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Apr 04 2009
03:13:35 PM
So, lots of you know my husband fired his entire staff so I've been in there working with him and training someone new. Long story short, I'm re-doing all the policies/procedures manuals and ran across these Homeowner's insurance rules:

Domestic pets ARE covered under your personal property...exotic pets are NOT.

You may want to double-check your policy or call your company to find out. (if interested)
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Apr 04 2009
08:24:45 PM
snusie Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit snusie's Photo Album snusie's Journal USA 2962 Posts
Wow, Kyro, I would never have thought that any pets were covered! Would that be loss in the event of fire or other catastrophe? I'm sure vet bills aren't included, in the event of an associated injury. It's an interesting point though! I don't know how you would put a value on say Domino, domestic shorthair neutered male feline; or Mike, mixed breed (shepherd) neutered male canine; I consider them above value, the insurance company would not agree.
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Apr 04 2009
08:41:15 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
They'd have to be added as an additional endorsement to your homeowners policy. It's usually under "Scheduled Personal Property" or "SPP". I know with jewelry and other "goods", we require people to provide an appraisal and there's an actual monetary value attached. They also have the choice of choosing either a percentage for replacement or "ACV" (actual covered value). I think I might have to do some more digging and find out what exactly is covered...

OK, this is what it says:

"The following information is essential for all SPP written:
1. Description of item
2. Cost of each item insured
3. Date purchased
4. Current value including an appraisal for items over $5,000. The appraisal should be no more than 3 years old.
5. Amount of insurance. All items must be insured to 100% their value.

The maximum limits of liability for which you are authorized to bind coverage are limited to $25,000 per item with a $100,000 maximum limit for entire schedule."


This additional coverage is for claiming a loss on the home policy and applies to cameras, fine art, furs, sporting equipment, guns, jewelry, musical instruments (non-professional), silverware, stamp and coin collections, tools, collectibles and pets. It's just weird because how to you come up with a monetary value to insure? I think I'm going to call an underwriter Monday and ask.
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Apr 04 2009
08:45:19 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
FYI...they have iguanas, ferrets and lizards listed as "exotics".
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Apr 05 2009
12:58:38 PM
lovely1inred Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit lovely1inred's Photo Album 1144 Posts
WOW I would never have thought you could insure pets...bet my mom has never read her homeowner's insurance that closely! We always have issues when she makes a claim (like hail damage to the roof, or our heater that's from the 70s being broken) and it's like it never really gets resolved, but here she is paying for the insurance every month with the mortgage, has something to do with the contract.
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Apr 05 2009
10:17:05 PM
cb38506 Glider Visit cb38506's Photo Album TX, USA 177 Posts
Ouch sounds like a lot of work kyro.

I have renters insurance personally that i have that covers all my items, etc. And the house im renting if i do something stupid and burn it down.

It also covers all my pets, I added an extra to it to cover my other pets because it only wanted to cover my cats and dogs but it does cover the bunnies and gliders now.

It covers all their items, if soething happens like a storm or fire and they survive but need medical attention, etc. Also it covers if one of my dogs loses their mind and bites someone.

I agree if you have any pet make sure you check your insuance policy.

Another thing to check is your car insuance policy. Mine covers my pets if they are injured but I usually have atleast 1 dog with me most of the time. So that is something to look at as well just to have that protection.
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Apr 05 2009
11:17:15 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
So did you have to add it as an additional endorsement and did they make you put a number in as far as monetary value?
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Apr 05 2009
11:51:34 PM
cb38506 Glider Visit cb38506's Photo Album TX, USA 177 Posts
Yes we did it as an addition. And they didnt make us put down the actual price for the gliders and bunnies, we just had to add their supplies espically like the cages in with the total value of the items in the house.

Only the breeds of my animals were put down. I would hate to see my insuance prices if they knew what i paid for some of my animals and what their value is financially. lol
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Apr 05 2009
11:55:43 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
That's what I'm wondering...if they'll cover what they consider to be supplies but not the actual pet? I'll be curious to see what they say.
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Apr 06 2009
12:05:39 AM
cb38506 Glider Visit cb38506's Photo Album TX, USA 177 Posts
Mine covers all the pets because of the added part to it, i asked them atleast 5 times lol. Supplies should already be considered on a policy because those are items inside the home. Like my lamp its not a vital part of the house but it is inside the house.

But then say you have a business in your home you have to add that to your policy because its not normal things.

I pay almost twice on my insurance then what it would be without my pets but that covers my pets injury or death, as well as if any of my pets rather it be my dogs, cats, gliders, or even my fish cause injury to someone it will cover that. I made sure to check it over and over because I dont want some idiot coming into my house doing something to my animals that causes them to bite and then trying to sue me and me not have any resources.
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Apr 06 2009
12:13:04 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I have a whole separate policy for my business. I asked my husband about it and he said he didn't even know they offered pets under that additional endorsement because no one has ever asked. This has been his career for 15 years too! Glad I'm re-doing these procedural manuals! I've learned some interesting things. I'm still really curious to see what the underwriter has to say. Do you mind if I ask what company you're insured with? This is good info for people to know, if their company offers it...
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Apr 06 2009
12:25:13 AM
cb38506 Glider Visit cb38506's Photo Album TX, USA 177 Posts
I am with USAA the military insurance--I dug out my insurance book thing agian and double checked i never had to tell them a value on any of the animals themselves.

I am glad your re-doing the manuals too, always good to get things updated and fresh. Its always changing out there!
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Apr 06 2009
12:28:29 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
USAA is huge here (with the Air Force Academy, Peterson AFB, Shriever AFB, NORAD and Ft. Carson all here) That's good to know...
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Apr 06 2009
12:44:35 AM
cb38506 Glider Visit cb38506's Photo Album TX, USA 177 Posts
Just make sure you talk to a human dont try going through the computer system if you want an individualized policy then make sure you go through someone so you make sure your getting the right thing. I didnt een try going online so i dont know how detailed you can be. Nothing is worse then paying a crap load and learning it was for nothing

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Apr 06 2009
08:32:53 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Oh I'm not going through them. LOL I'd have some explaining to do to my husband....
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Apr 13 2009
08:13:36 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
OK, so I emailed our underwriter:

In the Home Policy underwriting guidelines, pets are listed under SPP that can be added as an endorsement. It does say that domestic pets are covered and exotic pets are not. A few questions:

1. How would we add pets to SPP? Normally, we get appraisals and place a monetary value on an item being scheduled.

2. Also, in the event a claim was filed for someone's personal property, would this endorsement cover the pet's supplies, the pet itself...? It is really vague in the guidelines.

3. How do we know if a pet not listed is "domestic" or "exotic".


Here was the response:

Hi Kylah

1. You would add the pet as a scheduled personal property item, with a value. That value would be determined by one of several things: sale papers, ads for dogs of the same breed, a valuation by a vet or any valid valuation the insured has. There isn't an exact procedure so I'm being broad.

2. I'm not sure about the claims implications of this. The pet would be covered of course, but I think the supplies, etc..would be covered under the insured's unscheduled personal property, not as part of the scheduled pet.

3. If a pet is not listed one way or the other, you would need to get a hold of us and describe what you have. Considering the recent monkey attacks that have been in the news, we will probably consider them exotic, and this ineligible for coverage. Other animals, like a horse, possibly domestic-we'd have to discuss.

Remember, that in scheduling a pet, you are ONLY scheduling for the perils insured against in the policy; i.e. fire, lightning, wind, etc...It's not an animal mortality coverage. You'll need to make that clear to insureds. Some think they can schedule an animal, then when it dies of natural causes, they think they can collect under the policy-or they let it run loose, then when it gets hit on the highway, they want to collect. That's not a covered peril under their policy.

In short, be careful when scheduling pets.


I then asked him about Sugar Gliders and explained why I was asking. He was nice enough to do a little research for me and let me know that they would be considered "domestic" for these purposes and would be allowed to be scheduled.
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Apr 14 2009
08:15:19 AM
Gizmo-n-Roos Mommy Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit Gizmo-n-Roos Mommy's Photo Album OH, USA 1624 Posts
Kylah -- I am curious about what additional amount is paid to add this endorsement?

The reason I ask is that after a certain period of time, haven't you already paid as much or more than you would pay to actually replace your animals, especially if their supplies are covered under your other insurance?

To me, their value is in my love for them which no insurance or another animal can replace. It just seems like an unecessary expense.
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Apr 14 2009
10:12:00 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I recently added $28,000 worth of jewelry for a client that added about $200 to their policy and another client added around $4,000 worth and it added $27. It calculates depending on what each scheduled item is worth and whether or not you want it replaced for actual value or a percentage. I agree, I personally would not add them on. I'm not really sure why they would even have pets listed.
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Jun 24 2009
09:05:46 PM
Belinda Face Hugger GliderMap Visit Belinda's Photo Album FL, USA 944 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by kyro298

I recently added $28,000 worth of jewelry for a client that added about $200 to their policy and another client added around $4,000 worth and it added $27. It calculates depending on what each scheduled item is worth and whether or not you want it replaced for actual value or a percentage. I agree, I personally would not add them on. I'm not really sure why they would even have pets listed.



I think I have the answer to that. More Money.
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Jun 25 2009
09:48:05 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
True. True.
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