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Dec 22 2014
07:07:58 PM
Is there a list anywhere on this site of commonly used medicines for treating parasites? My vet, that is not very experienced with gliders, is prescribing ivermecdin for a round worm she saw in my new rescue's fecal. Is this med. ok?
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Dec 24 2014
05:50:35 AM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
Never mind. I got my answer from my mentor.
Seems like any time I have a question Candy is the only one who responds and Im sure she's busy and cant respond everytime in a timely manner. Not her fault. But I would think someone else, admin or anyone else with more experience than I, would. This is suppose to be a help and info site, I thought. Seems like if your not in "the click" you may never get the help you seek here. My question wasn't about pouches or something trivial, considering it was a medical question and had NO response in 2 days...well it's just sad. Sorry if this offends you...it should.
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Dec 24 2014
07:03:48 AM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2919 Posts
I wasn't aware there was a "click" here... I think what happens is we all have different amounts of experience so we answer the questions we feel confident and have enough knowledge or experience to answer. So perhaps no one knew the answer to your question so no one was able to answer.

The "trivial" questions are still very valid questions and for some of us easier to answer because we actually have experience with those questions.

We're not vets and some of us have never had the same medical issues with our gliders that are being asked about. Therefor we just don't know the answer and don't want to give bad advice or be responsible for something going wrong with your glider. That doesn't mean were not following the thread to try and learn, which brings me to my next point.

What is helpful to Everyone is...... if the person posting the question finds the answer off site would then post the information/answer here so we can also learn something from the post even if we couldn't offer any advice. Which you didn't do. Topic boards are for sharing information and passing along things we learn as we go. There are many threads I have never posted on, but I have learned from.

Someone else could have benefited from YOU posting the answer you found from an outside source.

To be quite honest I hardly ever see any admin posting in the threads. Besides Kazko (i think that's the owners name) I don't even know of any other admins because I don't see the threads being monitored by anyone. I'm only aware of the owners name because of a username change question that came up recently.

I do see the average glider owners with various amounts of experience posting. I also see different level of experienced people still learning new things. And how are we supposed to know if you have less experience than I do or someone else does?

Why should anyone be offended for not being qualified to answer a medical question?were not VETS.

So what was the answer to your question?



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Dec 24 2014
07:27:40 AM
sjusovare Face Hugger Visit sjusovare's Photo Album France 694 Posts
Hello,
I simply didn't reply because I don't have much knowledge on the topic and replying would just have polluted the thread with unsure answers, however what I found while digging the web is that, for sugar glider, invermectin is used against worms 1 time orally and another 14 days later.
However, I'm not a vet, so I don't want to take the responsibility for such infos in case someone would find the thread and decide to use the infos without consulting.
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Dec 24 2014
07:34:20 AM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
I understand and agree with some of what your saying, but I would of thought someone would of said something, like "looking into it" or " we are not vets", "hope you find your answer somewhere", "no, there's no common med. list". Anything would of been better than no response, so I feel like I'm not being ignored. Again, what's the point of this site? My mentor checked into this medication and said it was used on gliders. Hope that HELPS others.
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Dec 24 2014
07:38:15 AM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
Thank you,sjusovare. That is exactly how my vet is prescribing it. :) Too bad I felt ignored and ranted to get a response from someone though.
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Dec 24 2014
07:48:09 AM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2919 Posts
I can see your point too, no one should feel ignored when they're asking for help, sorry you felt that way. And I hope your glider is doing better!!
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Dec 24 2014
10:27:12 AM
Candy Cuddle Bear Visit Candy's Photo Album FL, USA 8110 Posts
I thought I had replied - but sometimes I type a reply and miss the send button for some reason. It was not a helpful answer because I am not a vet and have almost no experience with medicating gliders for specific problems. My reply was to call your vet and verify the instructions if you were not sure about it.

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But I would think someone else, admin or anyone else with more experience than I, would. This is suppose to be a help and info site, I thought. Seems like if your not in "the click" you may never get the help you seek here.


You are not alone thinking that this forum has someone available 24/7 to reply to questions. I have seen many questions followed in less than an hour by "why haven't you answered yet?"

I think many folks misunderstand the forum. This forum has no moderators and depends on individuals to reply to questions based on their own knowledge or experiences.

Traffic on ALL of the glider forums has dropped significantly since so many folks have moved on over to Facebook for their glider discussions. This in unfortunate. On Facebook the discussions are not organized by topics and old posts or discussions cannot be looked up by topic to see if the question has already been asked and answered. Face book allows posts to be deleted (if the owner does not like the answer even if it is a valid one) and TALK ABOUT CLICKS - if your replies do not meet the page owner's expectations you can just be "unfriended". The information you might need is also scattered all over the hundreds of glider facebook pages out there instead of a searchable forum.

I do try to respond to most questions because I am one of the last remaining owners on this forum that have had gliders for over 5 years. Cora is another long time owner that stops by to share her experience but I do not think she reads the forum daily. Kazko is the forum owner - he pays for the forum service and maintains the site but I am not sure he visits daily to reply to questions.

If you click on "Members" at the top of the forum you can see the number of posts for each member of the forum, when they last posted and when they joined the forum.

The forum depends on EVERYONE sharing information they have learned from their time as a glider parent. Too many folks only post when THEY have a question then disappear instead of staying around to help others.

If you need information quickly - use "SEARCH" at the top of the forum - you might have to try several key words but if your question has been previously answered, you can read the old posts an possibly find the information you are looking for.

You can also go to a member's profile by clicking on the user name - and look at all of that individual's past posts for information.

The forum is much more than just asking your question and waiting for someone that has an answer for you.



Edited by - Candy on Dec 24 2014 10:27:33 AM
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Dec 24 2014
10:58:12 AM
SouthWestSugarLover Starting Member 4 Posts
Sorry you felt neglected, I don't think that was anyone's intention. I think people help when they are able, but refrain from repeating things like "I don't know" because that can be equally frustrating to some. I don't use this board as often as GliderCentral (which has been down for a couple of days), so I totally missed you. I'm glad you were able to get in touch with Candy. Hopefully you can find a Glider network that satisfies you.
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Dec 31 2014
07:22:59 PM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
Thank you all for responding and helping me. I felt frustrated and in need of advise in a fairly quick time because it was a medical question. I guess I tend to panic when it comes to medical issues with my gliders. I am a glider owner for less than a year.
I too frequent a Face Book site that helps, but as you said, it has it's down falls too. Clicks, snobs and miss info. But I have met some very caring and experienced people on that site also.
Thanks again for responding and explaining.
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Jan 02 2015
01:30:37 AM
Ko Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Ko's Photo Album Australia 1168 Posts
It was Christmas eve when you asked and most likely people are doing family things.

Glider health is important but you should not be relying on the public to help you with something that could be wrongly answered and could cause further issues. Even a Vet without a great deal of glider knowledge should have more credence than someone on a forum who may/may not have the correct information but will still give you an answer ? What would have happened if people had replied to you and they had given you the wrong information??

If you are not comfortable with your vet's knowledge of gliders, maybe you should perhaps look for a vet that you do have some comfort with. You are going to need someone you trust in the future so best off finding that person now.
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Jan 02 2015
06:38:22 PM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
Ko- There are NO real glider experienced vets in my town, so my choices are none. And I am under the impression this was a info. and help site. And you didn't need to chime in, your only echoing what the other folks said.
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Jan 03 2015
02:33:15 AM
Ko Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Ko's Photo Album Australia 1168 Posts
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Originally posted by PeanutandSid

Ko- There are NO real glider experienced vets in my town, so my choices are none. And I am under the impression this was a info. and help site. And you didn't need to chime in, your only echoing what the other folks said.



You want replies,but don't want replies?? My chiming in was actually suggesting that it was Christmas eve and a good chance that most forumites would be doing family time and not sitting around waiting to reply to posts. I didn't see anyone else mentioning that so I did as it is a very feasible explanation. However, taking advice from non professionals at any time on medical conditions should not be taken seriously without consulting professionals.

As for choices, if you do not have any vet suitable, then your choice could be not to take in rescues until you can get a suitable vet. Rescuers really rely on having a vet they can trust as these animals often have issues that regular pets don't. I might sound a little abrupt but at the end of the day, it's ALL about the welfare of the animal and animals deserve to get the best treatment possible. If you have a vet who doesn't have a lot of experience, engage them and encourage them to learn more as at the end of the day, it's your gliders (and most likely others) that will benefit. I have been a wildlife rescuer here in Australia and have taken a lot of courses on wildlife care and management, including medications and dosages etc for a range of wildlife including sugar gliders However, we are always told not to publish this information for the very reason, what might work for one animal, may be a death sentence for another and that it is always very important to consult with a Vet.
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Jan 03 2015
05:08:58 AM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2919 Posts

Niceville Animal Clinic
509 E. John Sims Pkwy
Niceville, FL 32578 phone850-678-2002


Dr. Steve Davis specializes in sugar gliders... he is only in office on Tuesdays and Thursdays, unless called for emergency... Be sure to request Dr. Steve Davis...Free in house financing....reasonable prices... orthopedic surgery, ultrasound, in house lab work, endoscopy, exotics, internal medicine... boarding, grooming & pet adoption


This place is only an hour away. jus sayin.
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Jan 03 2015
05:33:36 AM
Ko Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Ko's Photo Album Australia 1168 Posts
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Originally posted by Leela


Niceville Animal Clinic
509 E. John Sims Pkwy
Niceville, FL 32578 phone850-678-2002


Dr. Steve Davis specializes in sugar gliders... he is only in office on Tuesdays and Thursdays, unless called for emergency... Be sure to request Dr. Steve Davis...Free in house financing....reasonable prices... orthopedic surgery, ultrasound, in house lab work, endoscopy, exotics, internal medicine... boarding, grooming & pet adoption


This place is only an hour away. jus sayin.



Thanks Leela for looking it up for her. A great place to start.
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Jan 03 2015
10:22:27 AM
Leela Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit Leela's Photo Album Leela's Journal 2919 Posts
No problem took me about 5 minutes to find it. It was 2 o'clock this morning so I didn't call to see if that office is still open, the OP could call herself though the number is posted.
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Jan 03 2015
04:04:09 PM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
Thank you Leela. I will look into that. I appreciate you finding that.
Ko, I don't,as a habit, take in rescues. I have two standard greys and didn't plan to get anymore but a person that was neglecting her glider gave the glider to me, knowing I would give it a much better home than she was doing. And I have. She came to me weighing 50 grams at about 10 months old and a horrible yellow-brown stained coat and parasite ridden. Her face was so skinny she looked like a sick mouse! Diet of only apples, no pouch, no toys, no wheel and in a plastic hamster tube cage. Since owning her for three months, she know weighs 90 grams, is getting a normal grey and white color and no longer lunges and attacks me. So if I sound proud, I am. But I am not a rescuer per say. I would gladly save another if need be.
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Jan 03 2015
06:55:12 PM
Kferg Face Hugger Visit Kferg's Photo Album 624 Posts
Hey there.
I didn't look at this post until today. Just wanted to let you know that I try not to look at posts about sick gliders because I really don't know how to help and it makes me so sad for the gliders and owners. It bothers me so much that if I read them I have nightmares about my own gliders. But, every now and then I break my own rule, like now. I was curious because the thread kept coming up.
Anyway, I hope your glider is okay, and I'm sorry that you were extremely worried. I do think your intention to offend the folks here on the forum was uncalled for, but I will take it with a grain of salt. Best wishes.
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Jan 04 2015
07:00:46 AM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
Yes, I was upset and just wanted a second opinion on that particular medication. As was brought up, I would never just rely on anyone for medical advice, but just wanted to know if there was a common parasite medication list. I thought I saw a list of commonly used drugs for UTI's and parasites on here once, but couldn't find it.
My glider gets her second and final does this Wed. and then a fecal recheck 2 weeks after that. Fingers crossed its all clear, she's lonely and I'm going to try to intro her to my other 2 girls.
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Jan 04 2015
09:48:47 AM
Candy Cuddle Bear Visit Candy's Photo Album FL, USA 8110 Posts
If you are feeding a staple diet that contains Bee Pollen - you may want to prepare a small batch without the bee pollen for a few days before the repeat fecal testing.

My Vet asked me to do this, not because she cannot tell the difference between the round pollen bits in the pooh, but because having lots of pollen makes it difficult to make sure there are no parasite cysts in the pooh that might be missed.

Parasite cysts look much like bee pollen in the glider fecal samples and if there are just a few, they could be missed in a larger amount of bee pollen.

There have also been cases where gliders were mis-diagnosed as having parasites when an inexperienced vet does mistake bee pollen for cysts. Most pets do not have bee pollen in their fecal matter so a vet may not be familiar with it.

Always let your vet know if your glider is on a diet containing bee pollen when fecals are done.


Edited by - Candy on Jan 04 2015 09:50:33 AM
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Jan 04 2015
09:55:35 AM
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Originally posted by Candy

If you are feeding a staple diet that contains Bee Pollen - you may want to prepare a small batch without the bee pollen for a few days before the repeat fecal testing.

My Vet asked me to do this, not because she cannot tell the difference between the round pollen bits in the pooh, but because having lots of pollen makes it difficult to make sure there are no parasite cysts in the pooh that might be missed.

Parasite cysts look much like bee pollen in the glider fecal samples and if there are just a few, they could be missed in a larger amount of bee pollen.

There have also been cases where gliders were mis-diagnosed as having parasites when an inexperienced vet does mistake bee pollen for cysts. Most pets do not have bee pollen in their fecal matter so a vet may not be familiar with it.

Always let your vet know if your glider is on a diet containing bee pollen when fecals are done.





That's really good to know.
This is what this forum is all about! Thanks Candy
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Jan 05 2015
02:51:05 PM
PeanutandSid Glider Visit PeanutandSid's Photo Album 56 Posts
Thank you Candy. I remember you saying this before, so when I took the last fecal sample in I told the Dr. about my gliders staple having bee pollen granules in it. Later the Dr.'s tech came out to the lobby to tell me they need more time to really research and study the results. The next day I went back and the Dr. showed me a picture of the actual poop smear that she took and sure enough there where round looking things that she said she thought where pollen and it also showed one round cell looking thing that was very different from the other roundish things. She said she thought that one was a parasite. Even though it one showed only one of these, she prescribed a parasite medicine. I was so glad I was able to give her the bee pollen alert as I had heard about from you. Thank you :)
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