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Originally posted by bwetherell

My cage is much bigger than 20x20x20, and my gliders dont like sleeping in my pockets, they like their pouches better. & I'm certain there are people here with colonies who spend lots of time with their suggies. The point you're trying to make doesnt make sense when you yourself have ONE glider, and as catman said had gotten from a pet store only making the problem worse, because a new glider will now be in the position of the glider you took home. I believe a glider would be alot more happy out in the wild, but i think they are content being spoiled by suggie slaves.

This forum has helped me more than any other suggie site i can think of...the drama was high and i think we're all trying to steer clear of it & not make people feel "attacked" when they come here...of course there are things wrong with that video, but sitting here putting it into detail and talking "crap" about it isn't going to help the suggie, maybe a kind push towards this site? or some reliable suggie info towards the owner? We can only hope she'll take the information and use it...other than that there is not much else we can do.

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Very well put. All three of my gliders I got from people who didn't have time for them, and wanted them to go to good homes.

Yes, gliders are and may be abused in pet stores, but its better to report them than buy from them so they can restock.

Wow, look at that, an explanation of what the poster found wrong with the video. Sure took a lot of drama to get it.

The super cute back-flipping sugar glider in the unacceptably small enclosure is a fantastic example of a stereotypy which is a highly undesirable mental disorder for any animal and especially for a well cared-for pet. Many animals at any zoo will have this disorder.

I've taken in a few rescues that had this problem which disappeared once they were given a large cage, cage mates and additional mental stimulation. Sugar gliders are colony animals and they absolutely need that companionship, competition, fussing, bickering, grooming and everything else good and bad that comes with having cage mates.

Jaguar:
Why are you judging other people when you have your own to deal with?? I highly doubt you can stay with your pet 24/7. If you feel strongly that you should give up your glider to a rescue now, it will save you from being an unwilling pet owner.
I went to asian countries and saw the conditions gliders are in. It really depends on the owners themselves but I admit, some have a more laid back approach. IMO, Americans care more about their animals as a whole than other countries, but its not like they can be banned from keeping pets. It has more to do with culture.
its so commonplace there that a glider sells for 100 US at pet stores but the humidity is really ideal there.

I am happy to have learned something about that back flip.
When I first saw it I thought that maybe there was something wrong with my glider because I
have never seen her do that.
I feel really bad about only having one glider.
I know it is abusive to her, and there is nothing I can do to make up for it.
I am really leery about getting another because I am afraid they will not get along and then I will be stuck with 2 gliders in different cages. And, if that happens I cannot spend enough time with both of them, and I
would not like to give her away because it did not work out because I would worry that she might be worse off
than with me. Believe me, I have enough food, and a big cage, but I just do not have the time to invest
for quarentine, and 2 gliders in 2 different cages. I think about doing it all of the time, and I always come back to
what a nightmare it will be if it does not work out. And, I only have enough room in my bra for 1. 34A. ;)

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Originally posted by goldfish

Jaguar:
Why are you judging other people when you have your own to deal with?? I highly doubt you can stay with your pet 24/7. If you feel strongly that you should give up your glider to a rescue now, it will save you from being an unwilling pet owner.
I went to asian countries and saw the conditions gliders are in. It really depends on the owners themselves but I admit, some have a more laid back approach. IMO, Americans care more about their animals as a whole than other countries, but its not like they can be banned from keeping pets. It has more to do with culture.
its so commonplace there that a glider sells for 100 US at pet stores but the humidity is really ideal there.

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huh?
I am not judging ANYONE.
I am stating my opinion.
If it effects your opinion in some way that does not mean that I am judging YOU.
Do what you want, as so will I.
Did you know that when people read posts on a forum it is a proven fact that most skim thru and only read
and comprehend 60% of the information.
Maybe you should go back and read the 40% that I am sure you skimmed through.
Nobody is judging anyone, nor am I pointing fingers at anyone for abuse.
I am talking in a 'whole'. Not at you, about you, or anyone else in particular.
And seriously, you should not care what I think unless you think it pertains to you.

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Originally posted by jaguar

I am happy to have learned something about that back flip.
When I first saw it I thought that maybe there was something wrong with my glider because I
have never seen her do that.
I feel really bad about only having one glider.
I know it is abusive to her, and there is nothing I can do to make up for it.
I am really leery about getting another because I am afraid they will not get along and then I will be stuck with 2 gliders in different cages. And, if that happens I cannot spend enough time with both of them, and I
would not like to give her away because it did not work out because I would worry that she might be worse off
than with me. Believe me, I have enough food, and a big cage, but I just do not have the time to invest
for quarentine, and 2 gliders in 2 different cages. I think about doing it all of the time, and I always come back to
what a nightmare it will be if it does not work out. And, I only have enough room in my bra for 1. 34A. ;)

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So you KNOW you need another glider and you KNOW your glider won't thrive until you get one, but you're still not going to get one? And you have the nerve to condescend the rest of us? Okay.

dpatters- I was thinking the exact same thing...

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So you KNOW you need another glider and you KNOW your glider won't thrive until you get one, but you're still not going to get one? And you have the nerve to condescend the rest of us? Okay.

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I can't believe this. Really, and you're asking us to note this person, yet you are obviously the one to need to do more research..

but think about what "a nightmare" it is to your glider to not have another one around. www.sugarglider.com/gliderpedia/index.asp?IntroducingNewGliders read this it will help you with intros. is there a rescue around you or someone who is willing to sell you a glider and if it doesnt work out they can take it back and sell you a different glider or something like that. or just stop thinking and just do it you will never know till you try. life is full of nightmares but you cant let that stop you from improving the life around you. and if you have another glider if you cant play with your glider that night for some reason you dont have to feel bad because they have their friend right there.

agreed.

I did not skim, I read everything. You feel a sugar glider should not be kept as a pet. Yet you brought one and will keep it as a pet.
You feel it should live in a colony. Yours do not.
Yet you posted a video of a girl from ANOTHER country who seems to keep her pet in a tank, and you tell us to post to her about how she keeps her pet. She apparently fed olives to her pet, yet my opinion is it is a grape.

This is my opinion:
Both of you are the same. You don't have time for the glider. BTW: 34B, MS. Goldfish

omg you people are mean.
I put that post up for one reason and one reason ONLY. Not for
anyone to say..... that girl is a bad bad caretaker, but for maybe one of you to ALSO send her a note
stating the tank is unacceptable. Go back and read the first post.

i already sent her a nice message. just basically gave her this site since its not good to be pushy with this stuff.

ok, sorry for being mean, its just that I keep gliders as pets. But reread my post, "Americans generally care more about their animals" It is a cultural thing regarding animals, humans always comes first, and pets have masters. You would understand if you saw their stray dog population.

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Originally posted by goldfish

I did not skim, I read everything. You feel a sugar glider should not be kept as a pet. Yet you brought one and will keep it as a pet.
You feel it should live in a colony. Yours do not.
Yet you posted a video of a girl from ANOTHER country who seems to keep her pet in a tank, and you tell us to post to her about how she keeps her pet. She apparently fed olives to her pet, yet my opinion is it is a grape.

This is my opinion:
Both of you are the same. You don't have time for the glider. BTW: 34B, MS. Goldfish

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See you have room for 2 in there.
It is not unacceptable to keep one glider.
Yes, my glider would be better off with another, but it is still not unacceptable to keep one.
Her care of the glider is unacceptable. There is NO comparison between us. And this is not about me
or you, your glider, or mine.

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Originally posted by shadow

i already sent her a nice message. just basically gave her this site since its not good to be pushy with this stuff.

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ty.

gliders dont HAVE to be put in your bra you know. she lives in a different country not in america give the person a chance to learn. and while we are waiting to see if she is willing to learn why not try to improve your own glider's life there is always room for improvement.

I do not keep my gliders directly in my bra, I buy a sports tank a size bigger with cups so they are not near my skin. I used to have one glider but he started barking at night, and dazing off so I got a buddy.

Others here in USA will feel that having one glider is inhumane, and the same as torturing them since they are colony animals.
But lots of people overseas do keep one glider.

Okay. 2 things.

1) Keeping only one glider when you KNOW it is detrimental to it's health is cruel and UNACCEPTABLE.

2) Regardless of the size of your chest, your bras are still going to fit the same. Someone with a small chest and someone with a larger bust are still going to have the same amount of extra room in their bra. I can't believe this even needs to be stated.

Anyone even considering keeping a single glider please read the stories in this link. Keeping one glider is not acceptable. Just because a lot of people do it does not make it right, it makes them misguided. Please educate yourselves on the signs of depression.

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24522&SearchTerms=happy,and,healthy

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Originally posted by fadedrainbows

Okay. 2 things.

1) Keeping only one glider when you KNOW it is detrimental to it's health is cruel and UNACCEPTABLE.

2) Regardless of the size of your chest, your bras are still going to fit the same. Someone with a small chest and someone with a larger bust are still going to have the same amount of extra room in their bra. I can't believe this even needs to be stated.

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LOL. Lighten up. It was meant as a joke.
I have plenty of room for 2 in there as long as they are not scrapping. ;)
Thats the the thing about forums. Nobody knows when you are joking or not.

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Originally posted by fadedrainbows

Anyone even considering keeping a single glider please read the stories in this link. Keeping one glider is not acceptable. Just because a lot of people do it does not make it right, it makes them misguided. Please educate yourselves on the signs of depression.

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24522&SearchTerms=happy,and,healthy

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Hmm...... this is not about me, but thanks.

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Originally posted by shadow

gliders dont HAVE to be put in your bra you know. she lives in a different country not in america give the person a chance to learn. and while we are waiting to see if she is willing to learn why not try to improve your own glider's life there is always room for improvement.

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TY, I will take your advice but I am sure there is some room for improvement in your glider world as well.

Jaguar- you're right no one knows when you're joking or sarcastic because it is text. None of us are claiming to be perfect suggie owners, I know I'm sure as hell not but I'm attempting to learn all I can and to make my suggie's life better. That's why we're all here.

oh there is. i have a ton of things i need to improve they will be getting a bigger cage this month after i build it which will give me more room to spoil them with toys. im looking for ways to improve their lives everyday even staying up past midnight so they can play in my room and i can play with them. i made the decision to buy them so its my job to make sure they are as happy and spoiled as can be. animals are my life so im happy to do this.

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Originally posted by fadedrainbows

Anyone even considering keeping a single glider please read the stories in this link. Keeping one glider is not acceptable. Just because a lot of people do it does not make it right, it makes them misguided. Please educate yourselves on the signs of depression.

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24522&SearchTerms=happy,and,healthy

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Are you kidding me? You think that my care of my glider is any way comparable to this thread?
I am done here. How dare you even suggest a thing.

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Originally posted by fadedrainbows

Anyone even considering keeping a single glider please read the stories in this link. Keeping one glider is not acceptable. Just because a lot of people do it does not make it right, it makes them misguided. Please educate yourselves on the signs of depression.

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24522&SearchTerms=happy,and,healthy

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Are you kidding me? You think that my care of my glider is any way comparable to this thread?
I am done here. How dare you even suggest a thing.

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My oh my someone is sensitive. I aimed that link at anyone even considering keeping a single glider. Be aware that by keeping your glider alone, no matter how great the cage or accessories are, this is the most likely outcome. Be offended all you want. You are the one risking this.

jaguar- I feel like you've become emotional. Take a few hours, collect yourself and then come back. We'd love to be involved with helping you care for your glider.

i dont see your name anywhere in that post. remember this is a forum people come here to learn. that link will be helpful to anyone who reads this thread now or later on.