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Smoothies!! Help!!!
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Sep 21 2009
06:23:07 PM
I got a bunch of stuff yesterday at the store and having loads of problems getting the calcium ratio right in it!! I was going to make smoothies and freeze them.

Like I've said before I've been a bad Mommy when it comes to this. So I was looking for some help.

Tomorrow I'm going to go get some rep-cal powder.

Here's a list of the fruits I got if anyone can help me. I've spent all day with the nutrition recipe maker, and I just can't make a smoothie recipe that adds up!!!

Fresh:
1 large papaya
Cantoloupe
Apples
Peaches
Nectarines

A bag of frozen mixed berries: Strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries
And a bag of frozen mixed fruit: pineapple, strawberries, peaches, cantaloupe, red grapes

If anyone can help, I would be so grateful. I've looked through the recipes already on the website, but I don't have 7 cups of papaya to level out the recipe!! So none of those will work for me.
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Sep 21 2009
06:37:54 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Do you have enough for 2 cups of papaya? If you use 2 cups of papaya and 1 cup of the bag with the pineapple mix in it, that's probably your best bet for ratios. Unfortunately, fruits like peaches and nectarines have backwards ratios. The only berry listed that isn't backwards is blackberries and there usually aren't enough of them in those bags to make a huge difference. If you're trying for smoothies, have you seen this from Luckyglider?

"The LGRS Suggie Soup is an economical, lower-fat, higher
calcium, higher protein recipe than similar recipes that
use expensive, imported HPW powder. This is the standard
recipe for all rescues and animals being rehabilitated at
Lucky Glider Rescue & Sanctuary. You can dilute the
finished product with water or apple juice and syringe feed
it to gliders who are suffering from metabolic bone disease
or hind leg paralysis. It is important to first take malnourished
gliders to the vet as they are often candidates for a subcutaneous
calcium injection. You should also consider
sharing this recipe with your vet.

[Depending on options, produces between 6 to 7 1/2 cups]

LGRS SUGGIE SOUP INGREDIENTS

2 - 3 cups of juices, mixed or single:
- Naked brand "Mighty Mango,"
- Papaya
- Orange
(the best is papaya because of the 4.8:1 CA:PH ratio as it
makes up for the "upside down" nature of other fruits
and veggies. You can also use calcium fortified orange juice)

1-1/2 cup honey, FILTERED, warmed slightly so it will easily and
quickly mix in with other ingredients. Do not use comb honey,
non-filtered, or "raw" honey.

3 eggs completely cooked: hard boiled or scrambled eggs.
Do not use fats or oils to scramble. If you add another tablespoon
of the dehydrated fly pupae, you can eliminate the eggs altogether.

1/4 cup High Protein Powder
(The Passwell/Womberoo "HPW" powder is OK but it is
8x as expensive as what you can get on line or at
Trader Joe's. Trader Darwin's Vanilla Flavored Soy Powder
is a fine substitute. Second choice would be "Designer Whey."
LGRS has conducted a side-by-side nutritional analysis of
the HPW versus Trader Darwin's Vanilla Flavored Soy.
Both contain similar trace minerals and less common vitamins.
both are suitable in the quantities idenified here.

2 tablespoons bee pollen granules or powdered (not capsules)
(You can get this on line at www.bulkfoods.com). The protein
content of pollen varies depending on the source plant, but
is generally in the range of 30 to 40 percent. The mineral
ash content also varies.

3 tablespoons Fly pupae (dehydrated and powdered option).
You can get this on line at www.oregonfeederinsects.com.
This is the pupae/cocoon stage of the common housefly.
Oregon feeder insects offers these in dry, powdered form.
Fly pupae is an excellent source of protein but it is very
low in fat, making it a suitable substitute for eggs and other
high-fat, high cholesteral protein sources. It smells like
fertilizer and once blended in it looks like pepper.

Do not skimp on the pollen and fly pupae.
They are very important parts of the diet.

1 large container (16 oz) of yogurt
(Low fat, fruits added OK).

LGRS Suggie Soup OPTIONS
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The general consistency of the "soup" is like a thin smoothie.
If your soup comes out too watery, you can thicken it
with Acacia Gum powder - just a few pinches will do.
You can also sneak in foods that are
good for them but that they don't eat on their own.

For example, you can blend in a cup of cooked
kale, berries, watermelon, etc. and try a different
blend each time you make up the soup for variety.

You can make two or three batches at the same time
and the color of the soup will changed depending on the
options. Once frozen, you can easily change-up the
"soup of the day" for the suggies to give them variety.

Of the three parts of the diet, the soup is essential.
The honey is the taste that attracts them to the soup,
so don't skimp on the honey. Make sure it's filtered honey.

DIRECTIONS for Mixing LGRS Suggie Soup
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1. Cook 3 eggs, set aside to cool slightly

2. Blend bee pollen and dehydrated fly pupae together so it
is one fine powder and set aside

3. Place juice and warmed honey in blender and mix well

4. Add protein powder and yogurt all at once to the juice and honey
mixture. Blend till smooth [depending on the size of your blender
you may need to blend the rest in stages]

5. Add eggs and pollen/pupae mix into the liquid ingredients.
Blend until smooth

6. Add optional fruits and veggies

7. Pour into small freezer-safe containers for freezing
use containers that you can put in the fridge with enough
to last three days. If you have two gliders who will only
eat two tablespoons per serving, those containers can be
pretty small. Some people freeze the soup in ice cube trays
and pop the frozen cubes into freezer bags.

****** important note ********

This is just the soup part of the diet. Be sure to feed several tablespoons of balanced fruits and veggies on the side. You can also feed a plop of cottage cheeze, baked chickena or lean, drained, cooked hamburger on the side. See the nutrition tables here on this site for Ca:Ph ratios. You are shooting for 2:1 ratio. Keep in mind that most dark grean leafy veggies are high in oxalate and therefore cancel out the Ca for that particular food (oxalytic acid binds to the calcium in the digestive tract so it cannot be absorbed)."



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Sep 21 2009
07:01:50 PM
suppressedtearz Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit suppressedtearz's Photo Album USA 1066 Posts
I don't have access to a lot of those ingredients at this time, bee pollen, pupae, things like that so I'll have to hold off on that recipe.

Another question I have is the calcium supplement, I was going to go get repcal tomorrow. But I have a bottle of fruit flavored antacids. They are 1000 mg of calcium carbonate. Could I crush them up for her smoothies? And if so how much should I be using?
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Sep 21 2009
07:18:43 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I honestly don't supplement so I don't know but maybe there's some info here that could help?

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?whichpage=0.633333333333333&TOPIC_ID=22816#177946
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Sep 21 2009
07:49:00 PM
suppressedtearz Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit suppressedtearz's Photo Album USA 1066 Posts
Thanks Kyro, I e-mailed Kazko since he mentioned using antacids.
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Sep 21 2009
09:50:42 PM
Candy Cuddle Bear Visit Candy's Photo Album FL, USA 8110 Posts
If you use the antacids be sure to crush them to a very fine powder so the calcium will be evenly distributed in your mix. They are designed to be chewed and do not dissolve easily.

I use a human grade Calcium Carbonate powder - Now brand from the health food store.

I have a diet calculator (excel spread sheet) on my web page GliderKids.com that you can use to build your recipe also. There is also a printable pdf file that give the nutrient amounts in 1 TBS portions you can use for reference.
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Sep 21 2009
09:59:56 PM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
I also use the NOW brand of calcium purchased from the local health food store. I have both calcium citrate and calcium carbonate - and sometimes make a mixture of the two.

Here is an article on calcium which explains the different between the two: (this article is based on people and not animals)

http://www.healthcastle.com/calciumcarbonate-calciumcitrate.shtml
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