Members of the Round Table have created a Community Buyer Beware (CBB) website. http://www.sugarglidercbb.com This site is listed apart from any of the forums (server and hosting on PowWeb). You now have the ability to view the listings even if you are not a member of any forum.

This will not necessarily replace each forum’s buyer beware section; but issues that take place on the forums can be brought to the CBB for review and potential listing. Our hope is to have a main location for these listings. Please keep in mind that the CBB is not, and will not act as a collection agency. Anyone that is listed on the CBB that satisfactorily resolves an issue will be noted on the website, very similar to the Better Business Bureau®.

The CBB listing will be used to list vendors, breeders, and/or customers associated with the on-line Sugar Glider Community. This is to notify the public to use EXTREME CAUTION when dealing with anyone placed on the list. The individuals/businesses on this list are those who no longer have permission to post ads anywhere on GliderCENTRAL, Sugar Glider Neighborhood, and Laurie’s Glider Gazette, including their signature, profile and private messages.

A name may be placed on the CBB by having a documented complaint submitted to CBB Complaint Committee at which time we will review such proof. A basic mediation will take place between the parties involved to try to come to a resolution. The CBB Complaint Committee reserves the right to place a name on the list after seeing and investigating activity that we feel could be injurious to the online memberships.
Individuals/businesses may be placed on this list after reasonable efforts have been made to remedy the complaint. Types of complaints include, but are not limited to:

• Non-payment of a Sugar Glider.
• Non-payment of an order.
• Failure to ship an order after receiving money.
• Non-payment of cancelled agreements.
• Shipping faulty/dangerous products.
• Selling sick joeys (including sick, underweight, underage, or parasitic).
• Misrepresentation/False advertising (ex: using stolen photos).
• Making erroneous complaints.
• Selling rescues for profit.
• Purposefully breeding rescues and selling the joeys for profit.
FAQ:
How do I file a complaint?

• Click on the “Complaint Form” link and complete the complaint form. You must include any documentation you have to back up your claim within 72 hours of filing. If documentation is not received within 72 hours, the claim will be canceled.

I received an e-mail that a complaint was filed against me, what do I need to do?
• Respond to the e-mail within 72 hours and include all documentation you have regarding the complaint. Not responding to the e-mail may cause an automatic listing on the CBB.

Who is on the CBB Complaint Committee?
• At least one owner/administrator of the sponsoring online forums and organizations.

How long does it take to resolve the complaint?
• Resolution times may vary and depends on the complexity of the complaint, the documentation provided, and the willingness of the parties involved working together. Typically, we hope to have a resolution within a month.

Can you guarantee that I will get my money, product, sugar glider?
• The CBB is NOT a collection agency. We can only try to assist in resolving the problem and cannot guarantee a satisfactory resolution.

What if you can’t resolve the complaint?
• If the problem cannot be resolved, the responsible party may be placed on the Buyer Beware list.

What if the CBB Complaint Committee does not agree with the complaint filed?
• If there is not sufficient documentation regarding a complaint, the Committee will notify the individual that filed that the claim could not be processed. In this situation, no one will be added to the Buyer Beware list.

The CBB is being brought to you by the following Round Table representatives:
All4Gliders, GliderCENTRAL, Laurie’s Glider Gazette, Sugar Glider Neighborhood, S.P.I.N., The Mill Breeder Project, USGN

Will it list breeders that breed without a proper license?

No, it only deals with sales transactions that have issues. That would be difficult to do as licenses expire and quantity of gliders can change at any given moment.

Is this forum part of the CBB? What if we don't want to be a part of vending on the forums anymore? I have request numerous times to have my link removed from the sugar glider help site because my website is closed I have removed myself from some of the boards my ad's have been removed on GC and I am trying to get them removed from . I would like you to remove me from your site also. If I do advertise this will be the only site I will be doing it on otherwise I will just keep it to craislist and such. I personally don't want to be a part of any of it anymore I think I have had my fill of drama it will last me a lifetime.

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"The CBB is being brought to you by the following Round Table representatives:
All4Gliders, GliderCENTRAL, Laurie’s Glider Gazette, Sugar Glider Neighborhood, S.P.I.N., The Mill Breeder Project, USGN"

There are several significant glider boards (Glider Gossip included) that are NOT sponsoring the CBB and its secret representatives.

Then start your own rt and exclude the persons or boards you don't trust.
Art

This web-site is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

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what a joke!

Sounds like a witch hunt to me JMHO!

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Originally posted by glidernursery

No, it only deals with sales transactions that have issues.

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Breeding without a license isn't an issue? Violating a Federal Law isn't an issue?

No, this website is not involved

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Originally posted by kyro298

No, this website is not involved

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I didn't mean Glider Gossip,I meant the CBB web-site.

I think that perhaps Kylah was responding to Tootles comment, asking if this forum was involved.

Glider Gossip was invited to join and be represented in the Glider Round Table, and declined the invitation.

The Round Table's idea was to unite the community and reduce or eliminate all the different factions so the entire community could work together to help gliders. The idea was a Round Table - where no one would have more authority than anyone else. It wasn't a secret. It was an open dialog between all the different forums.

I thought sites like this one were made to unite the community?? I'm sorry but i don't need a group of strangers to tell me "buyer beware" and "these" people are bad, put out the info and I will decide I'm an adult. Each website already has a place to report illegal/shady activity and it works, why make more? This site gives everyone the opportunity to report anything and gives everyone the same power......Ahhhh its about the power, I see.

Sorry but if you guys are serious about being the glider "police" start at the top and list the vendors working without a business license and the breeders breeding without a USDA license. That would probably eliminate most of the scams out there.To make it easier just list the licensed people.

Doing crap like this only gives people like the ASGV and Dr.Brust more ammo IMO!

I'm not a member of the Round Table, and I'm not one of "you guys". I was just clarifying why GG wasn't represented.

Sites like this one do not "unite the community." Neither does Glider Central. They are basically extremes of one another - and that is not uniting.

You seriously think everyone here has the same power? That is ... an interesting opinion.

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Originally posted by valkyriemome

I'm not a member of the Round Table, and I'm not one of "you guys". I was just clarifying why GG wasn't represented.

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No one said you were and most of "us" didn't need clarification. It was already stated that GG wasn't involved and most here know why.

Will all the people banned from all the other sites automatically be put on the CBB list?

No.

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Originally posted by valkyriemome

No.

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The Community Buyer Beware (CBB) listing will be used to list vendors, breeders, and/or customers associated with the on-line Sugar Glider Community. This is to notify the public to use EXTREME CAUTION when dealing with anyone placed on the list. The individuals/businesses on this list are those who no longer have permission to post ads anywhere on GliderCENTRAL, Sugar Glider Neighborhood, and Laurie’s Glider Gazette, including their signature, profile and private messages

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Really?

And thats just the first paragraph on the main page.

Alden, since you are one one or more of the banned lists, you are automatically on the CBB's list.

You think that is fair? Or legit?

I might not agree with some of your opinions and i apologize if it is a different valkyriemome(valkyriemome aka joeroy) that was banned, but i don't see you as someone that would screw someone over or rip them off, yet you will be put in a group of people who have.

Did you scam someone?

I'm not on any Buyer Beware list, Catman. At least not as far as I'm aware! I don't sell anything - so I don't know why anyone would add me. Especially add me and not tell me!

And, if you read the thread on GC, you know that I was the single most vocal opponent of the CBB.

As I said, I'm not part of any committee forming this Round Table, or the CBB. I can only tell you what has been explained on other forums. They said that No, it wasn't automatic.

As of now, the whole idea of the CBB has been shelved, so it is currently moot.

I was banned from , yes. That's not the same thing as being on a Buyer Beware list.

Why was I banned from ? That's a long story, and has nothing to do with me buying or selling anything, or even with Sugar Gliders. I certainly didn't scam anyone! It has to do with a personality conflict. It was a lot of painful drama that I prefer not to stir up - but I can give you my side of the story if you insist.

By the way - amusingly, JoeRoy is my son. He attempted to sign up to without my knowledge, and I was accused of trying to create another account. So - go figure. When those accusations were made I had no idea what they were talking about, since I didn't know he'd tried to start an account. In fact, I found out months later! Black water under a rickety bridge.

Well according to the first paragraph of the first page, YOU will be on that list,PERIOD!

I'm just going by what is made public.

I thought you were a breeder?

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Originally posted by Catman
No one said you were and most of "us" didn't need clarification. It was already stated that GG wasn't involved and most here know why.

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I'm not on a Buyer Beware list, am I?

Being banned from a forum is not the same thing as Buyer Beware.

I'm not sure why you are gunning for me here. I stopped in to answer some questions. I have nothing at stake, I just was trying to be helpful. I'm sorry if it offended you. I am very aware that I am not "one of you." I've repeatedly come to this site to try to offer help, and have rarely been met with anything except hostility and/or contempt.

And yet, because I love gliders, I still come. Still try to help where I am able.

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Originally posted by valkyriemome

I'm not a member of the Round Table, and I'm not one of "you guys". I was just clarifying why GG wasn't represented.

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You said it not me.

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Originally posted by Catman

Sorry but if you guys are serious

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I was responding to you calling me one of "you guys".

WOW I'm sorta defending you. Its a witch hunt, anyone " who no longer have permission to post ads anywhere on GliderCENTRAL, Sugar Glider Neighborhood, and Laurie’s Glider Gazette, including their signature, profile and private messages" is on the list!!!! I can read!! It can easily become personal and have nothing to do with sugar gliders as you know.


Geeez

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Originally posted by valkyriemome

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Originally posted by Catman

Sorry but if you guys are serious

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I was responding to you calling me one of "you guys".

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So you are part of the "round table" or CBB?

She is stating simply that she doesn't fit here, more or less (if I read right). She is not a member of the CBB or Round Table.

It doesn't even matter, Catman. I've said repeatedly that I'm not. It is so convoluted at this point!

You referred to "you guys" (I took that to mean the Round Table and CBB) when you were replying to a post I made. I merely stated that I am NOT one of "you guys" (meaning the Round Table and CBB), so I wasn't speaking for them - I was just answering questions. As clearly as I understood the answers, that is. Based on the fact that there were more detailed conversations on the subject at other forums.

You then took that opportunity to remind me that I'm not a part of this forum. Which makes me wonder why you honestly see no need to "unite the community"? The various factions and cliques work for you?

As previously stated - I was the most out-spoken opponent of the CBB on an alternate forum.

And, THEN, separately I observed that no matter what I say here, I seem to be met with hostility.

I hope this is made somewhat more clear?

The Community Buyer Beware project has been put on temporary hold. Temporary - meaning it will be re-thought before being put out there again. It appears they will be asking for the "communities" opinions instead of just "telling" us what they decided behind closed doors.

There has been much objection to the CBB and rightfully so. Some think it wouldnt matter to them if they are not a breeder or a vendor. But most of us are "BUYERS" and as buyers, we would also be affected.

Thank you to those who have decided to rethink this project - and to ask the community what they would like to see happen.

I agree, Rita. I was so glad to see it was put on hold as well. There were too many questions and inconsistencies. I know they meant well, but it seems too many details weren't resolved.