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HELP!!! can't get our glider to stop losing weight -- neuro trauma
HELP!!! can't get our glider to stop losing weight -- neuro trauma
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Apr 27 2018
08:00:15 PM
so gizmo. was about 94 grams and is now 76 grams. he was attacked and suffered bite wound to the head. causing enucleation and they have kept him in ICU. he does some times try to test water or food they had him syringe feeding which he sometimes tolerates but has dropped significant weight. he is at windcrest animal hospital of delaware.

we have brought his mate in multiple times to visit and he still seems to delcine. and he DID have one good day in which he climed around a cage we brought. however now he seems to just stay in puch and not doo much likely due to lack of nutiriton or other factors.

he has a shiver like a walk and shakes. and does the counterclockwise circular walk ordeal I read is frequent to neural issues. other than that he seemed peaceful when he took a rest on his girlfriend (cookie) no tremor and normal breathing it appeared.

they say if he continues he likely will have to be put down so he doesn't die of malnourishment.

medicine: list of taken
Buprenex .3mg
Meloxicam
enrofloxacin
Hyaluronidase/normosol-em
artifical tears ointment
leadbeater's feeding formula

laser therapy small-em

surgery, enucleation of right eye.

currently syringe feed and subcutaneous fluid.
foods as taken.

i really want to save this glider. but the vet and the penn specialist is saying its a lost cause.
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Apr 28 2018
07:09:39 AM
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I've seen one glider survive in similar circumstances, but he was syringue fed every few hours with extra supplements (emeraid intensive care omnivore if I recall) for 6 weeks.
Leadbeater's formula will not help him gain weight under such circumstances -especially if he does not eat it- it's not designed for the extra need of injured animals

If he is alone there and that people around do not give him a high level of interraction, it might not help either, depression adding to the issue


Edited by - sjusovare on Apr 28 2018 07:13:04 AM
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Apr 28 2018
11:07:35 AM
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Where can,I get this I don't think the vet or Penn has this. Wanna get him on it asap to see if it can help. Live in delaware,USA.
Or anything mixable at home we can use as substitute for this formulav?
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Apr 28 2018
11:16:03 AM
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Apr 28 2018
11:54:04 AM
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ok i have questions.

is the eye healed?


does the vet have experience with this type of injury?

is he still on the buprenex? I'm dumbfounded that they are using that on a glider.

it's a Narcotic that is 30 times stronger than morphine

High risk for addiction and dependence. Can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances

I'd question if the medication is affecting him eating and his mobility issues both very well could be directly related to the meds and or neuro issues.

are they trying to feed him during the day or at night?


are you able to travel if there is another vet that could give you a second opinion on his future?
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Apr 28 2018
02:05:59 PM
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He didn’t seem weak today but quick running in circles didn’t even take notice of any food. My friend thought he almost looked bored could that cause the circular running. Had ok balance to what I thought had he circled my hand and stuff. Not sure about eye quality that’s still intact other one is removed and healing. Really need something concrete as they were recommend putting down and I know so little about gliders.

That formula why is it soo much better than what’s he on they didn’t seem to realize why it’s so much more better. I’m going to demand he’s put on it ;exclusively??)

I don’t think we got any toys. What would be safe for a glider doing what’s he been doing something he can’t hurt himself unsupervised
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Apr 28 2018
02:21:31 PM
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Leadbeater's feeding formula is actually an old recipe created by Taronga zoo (they don't even use it anymore AFAIK) to suit the needs of leadbeater's possums, not sugar gliders. If it has been used for years in zoos for sugar gliders, it's increasingly being replaced by more recent diets.
In your case, the point is that an injured gliders in recovery needs extra nutriments, and to put on some weight, which leadbeater's formula will not provide, while specific critical care formulas such as Emeraid is specifically designed for such situations.

Leela : the problem with this oxbow formula is that it's designed for herbivores and lacks proteins, formula for omnivorous or insectivorous are better suited.

Your vet can easily get emeraid here

Edited by - sjusovare on Apr 28 2018 02:27:39 PM
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Apr 28 2018
02:27:36 PM
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on top of being extremely doped up, he's having to adjust to only having one eye so his vision is wayyyyyyyy different than what he is used to which could be why he is circling, he could be moving in the direction HE sees the best.

The intensive care food is exactly that, its a diet designed for gliders who have serious medical issues. I don't know the full nutritional break down of it but I do know most vets will put gliders on it if they have serious issues and weight concerns. it is NOT used as a normal long term diet for gliders, once out of the danger zone they go back to what ever their normal diet was.

without you supplying more information we can't give you anything concrete. Even with more info we might not be able to...

Sj i grabbed the wrong link didn't see it till now


Edited by - Leela on Apr 28 2018 02:29:34 PM
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Apr 28 2018
02:36:35 PM
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Apr 30 2018
01:15:30 PM
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do want to get a second opinion for the glider. however, it seems Windcrest is the only animal hospital that does gliders. I live in the northern Delaware state. zip 19711. any suggestions. penn didnt physically see him but only spoke with windcrest said it was lost cause. also don't think they specialize in gliders either.

right now he is on an antibiotic and drops for the eye. the critical care when we can get him to take. he eats or looks like he is eating (not sure if down mouth) frequently but we have NOT noticed any attempt to drink water.

still, circles and frequently has a shaking like movement. not sure yet if cold placed a basic heat pad on the cage floor. under bedding. he does seem to want to be very close to it often.

is there any way to take IR/ oral or forehead/ear temp of a glider. don't feel comfortable rectal readings? (how long to take?) nor can we prob get him still that long. or a small enough thermometer for that!

we know they tend to hide pain or other symptoms well so I also want to know how to determine that so he is not suffering.
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Apr 30 2018
01:33:13 PM
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My friend had to insit with her glider when the vets were saying he was a lost cause.. well it's 5 years later and he's still alive so... but it took 3 months for him to recover
HELP!!! can't get our glider to stop losing weight -- neuro trauma

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