My male, Peter, is a beautiful dusted mosaic. When we got him, we paid the price of just a mosaic. However, as he got older, he began to show two dark spots on his back (one more noticeable than the other). I was jumping up and down with glee as this means he is a piebald. BTW, I am declaring this only because of a female sugar glider named Inara on TPG who has identical markings to him and she is pronounced as a piebald. He also has spotted ears, which I've never seen on any other glider except for his twin sister. His father had one completely black ear and one completely white ear. Does the spotted ears alone mean piebald, or could it be just a cool coloration?

Most mosaics have spotted ears.

Really? I've never seen one.... I guess I've just been missing out lol what do you think about the spot on his back????

It COULD be a pied marker, but honestly we still know very little about piebald mosaics, so far their inheritance hasn't been very predictable.

Ummm, sorry to interrupt, but what is "pied marker?" By the way, your Glider is gorgeous! I love that color variation SO much <3

Close up of one of my joeys with spotted ears.


Piebald mosaic is a very rare variation of mosaic that we've just started to see recently. It's characterized by patches of color surrounded completely by white. There are really only a handful of true piebalds out there and they are very striking. When we say "piebald marker," we're talking about a glider that is not -really- a true piebald, but is showing some unique marking patterns that may be indicative of the trait.

http://www.thepetglider.com/piebald/view-all-products.html
Here's a hyperlink to TPG's piebald section. If you have the time, look at Inara and her markings. This is why I said piebald. Her's are faint, but still considered to be piebald.
MoMo, the definition of what makes a piebald is also on that page of the hyperlink. They can be REALLY gorgeous. I am lucky with Peter, he is striking :) This is why I only breed mosaics. They can be so unpredictable in color. He is going to be paired with a ringtail mosaic, who is sort of heavy on color but seems to be dusting out pretty well. He can throw any form of mosaic, but I'm hoping they will be a lot like him!

Love the color, very beautiful

Awh he's so pretty! GOSH, I cannot wait to have joeys! I've decided to downsize and keep just three since I'm moving to an apartment soon. I have my mosaic male, a platinum female, and a ringtail mosaic female.
I've been breeding for a few years now, but these three seem to be the ones that I've decided to keep. And since he's not old enough to breed, I will be sooooo excited when their first joeys come IP and even more so when they come OOP!

That baby has already powdered out quite a bit and it's only been about a week since that picture was taken. I kept her full sister who is about a year now and almost a white mosaic now. She has a few white spots on her back and all that's left of her dorsal stripe is a black dot between her shoulder blades. It's very interesting to see how they change like that. I have her paired with a triple het, so if they both prove out, I have the possibility of TPMs with cremeino het.

Wow, those could be gorgeous! I've been doing lineage research as well (yes, I LOVE research) on how the first true platinum mosaics, the first platinums, and the first cremeinos came about. This is why I have my little guy (50% leu het) with a platinum (100% leu het). I'm hoping for a true platinum mosaic or something of the sort. The first platinum (Haley lines) came from a standard 100% leu het and a white face. I know it takes pairing a glider with some sort of platinum het to a platinum to make plat joeys, and I know I won't get a platinum, but MAYBE pairing her with a dusted mosaic will do something awesome in the mosaic lines for me :) I need to do more research on the first true platinum mosaic and how they came about.

Okay so from finding a true platinum sugar glider- Elena from Sunset Sugar Gliders- I found that the first true platinum mosaic of that line came from a white mosaic 100% leu het and a platinum 100% leu het.

If your male proves out, you can get platinum from that pairing. The platinum and leu genes can work together to produce platinum. IF your males proves out and is carrying the leu gene, the possibilities of offspring would be platinum, TPM, leucistic, standard 66% leu het/50% platinum het, or mosaic 66% leu het/50% platinum het.

To get platinum, you do not have to have one parent that shows the color, it can be produced by two hets, same as with any recessive color.

Wouldn't they be 100% platinum het too, not just 50%?

That is very interesting though. So in Elena's case, she is just a platinum, not a true platinum mosaic? I guess they figured since the mosaic 100% leu het had no platinum in her paired with a platinum 100% leu het and getting a platinum they figured it had to be a mosaic that looked like a platinum. Interesting. So the leucistic gene can work with the platinum to make a plat even if the leu had no hets for the plat gene?
Sounds confusing, I know.....

Oh yeah, you're right. For some reason I was thinking your female was platinum het. And I can't tell you if your girl is mosaic or not without seeing a picture. It should be pretty easy to tell though.

But yes, if you have platinum on one side and leu on the other, you can get platinum. To get leu you do need to have it on both sides.

That is very interesting... hmm I hope he does prove out! Those could be pretty joeys! Elena is not mine, she's just a glider I found and look at the lineage from Hoobly. She's from Sunset Sugar Gliders. They said she is a Platinum (possible TPM) but the mother or father is listed as a TPM on TPG's lineage database. The mother or father of Elena is the one I've been talking about. You can see pictures of her on their website, if you would like to tell me if she is a mosaic or platinum.
When, if already paired with a mature female, do males usually breed for the first time? From a personal perspective. When's the earliest you've seen it happen? I read somewhere that the earliest one seen was 3.5 months which I know is ridiculously early! I do believe that it's the same person who has had two instances where there have been 4 joeys IP and a few triplets. So maybe they have something going on with their food or water LOL. However, I've never had a male as a joey to breed besides him. I've always got my males already mature.

It totally depends on the individual, some of them are more mature around 4 months, and some of them still act like they are joeys. If the female comes into heat sooner, that will usually have some influence, but it's not unheard of for them to breed as early as 3 and 4 months. I'd say most of the time, 6-8 is more typical though.

My girly has spotty ears, she's a Mosaic 100% plat het, she's gone so much lighter since this pic was taken.

your gliders are beautiful! may I ask what you feed them and how you maintain such a healthy coat on them?

She is beautiful! Like I said, I have my little guy paired with a platinum so hopefully they will be as pretty as yours!
Amanda, I feed my gliders bml with fruits and veggies daily. I add in some extras every now and then. The other day I gave them some cooked chicken. They loved it!

I'm so jealous. This little lady flew all the way from the US to the UK with her sister, she's one of only two Mosaics in the UK, very special! I've had to pair her with a grey male as colours are very hard to get here, only 1 lady has colour morphs for sale at the moment. Hoping for a Leu to pair with future joeys of this one tho, need to make some use of that plat het, even if it is justto encourage leu joeys!

I'm so jealous. This little lady flew all the way from the US to the UK with her sister, she's one of only two Mosaics in the UK, very special! I've had to pair her with a grey male as colours are very hard to get here, only 1 lady has colour morphs for sale at the moment. Hoping for a Leu to pair with future joeys of this one tho, need to make some use of that plat het, even if it is justto encourage leu joeys!

I feed my boys hpw their coats don't look nearly as good as yours!

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Originally posted by amanda8111993

I feed my boys hpw their coats don't look nearly as good as yours!

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Housing and husbandry can also have an effect on their coats. How often do you change their sleeping pouches and what kind of wheel do you have? Dirty pouches (or even cleaning too frequently) and a wheel with a closed track are two of the biggest culprits in less than perfect coat condition.