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Food agh

Aug 6, 2015

 Food agh

I've decided this journal is probably a more productive way to vent my flailing (but ultimately probably NBD) concerns, rather than constantly posting on my first thread.

Food is proving so difficult for so many reasons. I still have an ant problem (although I am moving soon, so hopefully they won't follow me) which means any food not sealed up attracts them, so any supper or anything for Ginny can't be left alone for 5 minutes or the ants will make it their supper. :/

Ginny is also either a picky eater, or I'm terrible at food for her, or something.

Veggies we have tried so far: (Frozen) carrots, peas, green beans, and corn, (fresh) celery, cucumber, sugar snap peas, avocado. Trying fresh broccoli tonight, and after that I'm going to retry the frozen mixed veggies. Maybe if I steam them first?
Fruits we have tried so far: (fresh) apples, mangoes, strawberries, red and green grapes.
Treats we have tried so far: peach yogurt, Happyyogi strawberry yogurt treats, Kaytee mixed berry yogurt chips, medium mealworms, apple juice.

Of those, she eats sugar snap peas, and at least nibbles on cucumber and avocado, but won't touch the rest of the veggies. She likes apples, mangoes, and grapes (green more than red, which is interesting), but not strawberries. And she will halfheartedly lick at the Happyyogi and the Kaytee yogurt chips and the mealworms if they're right in front of her nose, but for the most part she is totally uninterested in them. She LOVES peach yogurt (unless it's in frozen form, which I tried for homemade yoggies), and she adores apple sauce so much she will spend more time trying to get the last little bit of juice out of a juicebox than she does playing with all of the rest of her toys during tent time, if I let her.

It worries me that she doesn't like mealies or yoggies, since those seem to be every other suggie's favorite thing. And it is very inconvenient for multiple reasons that the treats she does like aren't solid. Maybe I could try dried fruit, but some people say dried fruit is bad because it is so low in moisture which is the opposite of what a sap sucker needs in food.

And what about foraging? That's kind of a behavior/food thing, but I see people talking about the time their suggies spend foraging and I don't know how to give her that stimulation. She has a hanging basket lined with fleece and full of fleece strips in her cage, as well as a basket resting on the cage floor that's full of pompoms and a few other balls, and I put little dinosaurs and puzzles and other small toys in there, changing it up every few days. I also sometimes put her fruit from her dinner (if it's reasonably solid) in one or the other, and also sometimes I'll put a treat in (usually a little yogurt in a plastic cup, since she doesn't like any more solid toys). I also move her food dish around, but she usually sees where I put it, since I give her supper after tent time, so I don't think that really does much good. I usually give her 3-4 pellets during the day in case she wakes up and wants a snack, and sometimes I'll put them inside two plastic shot glasses, so she has to take one out of the other to get to them. But is this what foraging is? Should I be doing something else?

I try to give her a new food consistently for 3-4 days when I first introduce it, but some foods (for example, avocado) seem like they can't possibly stay fresh that long. My sliced avocado was brown and unpleasant looking withing a few hours--which might be why she didn't finish it, if the green pieces in her bowl had gone brown and gross by the middle of the night. A ziplock of sliced mango turns into a questionable mush within 2-3 days, which is not great for if I want to give her mango one night and then other things for at least a few days to keep her from getting bored. Other fruits and veggies aren't quite as bad, but they still turn way too quickly. I try to buy things I like, too, so that I can eat the rest of it before it goes bad, but if I stuck to just things I like she wouldn't get enough variety.

(plus, the more things she tries and dislikes, the fewer fruits and veggies that overlap between the "things I like" and "things sugar gliders can safely eat and Ginny won't refuse to eat" lists)

(And then there are the foods that I don't know if they're safe or not. Apparently grapes are bad? But it's the skins, and she doesn't eat the skins, and she LOVES grapes. And Highland Sugar Gliders says dark greens like kale and spinach are bad, but other lists say they're fine?)

I think I'll try putting her on one of the salad mixes from the Critterlove page (probably the second one, it looks simplest) to try to solve the "food going bad too fast" problem, but even if/when I can get amounts measured in tablespoons/cups/etc I worry. What if she won't eat it? Some of the ingredients I've already tried and she doesn't like them.

I also can't tell if she's the right weight or not. I need to get a scale, but there don't seem to be any guides on what she should look/feel like in terms of weight, which is weird because from what I've read, ideal weight varies depending on the glider's overall size. She doesn't look skinny (I think?) and her patagium isn't thickened at all. When I hold her, I can easily feel the bones of her ribcage, shoulder blades, hipbones, etc, but her tummy also seems nicely full. I think she's ok? But with how she doesn't eat her supper, I worry she might be too thin.

At least she loves her critterlove complete. She's more excited about drinking it than about eating her fruit!

Of course now I'm also worried that that could be a sign something is wrong with her...

 Comments

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Oct 08 2015 : 07:12:55 AM
melsgliders
A glider rescue friend suggested covering new food with honey for a few days. They'll then eat it without the honey.

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Sep 02 2015 : 12:29:35 PM
krossia
I notice with my gliders that if its not bought fresh, they don't care for it. I bought asparagus in a freezer pack and all they did with it was use it for dodgeball, but when I bought a couple of stalks fresh, they actually really enjoyed it. I would try to see if its the fresh vs frozen/packaged thing to see if that may be it. Also, I had the same problem with keeping fruits and veggies for longer than a couple of days in order to reuse. So I started freezing my own. I would buy it for that night, dice up the rest, and freeze it. I looked up the best ways to freeze things in order to keep its nutritional value and did that. While its still not there favorite, they will eat it (store bought frozen things they won't touch, which makes me question whats up with that...). Its ok for you to be able to feel her bones, so I wouldn't be too worried about that. I would try different types of worms as well. Hornworms, superworms, etc. The thing with the dark, leafy green type of stuff is that they have a high amount of oxalates, which can prohibit the intake of calcium (very ironic, since they have so much calcium to offer). It makes it difficult to tell how much calcium they get because of that, and as you know they need the 2:1 ratio, so many get nervous about it and just say no to it in general. You can feed them every once in a while, but still keep it a rare thing to feed them. Grapes are controversial because they have proven with many other animals to cause kidney failure (which is still being researched with dogs, since some get spontaneous kidney failure and others aren't affected at all), and since there is so little truly known or researched about gliders in terms of food health, its just much easier to say no. She may just not like the treats, or may not have developed the taste for it yet. How do you serve the worms? My male glider will eat them no matter how they are (frozen, cut, wriggling, whatever), but my female only eats them alive and moving. For foraging, I use plastic eggs that you can crack open and hide those everywhere with the treats inside. Make it interesting, change it up every once in a while. Its used as an enrichment exercise, so make it a little challenging or mind puzzling to get to or open. Make them use their brains to get to the treat.

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Aug 14 2015 : 06:02:55 AM
melsgliders
They're definitely picky eaters! Mine love watermelon, green beans, corn in small doses, hard boiled eggs, low fat ground turkey and I've added freeze dried crickets. If she's a solo glider, she could be depressed? I keep picking up lunch size fruits and veggies at my local wawa, they stay fresh a few days, but I do grab the latest expiration dates.good luck with your baby!

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Aug 10 2015 : 10:40:23 PM
Bossihamham
That's a lot of questions,when it comes to the food gliders can be like little kids. They like something one day and hate it the next. Keep trying new things but also don't give up on some of the other veggies. She may start eating them. I think kale and spinach should be fine, but I have heard a lot of controversy over grapes so it shouldn't be an everyday fruit. Have you tried papaya or cantaloupe those are both really good fruits to try. You can try putting the fruits and veggies in the freezer to keep them from spoiling. That thing you do with the shot glasses is foraging. You can buy foraging toys or you can hide treats in plastic eggs and they will have fun oppening it. For the ants have you tried a glider kitchen? The food will stay in the container instead of the bottom of the cage. That may help. If you are feeding her the critter love diet then you should use the recommended fruits and veggies. I don't know how to lessen the amounts you will have to get in contact with Peggy for that. For her weight try posting a pic on the website and hopefully that will help everyone see her and decide if she's a healthy weight. If she does' test mealworms have you tried crickets? You can put the crickets and your glider in the tent and watch her hunt them. Maybe she'll like that. Keep us updated on how she's doing

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