm talking about, select two joeys and initiate the order process. You'll see what all comes with them on the next page.
Included in this kit are the tell-tale pocket pet trademark foods: glider chow, glider gravy, and glidamins. I believe that if this company had nothing to do with PP, they wouldn't carry their brands.
The cost of it all is $698 - IIRC, This is what PP charges?
What's with this $235 flight transportation by the way? It cost me $150 to fly my two to me, and that included the price of the carrier and the pouch.
Other clues are the constant reference to Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians, which as we all know, is a bogus organization created to help fortify pocket pet's lies.
The faq page pretty much regurgitates the same information given on ASGV as well. I wouldn't call most of what they're saying outright lies, but they downplay the truth by far.
Yeah Candy, I agree with you. I don't think the parents names mean anything. I'm guessing that whole page is randomly generated from a database of names and pictures, and that it refreshes every so often, creating new joeys when needed. Probably the only purpose the page has, other than fooling people, is to give them a choice of male or female.
I think it's interesting that they say they don't sell colored gliders because they're likely to have health problems due to being bred from recessive traits.
Even though it's true that the colored ones often come from inbred lines, that doesn't mean that the greys are free of that predicament. If you don't track their lineage, and just breed them to whoever, they're likely to have the same issues.
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Candy Posted - Mar 22 2014 : 09:16:07 AM
The Glider Stork makes it appear easy to "reserve" your joeys - Once you reserve the joeys at the price posted for them - THEN you get to the information that gives you the cost of the REQUIRED cage and glider supplies and shipping costs.
Chances are the joeys are not even in the possession of the person(s) running the web site - it is probably part of a network of mill breeders that just pick two standard grey joeys to ship to the person thinking they have chosen a specific joey from the web site.
Just because you are given the joey's 'parent's names' does not mean the actual parents are a specific pair of gliders. The real harm will come with these joeys are then used for breeding using the assumption that they are unrelated just because their 'parents' names are given.
It is all a carefully crafted scam to make buyers think they are buying joeys from an individual breeder rather than a network of mill breeders that have created another way to market their joeys in addition to Pocket Pets and other similar mill brokers.
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