Fixed it... Still don't know why it did that.

can someone tell me what brand of mango and papaya juice to use? I can only find the type with lots of added corn syrup.

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Originally posted by kelii

can someone tell me what brand of mango and papaya juice to use? I can only find the type with lots of added corn syrup.

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I think Jumex is one of the brands. I just buy the fruit whole and puree what i need.

Walmart carries the Ceres brand of papaya juice. Sams Club and Costco carry the Jumex brand mango juice. If you have trouble finding these, you can liquefy mango and papaya with a blender.

thanks! I see ceres all the time :)

Are you guys talking the Jumex Mango Nectar? I wanted to try the LGRS for my gliders since they'are so picky. Thanks.

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Are you guys talking the Jumex Mango Nectar? I wanted to try the LGRS for my gliders since they'are so picky. Thanks.

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Yes we use that all the time. I prefer simply chopping up and blending the fruit though if you can get it. There are also lots of choices on the internet but sometimes the shipping is a little high.

You can also talk to your grocer about ordering it special for you...

A lot of people have been asking what you can use instead of the Trader Darwin's Vanilla Flavored Soy...

Here are suitable substitutes in order of preference:

1. High Protein Womberoo (a bit expensive, but OK)

www.sugar-glider-store.com/wombaroo-high-protein-supplement-25o.html

2. Arnold's Choice Possum Milk Replacer (Whey-based and a lot cheaper than the womberoo supplement)

www.sugar-gliders.com/possum-milk-replacer.htm

3. Designer Whey

www.designerwhey.com/

There is a "starter kit" available from Marsupial Madness in case you want to try this recipe and you don't want to go all over to get the weird ingredients:

http://marsupialmadness.com/?page_id=27

Disclaimer: Lucky Glider Rescue & Sanctuary has no commercial affiliation with the Marsupial Madness folks. We are a non-profit public charity and we do not "sell" the ingredients for LGRS suggie soup. We have no problem with other people doing this if it makes it easier for people to try the recipe, however.

Always check the ingredients of any starter kits against the published recipe for LGRS Suggie Soup which you will always find here:

http://files.meetup.com/768852/LGRS_SuggieSoup.pdf

I borrowed this from another post to update this one. Below is a "rotation" that might work for you...

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Originally posted by misscarl

...it says to offer fruits veggies and meat on the side. im just used to offering fruits and veggies, so do you just use like turkey or chicken (no seasonings, oil, etc) along with fruits and veggies? so every nght, each glider gets 2tbs suggie soup, 1 tbs fruit, 1tbs veggies, and 1tbs meat? ...

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Great question. OK. let's establish first what meats are OK to feed:
1. Chicken, boiled or baked, no skin. Or canned with water or frozen and no preservatives
2. Turkey as in the same as chicken above
3. Lean, cooked hamburger.
4. Although technically not "meat" you can feed scrambled eggs

The problem with meat is each one of these is upside-down Ca:P-wise so you have to offset the phosphorus with calcium powder. The best D3-fortified stuff is Flukers brand because it mixes better than Repcal because it is a much finer powder. A pinch (1/8th of a teaspoon) is enough to spread out over 8 - 10 servings of meat. D3 helps in metabolizing the calcium so be sure to get the kind with D3 in it.

There are a couple of ways to feed meats.

One way is to just dice it up and serve it alongside the mixture of fruits and veggies.

Another way is to blend it with fruits or veggies that your gliders don't like. They are more likely to eat the fruits and veggies they don't like when you blend the meat in. In fact you can make little "meat balls" and bake them if you want. They will love it.

It's always a good idea to rotate the side dishes.

For example:

Sunday...
Orange Slices, Halved cherry tomatoes, diced cucumber and diced chicken (cooked) (add calcium)

Monday...
A plop of cottage cheese, watermelon, papaya chunks (8 parts), and corn (one part).

Tuesday...
Diced chicken (cooked), melon, broccoli, peas, and a plop of yogurt (add Calcium)

Wednesday...
Lean hamburger (cooked), mixed into a meatloaf with corn, peas, and berries on the side. (add calcium)

Thursday...
Scrambled eggs with green peppers, strawberries, and cucumber, and a few tiny pieces of plain cheese (add calcium)

Friday...
Turkey chunks with a medley of papaya, watermelon, and corn on the side (add calcium)

Saturday...
A plop of yogurt, cooked lean hamburger meatballs (tiny), apple and cherry tomatoes cut in half. (add calcium)

You can go here to resources/nutrition to try out the recipe calculator to play with the portions so you can see how changing the amount of one item vs. another will change the Ca:P ratio. As implied above, you can always "rightsize" the calcium by adding a tiny pinch of Flukers across multiple servings.

P.S. Most gliders are not lactose intolerant. They nurse for 15 weeks out of pouch and 70 days in-pouch so milk is not poison to them. Just don't over-do it on the cheese. Note how during a whole week there is one plop of cottage cheese and a few pieces of plain cheese.

P.P.S. Yes, they can have citrus and tomatoes. They love tomatoes in general. Just don't overdo it. The orange juice in the soup also has citrus for example.

Just BUMPING :)

There is a new URL location for the official LGRS Suggie Soup Recipe. It is here now:

http://files.meetup.com/768852/LGRSSuggieSoup.pdf

If you have a hard time retrieving the file from this location, you can email me at ed@luckyglider.org and I will send the PDF back to you.

Hello educated SGF's (sugar glider families )

I am a newbie to all of this and have been doing as much research as my lil brain can handle lately! I just got my first suggie (yes I will be getting her a friend shortly but that topic is for another day..) and I am wondering everyone's honest opinion on diet. Here is what I have been doing so far (a little over a week, this is the diet provided to me by her previous owner per the breeder she came from):

-HPW complete
-rotation of different mixed veggies and fruit (i have followed the suggested fruits and veggies and i THINK i am starting to understand the Ca:Ph ratio...)
-pellets as filler provided to me by owner - although after doing research I now know isn't the best thing for them, I do plan to cut this out more as I learn about their diet.
- and every other day I sprinkle glide-a-mins over her fruits and veggies
sometimes I throw in a bit of egg, but that is about it so far..

After doing some research I am most curious about the LGRS suggie soup
My questions are as follows:
How does this compare to HPW Complete?
Has anyone found suggie soup to be better than HPW Complete?
When I do switch her diet, what is the best way...just a little change at a time?

Thank you for anyone who would like to reply to this, and I apologize if I am rehashing anything anyone has previously posted, I did do my best to read all six pages of posts before I posted!!

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Glide-a-mins are not a part of the HPW feeding plan and should NOT be added.

LGRS and HPW Complete are very different feeding plans.

HPW complete is supposed to provide all the protein, calcium and vitamins your glider needs when fed with a variety of fruits and vegetables.

LGRS Soup provides the calcium and vitamins and part of the protein. With this feeding plan you also feed a protein source and a variety of fruits and vegetables each night.

There is no perfect glider feeding plan and there is no "approval" process. Some gliders seem to do better on one feeding plan than they do on others.

The choice of feeding plans is up to you. If your glider is doing well on the current diet, there is no need to change unless you just want a different preparation and feeding routine.

Most glider do fine with switching diets. You do not really need to do it gradually. Either way, it sometimes takes a few days on a new diet before gliders eat it well. Switching frequently can result in a number of days with each switch when gliders do not eat well.

There are other feeding plans you might also want to look over. I have links to the original directions for several that have been used for many years on my web page to help with your research.

http://www.gliderkids.com/contact.html

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A lot of people have been asking what you can use instead of the Trader Darwin's Vanilla Flavored Soy...

Here are suitable substitutes in order of preference:

1. High Protein Womberoo (a bit expensive, but OK)

www.sugar-glider-store.com/wombaroo-high-protein-supplement-25o.html

2. Arnold's Choice Possum Milk Replacer (Whey-based and a lot cheaper than the womberoo supplement)

www.sugar-gliders.com/possum-milk-replacer.htm

3. Designer Whey

www.designerwhey.com/

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Question for the extremely diet-knowledgable among the group, If HPW can base its entire protein profile for the diet around the Wombaroo Supplemant would that mean if we substituted the Wombaroo Supplement for the Soy, or even added a little in on top of the soy, would that remove the Protein requirement from the LGRS Compote requirement?

The reason i ask is I feel bad that they are getting re-heated boiled chicken or fried hamburger or frozen egg ommlettes every night that i dont cook something i can just give them that we are eating.

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If HPW can base its entire protein profile for the diet around the Wombaroo Supplemant.....

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NO, HPW does not get its entire protein content from the Wombaroo High Protein supplement. HPW also contains 3 Eggs in each batch that provide a majority of the protein in the Staple mixed as directed.

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If HPW can base its entire protein profile for the diet around the Wombaroo Supplemant.....

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NO, HPW does not get its entire protein content from the Wombaroo High Protein supplement. HPW also contains 3 Eggs in each batch that provide a majority of the protein in the Staple mixed as directed.

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derp... i forgot about the eggs lol... Okay thanks candy!

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Originally posted by LuckyGlider

A lot of people have been asking what you can use instead of the Trader Darwin's Vanilla Flavored Soy...

Here are suitable substitutes in order of preference:

1. High Protein Womberoo (a bit expensive, but OK)

www.sugar-glider-store.com/wombaroo-high-protein-supplement-25o.html

2. Arnold's Choice Possum Milk Replacer (Whey-based and a lot cheaper than the womberoo supplement)

www.sugar-gliders.com/possum-milk-replacer.htm

3. Designer Whey

www.designerwhey.com/

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Question for the extremely diet-knowledgable among the group, If HPW can base its entire protein profile for the diet around the Wombaroo Supplemant would that mean if we substituted the Wombaroo Supplement for the Soy, or even added a little in on top of the soy, would that remove the Protein requirement from the LGRS Compote requirement?

The reason i ask is I feel bad that they are getting re-heated boiled chicken or fried hamburger or frozen egg ommlettes every night that i dont cook something i can just give them that we are eating.

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On the additional protein component for LGRS Ed [Luckyglider] states the following:

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Originally posted by LuckyGlider
It would be kind of "boring" to just eat soup all the time. Gliders love to hold their food and run off with a piece of food to a favorite "safe place."

That said, the soup is nutritionally complete, but we advocate variety and a rotation of fruit and veggie relishes and some meats too.

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http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25960&whichpage=5

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The soup recipe was formulated to give them pretty much all they need. We always advise feeding a rotation of other foods but that is really for variety and to give them the "fun" of holding and eating solid foods.

The soup attempts to approximate the kinds of things they eat in the wild. That is sap, nectar, pollen and bugs. The honey is the placeholder for the sap and nectar. The pollen is just that so it is part of what they eat in the wild anyway. The fly pupae is bugs. Everything else is for mineral content and protein. The pollen, yogurt, egg, bugs, protein powder, etc. gets them the essential protein they need, but it does not hurt to give them animal proteins on the side or bugs on the side.

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http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45511

These statements were all made when the impression that LGRS Suggie Soup does not have enough protein without the meat component side was speculated in a thread. It is untrue that the Suggie Soup itself does not contain enough protein as the above statements by the creator show. It is not as if your gliders are losing something nutritionally if you do not serve the meat component on the side, such as the case with my veterinarian who felt the soup and veggies only was satisfactory but for enrichment sake I do offer these additional sides occasionally. If you have doubts, questions, comments, or concerns about what the feeding plan entails talk to the creator or consult your vet [who hopefully knows something about exotic nutrition, not all do.]

Do hope that helps

Hiya,

I was wondering if it was possible to substitute plain kefir for the yogurt or would that add too much fat? I make kefir at home with whole milk which ends up with 11 to 14 grams of protein per cup.

Thank you all for the wonderful information provided on this website!

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Hiya,

I was wondering if it was possible to substitute plain kefir for the yogurt or would that add too much fat? I make kefir at home with whole milk which ends up with 11 to 14 grams of protein per cup.

Thank you all for the wonderful information provided on this website!

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Buckys_Girl, yes I'd say that it will be ok so long as you do not prolong the fermentation time so much that you get more than an average amount of alcohol. Store-bought kefir and yogurt are made under controlled conditions to to keep the alcohol way below 1% - so if you are able to control that fine.

Regarding fat, both kefir and yogurt contain a lot of complex polysaccharides, but these are carbs, not fat. The fat derives from the type of milk you are using. Regardless, based on the amount of (and type) of yogurt we call for in the recipe, I don't anticipate much of a fat difference so long as you are using skinnier milks.

If your gliders get fat on this recipe, you can cut back on the honey. Although honey is not a "naked carb" like table sugar, it still can make gliders fat if they do not get a lot of exercise out of the cage or if they do not run on the wheel a lot. This recipe was developed for incoming rescues so it is a little on the fat side to begin with. You can cut back on the honey by half and replace that half with water if you need to.

Good luck!

So, in a similar question.... Would it be possible to use homemade yogurt from goat's milk? in general goat's milk is more digestible to animals and humans, I would think it would be better, but Of course I use whole milk, from our goats.

And also, what is the reasoning on using filtered, messed with honey? I go out of my way to buy local, raw honey from local farmers, I avoid the stuff at the grocery store and call it fake honey. Lol. Why is this the choice for gliders. Just need to understand the why as it really goes against my norm.

You might want to start a new thread for the yogurt question. It may get lost since it is on page 6 of a thread specifically about the LGRS Soup and feeding plan.

As for the honey, I use raw honey from a local apiary. I feel this is much fresher than ANY honey you would find in the grocery store.

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So, in a similar question.... Would it be possible to use homemade yogurt from goat's milk? in general goat's milk is more digestible to animals and humans, I would think it would be better, but Of course I use whole milk, from our goats.

And also, what is the reasoning on using filtered, messed with honey? I go out of my way to buy local, raw honey from local farmers, I avoid the stuff at the grocery store and call it fake honey. Lol. Why is this the choice for gliders. Just need to understand the why as it really goes against my norm.

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To answer your question yes of course, you can use homemade yogurt from goat's milk. One thing to consider though is goats very easily contract parasites and coccidia. The coccidia can be passed through the milk. I use coristat to fight off coccidia from time to time for my goat and sheep herd here at LGRS. The yogurt-making process is at such low heat that it might not kill the microbes. Just something to consider.

Regarding honey, we prefer filtered honey because it does not crystallize as quickly. If you want to use raw go ahead.

When I make yogurt I always do a quick pasteurization of my milk (up to 180 for 5 minutes then quickly cooled down) this should kill that shouldn't it? Cocci I have never seen in my adults fecals, more an issue with kids during wet springs. But, regardless, I think I would be killing that first. The only parasite we have had a problem with is barberpole worm, and I don't think there is any milk component there.

On honey, good, we use ours quickly enough that we rarely have a problem with crystallization. The recipie was so specific about it being filtered, etc, though, that I thought there was some other reason. Thanks for your quick answers!

I'm picking up my gliders on Monday. They are currently on the Priscilla Price diet, which I will keep them on for a while, but the LGRS intrigues me so I may look to switch them after they have settled in here.

Marsupial Madness sells the extra ingredients. That is where I purchased mine. Joni&MOLLEE sorry ingredients for suggie soup.

Hello :)

I adopt Milo about 1 month ago.
Now, his age is 3 month.
(of course I wany to adopt a sugar glider again for Milo :) )

I want try this recipe but I confused how to find the items of the recipe.
Because I live in Indonesia.
(and sorry if my english is not good enough :( )

Can I ask some question?
1. I see in YouTube, someone use a hard boiled egg not scramble egg. Is it ok?
2. About "Trader Darwin's Vanilla Flavored Soy", I can't find this item. :(
What's the replacement? In Indonesia, I just find a instant HPW powder.
3. About orange juice, what is "fortified with calcium and vitamin D" mean?
I think, I can't find this item in carefour near my home.
4. About Deyhdrated Fly Pupae, I already search in google where I can buy this product but I can't find it. Also, I'm afraid if I can find it, the type of the pupae is different. So, is there any solution about this?

I'm sorry. :(
It's so hard to find the ingredients in Indonesia. If I use HPW or BML, I also can't find the wombardoo powder :(

In Indonesia, many of us (mostly for newbie like me) use baby porridge to feed sugar glider. (www.indofood.com:8080/sun/page.aspx?id=63)
I'm afraid the product is contains to much fructose or contains onion powder.

Also many of us didn't know (or didn't care) about Ca:P ratio.

So after I read this forum, I want try to give a better life for Milo.

Thank you for all your response. :)

The LGRS Diet is probably going to be difficult for you to get the correct ingredients in order to make the recipe exactly as written.

Your BEST option is to purchase Bugsy's HPW Complete which is available in Indonesia. It is the exact same product as Critter Love Complete sold here in the US.

This product is mixed adding water only because it contains dried honey and powdered eggs in the powder. It can be made in a full batch and frozen in 1 TBS ice cubes (1 TBS per glider daily) or you can make small batches to be kept in the refrigerator for a few days.

This diet will provide the protein, vitamins and calcium your glider needs. You can feed a wide variety of fruits and vegetables with it to complete your gliders nightly feeding.