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Apr 14 2016
08:32:18 PM
So I'm having a lot of trouble with my sugar gliders. I have 3 of them (1 male 1 female and then their baby also a female) I bought them from a lady who told me the male was pretty crazy and sometimes aggressive but I didn't think he would be as mean as he is. The other female was pretty calm and sweet when we first got her but then got aggressive and in the habit of biting. So when they had a baby I thought I could grow a really strong bond with her but after a couple months she became just like her parents. I bring them in bonding pouches everywhere, I've put them in a room to get used to me and nothing's working. It's getting to the point where I can't take them out of their cage because they jump on me and bite me, whether it's my hands or neck or hair. My parents can't stand the smell of them and are ready to get rid of them but I don't want to give up on them. Any help on how to bond with them would be very helpful I don't know what to do anymore.
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Apr 14 2016
08:33:43 PM
adelynamaris Joey 28 Posts
Forgot to add that the male is neutered.
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Apr 14 2016
09:38:34 PM
jdching Face Hugger 807 Posts
Maybe they smell something on your skin that they think might be tasty? Are they crabbing or just biting?
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Apr 14 2016
10:16:24 PM
kiwi3435 Face Hugger Visit kiwi3435's Photo Album kiwi3435's Journal FL, USA 687 Posts
For the smell, wipe down their cage nightly with a mixture of vinegar and water it should help. Also, wheels retain smell depending on the type you have. Wide down their wheel really good each night as well. Another contributor to smell is diet. Gliders that are on a poor diet usually have a stronger odor than ones eating a balanced and nutritious diet.

Bonding is such a huge topic and I feel like there has been a post about extremely aggressive gliders somewhere in the early past topics on here. Try searching on the search bar in the glidergossip section and see what you can find. If not, I have some tips. Take it slow. You need to just start all over. Talk quietly to them while they are sleeping in their pouch. Drop a piece of fruit in also for them to share. Sleep with some pieces of fleece and tuck them into their sleeping pouch. At night while they are awake, go up to their cage and offer them licks of honey off your fingers through the bars. Call them by their names and give them treats. Once you can comfortably put your finger up to the cage without being attacked, take another step. While they are sleeping, un hang their pouch from their cage and stick your hand in. Rub them and speak softly. Once you can stick your hand in their pouch safely without them freaking out, start doing short increments of time of them sleeping in the bonding pouch during the day. Do this for a few months then try another bathroom bonding.

Don't give up yet! They will come around

Edited by - kiwi3435 on Apr 14 2016 10:17:12 PM
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Apr 14 2016
10:24:37 PM
BYK_Chainsaw Fuzzy Wuzzy Visit BYK_Chainsaw's Photo Album BYK_Chainsaw's Journal USA 1301 Posts
Honestly, I get the feeling you are doing something wrong. I'm not there so its hard to tell. We have 6 gliders, some started off a little bity, and some didn't bite. They all grew to not bite or just give small nips that don't hurt when you grab them and they don't want to be grabbed. Our worst one was big mama, she would take the treat and your finger tip! But after 5 months big mama doesn't bite me and only bites my wife when she leaves her finger in front of big mama's face. Big mama will run away from us, she still just doesn't like humans (expect for a treat, mealies or peas.) She will walk on us just some in the playroom. But if I try to pet her, she heads in another direction.
My point is all gliders are different BUT all ours even the worst one with a BIG bite has learned to trust us, and see no need to bite us in fear.

some thoughts.
like they said above, are your hands clean and freshly washed.
while in bonding pouch do you give them some WET treats, like apples, since they don't have water in bonding pouch, how long do you have them in pouch? I give a treat of dried papaya or dried mealworms or yogurt drops then let them fall asleep in pouch.
Are they hungry? are you feeding them right or just giving them crappy pellets? how big is their cage? do they have enough room? Do they have time outside of cage to run around and be free, these are tree animals that like to move around. In our playroom they will go crazy for 1 to 3 hours, running in circles and on rope and jumping and chasing each other.
The cage can get smelly if you don't have a kitchen for their food, ours gets smelly in morning until we take out old food, without a kitchen that rotten veggies/fruits would end up on floor. Wife also cleans half the cage with some strong stuff once a week. clean to much they will mark their cage even more, making it more smelly. BUT the cage always has a small odor also.
here is our new cage full of toys, treat filled forage baskets, wheels, ropes, and more. this cage is bigger then needed, but we got 6 now and the wife wanted the wife gets.


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Apr 14 2016
11:44:51 PM
adelynamaris Joey 28 Posts
Thanks for all the suggestions! I have tried sleeping with fleece to get my scent on it when I first got them and I think that helped. I don't know what kind of living conditions they were in before so I don't know if their not used to human interaction. With the bonding pouch I wouldn't take them out for that long at a time. When you go near the cage they start to crab. The only one who has actually tired to attack my hand was the male. He is definitely the most aggressive. For their diet they get HPW mix, glider pellets and fresh fruits and vegetables every night. They can be so sweet at times and the 2 girls let me pet them but the male only lets me sometimes. I also have a question about nail cutting, how do you cut their nails without totally freaking them out? I've given mine treats and tired distracting them but they always end up leaving the treat and biting me.
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Apr 15 2016
06:17:25 AM
kiwi3435 Face Hugger Visit kiwi3435's Photo Album kiwi3435's Journal FL, USA 687 Posts
do not feed pellets. they cause a numerous amount of health problems and gliders bodies are just made to digest the hardness.
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Apr 15 2016
11:10:02 AM
BYK_Chainsaw Fuzzy Wuzzy Visit BYK_Chainsaw's Photo Album BYK_Chainsaw's Journal USA 1301 Posts
We leave a few pieces of cereal or PRO-PET happy glider cereal in the cage. they eat this from time to time. I have read in numerous places from some well known glider owners that this is fine. This food is NOT pellets like vitacraft or exotic nutritions premium sugar glider diet.
But NOT feeding cereal or pellets is good as long as they are getting plenty of your regular food.

Back to your main problem, aggressive gliders. One of my gliders likes the new trashcan sleeping bins we got him, but he cant see out until we open it up. This causes him to lunge forward and be VERY aggressive UNTIL he can see and smell that it is us. (like a jack-in-the-box) He then goes back to an almost normal state but still seems a little bit trashcan protective. We can pet his head, but he still seems defensive.
I just get the feeling (I could be totally wrong) that you are doing something the gliders don't like. which is why they are getting aggressive.
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Apr 15 2016
03:42:26 PM
adelynamaris Joey 28 Posts
Right now Im only putting food in their cage so I don't think I'm making them aggressive. They are in a quite room so people aren't always around them. Feeding wise I've heard mixed reviews about the pellets. The pellets they have are the ones they came with.
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Apr 15 2016
04:06:24 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2919 Posts
Often times people confuse aggression with fear. Can you please explain their behaviors a little more ? Like how are they aggressive, what exactly are you doing and what is their reaction to it?

As far as pellets go, that is always a controversial topic. Many people feed them, and equally as many people don't, ultimately you are the provider for your gliders and the decision for feeding pellets is yours.

If people do decided to feed them ( including you ) I would suggest using the best pellet on the market the pet pro pellet that was mentioned earlier is the most suggested pellet food in the glider community at this time. https://www.pet-pro.com/

Edited by - Leela on Apr 15 2016 04:11:43 PM
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Apr 15 2016
06:35:05 PM
adelynamaris Joey 28 Posts
With the crabby they crab when you go by the cage which I just think is because I'm bothering their sleep. Aggression wise the male is the one who will jump towards my hand and bite very hard. The two females bite if they are picked up or if I'm reaching in the cage not towards them but for their bowls.
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Apr 15 2016
08:01:18 PM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2919 Posts
OK there are a couple things that might help all of you. You might want to look into open environment pouches since they all sound a bit cage protective.

Also, and this is not to sound snarky at all, but respect their cage a little more. Put food dishes in the cage while they are still in the pouch, and remove the food dishes in the morning well after they go back into the pouch. If your feeding and removing dishes while they are awake and out in the cage it may be scaring them.

gliders typically don't like being picked up, if it's necessary try using a piece of fleece to pick them up with rather than bare hands. They think your hands are going to hurt them so they are reacting out of fear not aggression. Imagine you were their size, and a human hand reached in your cage coming right at you, hands look like bird claws ( which is a predator to gliders ) there is a really good article that might help you to put things in perspective and help you understand what the glider feels like. It's rather long but I do think it might help you and your gliders.

Building a relationship with your glider
**scroll through this, 1 line at a time**
one of the first things we do is to sit back and start watching the gliders, we have to spend as much time getting to know them, that they need to get to know you, through this time, we really want them to love us immediately, but the truth is, why should they? do they know you? do they speak your language? have they spent enough time with you to learn what your body language means, rather than what THEY perceive it as? NO? well then we will just have to fix that now won't we?

Just as no 2 kids are the same, neither are the gliders, each one has their own ways of talking to you, and each one will read you differently as well. It is up to YOU, to put words to their actions, You need to start to understand what they are feeling, why that may be, and help with possible solutions to fix it. Then you can take the next step to fixing it.

I will take you for a walk..... a walk into the mind of your glider, a place you will find yourself, more and more, and a place that will be the starting point and the most important part of trying to help yours and your gliders relationship. You will find this is not only fun, but it will be very rewarding. learning your glider, becoming one with them requires understanding, compassion, love and a lot of patience.
looking at life through THEIR eyes, not ours.
to look at life through their eyes..it is a hypothetical exercise, to get you to think about how your glider may feel about different situations,
okay , when I am done, I want you to sit back and really think of anything you may have done, anxieties included. After reading this, it should make you sit back and say.. okay now I know better.. and then work on changing things. PRACTICE what you learn here.


the first thing I want to do is make you do some thinking, some thinking as a glider, not as the owner.
Did you know a glider of 100 grams and a human of 125 lbs, that we are 700 times the size of a glider. (now do your own math to get a real comparison based on your weight, and your gliders.)but I am going to use these figures for our examples here.) to imagine what life for our gliders would be like, having an owner that compares, we would have to imagine something..........
87,500 lbs and moving and making noises that we don't understand. now sit back before you continue on, think about this.. think of things you could imagine that is that big, and would be our owner.......

personally I couldn't even imagine something that big moving, talking a different language, something that wouldn't understand our feelings.
so I am going to use King Kong, as my owner, (thinking of the movie, with the girl in his hand on the side of the empire state building,) although the picture is unrealistic according to scale (woman same size as the plane) imagine if she was scaled smaller to the right size..

for those that want a good visual, here is a picture
now imagine King Kong just getting you (your only 5 years old)and placing you in a little room, with nothing in it, no furniture, nothing ... (The room is your pouch), the door is only a window, (the top of the pouch)but very high in a building like structure with NOTHING to climb out on to, in order to escape, you can look out, and what you see is ODD, it is not like anything you have ever seen before, the life outside of that window is strange, scary and totally unfamiliar.
now King Kong walks by, makes some noises
and puts his hand in the window, and tries to grab you, what defenses do you have against King Kong? kicking, screaming, biting (lunging, crabbing biting), like they really are not going to much damage , but you are so scared, you try them anyway, nothing is working, and you continue to try, he may get annoyed and drop you, but he comes back and grabs you again. NOW.. what are you thinking?
do you care he wants to be your friend? of course not, what are you worried about? why are you afraid? because simply put, you don't want to be his breakfast, lunch or midnight marshmallow snack, for as much as you know about monsters this size, they want to eat you. why would he want to be friends with you? you have NOTHING in common at all. You can't even understand what each other is saying.


Oh no, he gets you,
he just put you in a bag, and he carrying you out of your room.. what are you thinking? where is he taking you, what is he going to do.. again are you thinking he wants to be your friend? at this point, do you really care? probably not, do you want to wait around to find out? What are you thinking? the same fears and anxieties as earlier, you don't know, and your uncertain about what is going to happen to you, it is overwhelming to you. your heart is pumping , very fast, you are breathing very hard, your body shakes with fear and your adrenaline is really pumping now..


Oh, he stopped...everything is calm.. what is happening, what is he going to do? You can't see him.. are you going to be calm and wait to see? or are you going to take the first chance you can to get away.
he opens the bag....... he looks at you, all you can see is his face ... what are you really looking at? are you watching his eyes? or his mouth? he is making noises..what is he saying? is he saying how delicious you look? or is he trying to be friends?


again, do you care that he wants to be friends? In your head. again, you don't know, it could be either way? which chance are you going to take? the chance he wants to be friends, or the chance he wants to eat you? my money would be the majority of people would think, he wants to eat them.. now you start screaming to leave you alone, you might even try to bite and kick him, but one thing is for sure, again, your heart is beating, you are shaking, your breathing heavy.
Here it comes, he puts his hand into your bag... he hasn't touched you yet.. now what are you thinking? what do you think he is doing? what will you do or try now?

some will choose to wait and see, some will choose to bite and continue to fight, some will try like heck to get out past his hand... (remember different people (gliders) act differently) this part can go in so many different directions..but I would......
try like heck to get as far away from him as possible, cause I KNOW in my head, he wants to eat me, and I am not ready to be his snack cake. sooooo. I will bite first then when he stops, I will run as fast and as far as I can...I will do anything to stay away from him. what would you do? What would you think and why?
Self Preservation kicks in and you......
are so small and he is so big, you have to be quick, smart, you must first get out.. so you bite him, run past his hand, run out, jump, do you care that you may get hurt, do you care the area may be more dangerous than he is? probably not..,He tries to grab you, you are too quick for him, you get away, you run and hide, he uncovers you, and reaches for you. you run under something he continues to come after you. Your heart is pounding so hard, you feel it in your throat. you run again, you climb up something he tries to grab you again. You run again, You jump,
you trip, you are down..

Gawd, he catches you....he is holding you tight, you can't get away, You bite him, he puts you back in the bag, he closes it up tight..
you are moving, where is he taking you? What is going to do? did you anger him? How are you feeling right now? do you think he wants to be friends now? probably not. What are you truly thinking? what are you feeling? What are your plans now?
He puts you back into your room....

What do you do? What are you thinking? What are you going to do when he comes back? How are you going to act? put yourself now in the many situations, that you have placed your glider/gliders in attempts to teach them you want to be friends with them, situations where you have tried bonding with them, before you have given them a chance to trust you. Before giving them a chance to get to know you and what your intentions truly are.


After putting our minds, into the frame set of our gliders, most if not all of us, can sit back and say.. I didn't know, I had no idea. Some of the things I did.. were awful I am sure, they had to be, my gliders was telling me they were.. when they showed me the only way they could, I tried harder, making many times the same mistakes over and over again.. until.....
I stopped one day, and looked deep into my Baybe's eyes, and started to place myself, in her tiny world, with me as my own monster.. Life turned around for me, and at the same time, I knew I had to change, for her, and you know what, my changes, gave her an opportunity to start to learn more about me, she reacted differently, not only towards me, but at the life I gave her as well.
she became more comfortable with me, with her surroundings, she played more, and she gave me, many, many years of true happiness. we became one, we understood each other, when she spoke to me (with her body language, I listened. Just as she was listening to mine.

When I was happy and calm, so was she, when I was scared, she felt it, she reacted to it, when I was not confidant, and understanding, felt unsure, so did she, she was more anxious, she felt uneasy.

for the next 2 days.... think about this story, think about things you have done, think of how you would have reacted if you were the glider? think about what you will in the future will do differently under the same situations thinking of life through the gliders eyes. could they have been prevented how? How could you have made things easier for the glider?

During these 2 days...do nothing more than use 1 sentence with your glider/gliders open their cage door often, If they are out of the pouch, ONLY look into their eyes, and with the compassion and understanding you have learned, say ONLY 1 sentence.. tell them... everything is going to be ok, do it with the love you feel, keeping your voice steady, sure and low... Watch their body language, learn it, try to put words, and feelings to the looks in their eyes. but keep it, and your hands to yourself, close the door, and go about your business. If they are in the pouch, Open the door, tell them everything is going to be okay, close the door, and walk away. Keeping your hands on the outside of the cage, and your thoughts to yourself.

You will notice when you say that 1 sentence, your tone is now different, your demeanor is now more understanding, the first time, apologize for what has been done in the past while you didn't know, and please let them know.. everything is going to be OK,
IF they want to crab, let them, if they feel there is a need to defend themselves, let them, understand why they may feel that way.. look at it through their eyes, their feelings, their thoughts, not yours.
Let us know, what you are noticing, what you are now seeing from both, your eyes and your gliders... remember from here on out, you are looking at life through THEIR eyes, working on THEIR time, on THEIR terms, not yours.

written by Bourbon Hackworth

Edited by - Leela on Apr 15 2016 08:16:53 PM
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Apr 15 2016
08:03:50 PM
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Originally posted by adelynamaris

With the crabby they crab when you go by the cage which I just think is because I'm bothering their sleep. Aggression wise the male is the one who will jump towards my hand and bite very hard. The two females bite if they are picked up or if I'm reaching in the cage not towards them but for their bowls.



this just seems odd, how long have you had them. NOTE: I'm not trying to blame you and make you feel bad, I'm just thinking something strange is going on. Maybe being in a quiet room away from people is keeping them scared of humans somewhat. They have a fresh water bottle every few days?
I think, for whatever reason, they are scared of you. Maybe go on youtube and watch some glider videos. If link or big mama don't come to me I pull out the dried mealie bucket and give it a shake. THEY COME RUNNING!
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Apr 15 2016
09:16:42 PM
adelynamaris Joey 28 Posts
I have not had them for very long. The lady I got them from handed them over very quickly and was done with them. I'm not sure what life they had before I had them but I'm trying to make this their best life. I truly love them and want to grow a lasting relationship.
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Apr 16 2016
01:28:46 AM
BYK_Chainsaw Fuzzy Wuzzy Visit BYK_Chainsaw's Photo Album BYK_Chainsaw's Journal USA 1301 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by adelynamaris

I have not had them for very long. The lady I got them from handed them over very quickly and was done with them. I'm not sure what life they had before I had them but I'm trying to make this their best life. I truly love them and want to grow a lasting relationship.



It can take gliders awhile to get used to humans, give them some time. You also might have more difficult ones if the first owner wasn't good to them. Please read, watch videos and take it slow with them, think in terms of MONTHS not days/weeks. Again our big mama has been with us 5 months, it has been a long road and she still has room to grow. Gliders do smell some even after a cage cleaning. We go from a small smell to a decently strong smell in about one week. If someone is overly sensitive to a musky odor then even after a cleaning they may not like the smell. I'd suggest cleaning the cage half way (all the poop) and see how your parents think it smells.
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Apr 16 2016
11:43:30 AM
adelynamaris Joey 28 Posts
Okay, thank you so much for the help!
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