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Sep 20 2009
07:00:21 PM
I am about to scream.

So I am working at Macys today and a couple come to my register and are purchasing a jacket (or something) and I instantly recognize the horrid piece of paper that the girl is holding. It was none other then the selling point booklet from pocket pets. Instantly I let them know that if they are considering getting a glider to do their research and to please PLEASE not buy a glider from pocket pets and let them know that the booklet has a lot of lies and that the company is a mill breeder. The couple was very interested in what I had to say and I pointed them to this website, although I'm the first to admit that it is a valuable resource but that they should search from many people/website's so they can hear all different opinions and options and not to be preached one end all answer.

That is when I discovered that PPP was in the mall! (I'm going to be in contact with the health department to see if they are allowed to have a nonhelper animal near a food court) So I spent my lunch hour 'discussing' the untruths of their corporation with a gentleman who apparently had been schooled on how to answer any question with grace and charm. Of course he was a terrific salesman, but any educated person would wonder why the answer to most of the questions were that Pocket Pets is the leading authority of gliders and that our (the rest of the glider community) information is outdated. Oh and their diet is backed and researched by Purina and is the best and only food that gliders should ever have. I did direct him to sugarglider.com and told him that if he was indeed sure of his company then he should come on here and defend it. He believed that the horror stories that have been posted on this forum were lies manafactured by extremists, which apparently those of us who care about our gliders are. I hope that he comes on here, and I hope that you will help me in discussing these issues further with him and his blasted corporation, which breeds 10,000 gliders a year apparently. And the lead vet in the nation on gliders sides with them, hmmm.....I wonder why? Oh free helpless test subjects?

I was able to get another couple to the side and advise them to do their research before getting one. I let them know about the diet, time, cage, and of course that they are wonderful pets, but that they will be much healthier and happier if not only kept in pairs (and dude plus chick equals babies lol) but purchased from a local breeder who is not out for a profit.

I have been advised by friends and family to start to take action and contact the health department to see if what they were doing is legal with the food court, and to contact the local Humane Society or SPCA and let them know about a suspected mill operation. The best thing I was advised to do is to contact my local papers and write a letter to the editor.

If there is anyone else in Delaware, or close, who wants to join me on any effort I can to make PPP life a living hell (pardon my language but there is no other term to describe what they deserve) and in the process save the lives of (apparently) 10,000 animals, please respond or PM me!
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Sep 20 2009
07:26:57 PM
H Super Glider Visit H's Photo Album 281 Posts
You go girl!!! I think the local paper and news stations are a great place to start. Also noteworthy, when we took our glider in to get vet checked, our vet said that the vet that supposedly backs pp's "glider-chow" is nowhere to be found online. My vet said any vet who has done any type of exotic research like this would be all over the internet .....but guess what.....the pp vet authority is not. Imagine that.
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Sep 20 2009
07:32:28 PM
suppressedtearz Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit suppressedtearz's Photo Album USA 1066 Posts
Way to stand up to them! Not enough people go through with taking the effort against them.
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Sep 20 2009
07:39:30 PM
Dahlia_2020 Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit Dahlia_2020's Photo Album SC, USA 1419 Posts
He's flat out lying to you. And he's not going to come on this website. He's going to patronize you and hope you lose your temper and prove yourself to be an "extremist". Your wasting your breath on him. Best thing you can do is see if you can get the media and/or mall managers involved. Shot in the dark but worth it.

Has anyone ever thought of secretly recording their BS? Not for just all the lies they use that any vet worth his salt could tell you was incorrect, but this supposed involvement of Purina in the making of their food. Isn't this even bigger BS?
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Sep 20 2009
08:51:33 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
People have tried getting pictures of the condition these joeys are in but I haven't seen any to date. I know at one point, they weren't keeping any joeys with them, but were selling them and had people picking them up out of hotel rooms.
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Sep 20 2009
08:53:49 PM
gray_Fox_forever Super Glider Visit gray_Fox_forever's Photo Album USA 352 Posts
What part in deleware???? I live in Maryland, but if its not too far i would be more than happy to join you :P
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Sep 20 2009
09:09:31 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
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Originally posted by kyro298

People have tried getting pictures of the condition these joeys are in but I haven't seen any to date. I know at one point, they weren't keeping any joeys with them, but were selling them and had people picking them up out of hotel rooms.

Ummmm explains why when they were set up at the Iowa State Fair they had signs yo that said "No pictures please" Had my suspicions that was the reason why.
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Sep 20 2009
09:22:00 PM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
I live in northern delaware but the mall is dover mall in dover delaware. I don't know if they are going to be there after the weekend, but I'm going to do whatever I can. That is the least I can do for our furry friends!
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Sep 20 2009
10:07:27 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
we have pics of them set up at the fair but not of the conditions the joeys are in but i will say that they were set up outside and on the hottest day it was like 95 degrees i was talking with one of there sales people and was asking questions but once they found out that i already had 4 gliders they didnt want to talk with me anymore.
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Sep 21 2009
05:47:57 PM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
Okay so I have been in tears and anger, unable to eat anything, today. My day started out pretty good, until around 11 AM when the gentleman from Pocket Pets came into my store while I was working and informed me that the company which he represents wants to sue me for slander because of this thread I posted. He also told me he was doing everything in his power to stop it, but I could be looking at at least a $10,000 lawsuit. Even when I attempted to help a customer, he wouldn't let me out of the conversation and I ended up having to take half an hour off of work to get myself back together. There is no way I have that kind of money, I paid entirely for my college, and am in debt for quite some time because of that.

Apparently PP has been keeping an eye on the glider forums ready to take legal action to shut down the forum or shut up the people. Last time I checked I'm pretty sure I have the freedom of speech, and I highly doubt this case they are building against me (soley for posting the first message on this thread) has no chance against the first ammendment, but I am still asking you all for your advice.

Should I just shut up and stop posting my beliefs? Apparently if someone speaks up they should be instantly shut down. Because if someone actually rose against the machine we might actually have: no slavery, women's rights, animal welfare acts.....oh wait we do because people have stuck up for their human rights. I'm pretty sure I am an American. Also he doesn't actually know my whole name so I don't think he can even sue me.............

I write this to let you all know that if you are afraid of this company and their high priced lawyers, then perhaps you should be aware that they are spying on us. I never meant to bring trouble to you, but I couldn't not share my thoughts on this.
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Sep 21 2009
06:10:36 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
Slander is when you say things that aren't true correct?
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Sep 21 2009
06:17:13 PM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
Lol yeah I thought the same thing! Also I just went onto their website, and they have completely changed some parts and reworded a lot of their information. It is almost as if in the past two weeks since I checked out their website they thought about the concept of someone saying something bad and changed over so that they don't seem as though they are lying. Though their sales pitches are still the same old thing.
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Sep 21 2009
06:18:02 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
You can't be sued. Yes, they definitely lurk here...that's why there's the option of posting anonymously. They threaten people with this ALL the time.
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Sep 21 2009
06:21:01 PM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
That is good to hear, but why would they want to make a young girl cry? I mean I am one of the most innocent people I know and I have had a headache and literally sick to my stomach all day about it.
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Sep 21 2009
06:21:21 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
Yeah my first thought was they were just trying to scare you. If they come back in to ypur work have him kicked out thats harrassment.
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Sep 21 2009
06:23:01 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Oh and if they come after you, they have to come after ALL of us. Hey PPP, do a search about YOURSELVES up on top in the search area. filly, this is nothing but an attempt to keep you from putting a dent in their sales. THAT'S ALL. There is not one thing you posted that wasn't true. You can state your opinions all day long AND they can't shut this forum down. There are forums based SOLELY on shutting THEM down and they can't be successful. This is why it's SO incredibly important to document things when they happen, get vet records, pictures, whatever it takes to present facts-not just opinions.
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Sep 21 2009
06:28:52 PM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
That makes me feel so much better and that I'm not the only one that was attacked. I felt confident in my freedom of speech, but an expensive lawyer can do wonders. My friend Joe also told me that if they tried to sue me, that I could sue them back just as much for harrasment. Also yes, I was wondering how they could single me out when I know I'm not the only one who not only feels that way but continously post about it!
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Sep 21 2009
06:40:13 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I wouldn't blame you for wanting to stay away from their booth now, but they cannot do anything to you. There's NOTHING wrong with letting people know about glider forums either to guide people to other owners, support, vets, diet info, everything... Nothing illegal about it. Nothing questionable about it.
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Sep 22 2009
01:18:01 AM
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Sweetie, they are SO trying to snowball you right now. You didn't do anything wrong, and you didn't do anything illegal. It's only slander if it's not true. And yes, you are right, there is a little thing called free speech.

That poophead who came to talk to you, acting like all he wanted to do was help you by keeping the big bad PPP from coming after you had only one agenda. To scare you. And his attempt to play good cop bad cop actually falls under harassment. If a company is going to press a lawsuit against you, they send a lawyer. Not an employee to scare you with threats. Harassing you at work is actually the only illegal activity that I'm seeing at the moment. He does it again, CALL SECURITY. You understand me? There is an appropiate legal approach and what he did is not it. You could actually press charges against HIM for that mess. In fact, it might be prudent for you to go ahead and contact mall security and tell them what happened. The incident will then be on record and that would be a very good thing for you in case it happens again.

You have to keep in mind too what you've been saying on here, particularly in regards to contacting local media outlets. THAT is the real reason he sought you out to try to shut you up. They don't want the media involved. If we could ever get the media involved then PPP would be in serious trouble and they know it. I'm a firm believer that this is what will eventually take them down. They also have to invest a little bit of money into those kiosks and they don't want to lose that. These guys like to use misinformation and intimidation. It's utterly ridiculous. I've never seen such blatant lying from a so called pet organization in all my life and I gladly look forward to the day they bite the freakin' dust.
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Sep 22 2009
04:57:06 AM
dizzysmom Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Visit dizzysmom's Photo Album dizzysmom's Journal IN, USA 3882 Posts
These all seem to be empty threats, but do be careful. When you post about them here, use the Anonymous option.
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Sep 22 2009
09:02:07 AM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
I did indeed contact mall security and let all of my managers and my store's security know about the harrassment. So if PPP is listening on on me right now, guess what? Send your little bogie again and all I have to do is make one call to my store's security and you will have an escort out. Also instead of pissing off just me, everyone who saw me crying heard my story and are also thoroughly pissed off at you.

Oh yes, and I do have the right to post whatever the crap I want on a private forum online. And guess what, if you do choose to sue me, you better not only take action against everyone else who hates you on here, but google yourself and sue those other 5,000 people. I just joined a group on facebook who is all about hating you. Also if you go after just me, that is discrimination, so file that along with the harrassment.

And if people could sue for people having an opinion, then no one could have an opinion and mega stores full of corruption would lead the world, and we wouldn't be in a place called America. Holy crap, Walmart could have lead tens of thousands of lawsuits for all the people that post about them online!
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Sep 22 2009
09:15:16 AM
gray_Fox_forever Super Glider Visit gray_Fox_forever's Photo Album USA 352 Posts
Yea i totally agree. Document EVERYTHING. My uncle is a lawyer, so if you need some legal advice on anything, send me a pm and im sure i can get you into contact with im :)
Thast actually really bad for the company for one of their employees to come and harass you and make a girl cry! I agree with what everyone said, its def harassment, and there is nothing that can be done to any of us on this forum. :), period :)!

So dont worry about it. Just think, if you already have documentation of their lies they are telling potential clients, and documentation of the harassment he gave you the other day......just one wisper to the news, and bye bye ppp in your mall lol!
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Sep 22 2009
09:39:08 AM
Dahlia_2020 Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit Dahlia_2020's Photo Album SC, USA 1419 Posts
Good girl! Glad to hear you contacted mall security. I'd love to see that jerk mess with you again, just so you could have the pleasure of watching mall security escort him out of the mall. Something tells me that would be very bad for business.

This mill breeder relies on intimidation and lies. Don't let them win.
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Sep 22 2009
10:49:42 PM
kazko Little Bunny FooFoo GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kazko's Photo Album kazko's Journal TX, USA 6752 Posts
There are a number of documented cases I am aware of with this exact same harassment profile from these people. I'm not really sure why something hasnt been done yet. I think all in all people calm down and let it slide and nobody stays behind the boulder. So at least reporting your story here lets those who are collecting them have more information and another witness, or in your case, many more witnesses.

One of these days this will happen to someone in Texas who will probably be carrying a gun at that moment as most Texans seem to do these days.

And by the way, when that gentleman verbally threatens you with a $10,000 law suit again, you can threaten him back with the $25,000 fine on his employment contract after you phone Virgil and explain how this person divulged some of their internal secrets to you which many of us are happy to hand over on request. There really arent that many documented right now as they do most business, especially strong arming, verbally; pretty much like the mafia does. But there is a lot of hearsay given up by the young idiots that have worked with the group.

I myself have seen a few cell phone videos that tell a nice story. It is amazing how politically incorrect some people can be when they think nobody else is watching.
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Sep 29 2009
12:43:27 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
I've seen their demos at Dover Mall and again at Christiana Mall last weekend. I cannot believe - after reading these posts - that they haven't been made to stop.

No wonder, when I attempted to snap a photo on my cell phone, I was told "No photos." What they're doing is obviously illegal.
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Oct 17 2009
02:24:15 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
I live in Omaha Nebraska and ppp came to a mall near me and i was excited about it, but after hearing about this i don't know what to think. If I wanted a sugar glider then where in heck do I get one without the worry of a person giving it to me ilegaly. I just don't know what to think
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Oct 17 2009
08:40:37 PM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
Good news! I know this is a bit after the fact but I forgot to mention that Pocket Pets was kicked out of the mall for unscrupulous activity and harrassment of protestors and health concerns up in New Castle Delaware. I was thrilled to hear this! Everyone, please contact your local malls and let them know your stand on PPP and threaten to boycott any mall who allows them to sell their lies at their mall! This is one thing we can do without getting in trouble for! I urge you all to write a strong letter to any and all malls in your area! I have! Also I am making up anti PPP buttons, let me know who wants one to wear in protest anytime you see them. Freedom of speech!
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Oct 17 2009
08:58:14 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
http://www.*site banned*/questions.php
Scroll down to the picture of the glider in the midst of fledgling cockatiels. That really isn't smart.....gliders eat birds! And if that glider were to go after one of those birds, both the glider and the bird could get seriously injured! How stupid are these people?
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Oct 17 2009
09:10:27 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
Anonymous: I found mine on craigslist. But this site also has an Animal Classifieds section with people who rescue then adopt out their gliders. Just click Glider Gossip at the top of the page, then scroll down to the Animal Classifieds section of the forum. Use caution and ask questions. Babies should be at least 8-12 weeks OOP before being separated from their parents. PPP is notorious for selling babies too soon. I've heard TONS of stories of the babies dying because they weren't properly developed/cared for. Research diets and cage sizes. Many people have had their gliders on pellet diets [which I've heard PPP does] and that means they're selling you a malnourished glider! Also, buy more than one. Gliders need to be together and can/will self-mutilate and/or die of loneliness. When you do buy them, take them to a vet to get a wellness check. If you have ANY questions just post and everyone will gladly hop on to give you their opinion. Good luck. Oh. And I don't recommend getting them from a pet shop. They're not usually cared for correctly and will be harder to bond with.
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Oct 17 2009
09:50:41 PM
TravelmanDE Starting Member 1 Posts
I'm in Delaware and looking to get one. Where did you get yours from? I can't find anyone around here that has them.
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Oct 17 2009
09:53:37 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
i was in petco today and there was a ladie that was in there she was looking for something to cut her gliders nails with and she said that her gliders where biting her so bad that her hands where all riped up. And i asked her how long she has had them she said a month that she has been doing everything that the web was telling her. Well she was told and on the ppp page told her when they bite to put your finger in her mouth and then rub the side of her face to show her not to bite and she said she would fall asleep and sleep. I said omg her is my vet and we are des moines we have a good vet here for gliders so she is going to call the vet monday i told her she needs to take them in for testing and she paid them $500 for a 4 foot cage
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