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LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts     TX, USA 5266 Posts quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
Female gliders cannot be spayed
Wrong. Dr. Kolmstetter, Exotic Specialist at Cheyenne West Animal Hospital in Las Vegas does it. Her rates for glider neutering: $96 male neuter $128 female neuter $53 office visit ladysiren8 Super Glider 271 Posts Ok I think the most important thing here is to understand what genetic mutation is: A Mutation occurs when a DNA gene is damaged or changed in such a way as to alter the genetic message carried by that gene.Once the gene has been damaged or changed the mRNA transcribed from that gene will now carry an altered message. This is what this means, by breeding any animal with mutated genes is unsafe no matter what care you have given, or research you have done. You would have to be an unethical breeder to promote a mutation on "your" breeding lines. Society is based on competition, and envy. People do not understand what mutated genes mean, by allowing them to breed is unethical as you are not producing healthy joeys in anyway shape or form, no matter how long you have done it or what precautions you claim to take. Personally I think they are beautiful and as soon as that crosses my mind I keep in mind, that this poor creature is a fluke and sense society, bases envy off oddity they are in demand and the poor creature will be selectivly mated to another poor little creature to obtain the desired mutation. First thing to ask yourself is one, why are they called mutated genes...because it is an abnormality. Second why would you want to allow creatures to breed who more than likely will have health problems? Money could be the only answer.... For the anonymous breeders who like to post, heres my challenge to you: If you are not breeding for profit and are only breeding for "healthy gliders" Then you will have no problem donating this money to rescues to help save their lives? Sad reality, healthy gliders are homeless, because to many are bred, but they cannot have homes, while these mutants will get a home because of their oddity status, and they will more than likely not have a healthy life but the healthy ones can die, because they are pure. Any research or any animal knowledge tells you the simplicity in this. In the wild when these flukes come out they rarely make it to adulthood due to they lack of camouflauge. Sounds rather simple to me, but we must defend the moey making purposes right? gliderdreams Starting Member 4 Posts When I started looking around for a glider companion I laughed at some of these prices. a soul is a soul. I may not be aryan, I may not have the gorgeous skin color or interesting features of africans, hawaiians, or asians... But i do have the same heart and mental capacity as them if not more. Inbreeding aside, paying extra for a certain "rare" color is just depressingly materialistic. What exactly do you really want from this creature, a beauty contest prize? Or are you craving self-assurance? Because if thats the case the glider is not a good substitute for therapy. Every creature is amazing in its own way, and I'll be the one looking for the glider that needs a good home, not its own cage mirror. 0_^ newbie Glider USA 72 Posts Ladysiren8, I'm sorry to tell you but you are completely off base in saying all mutations are bad. Mutations are the function of Darwinism, and without them neither you nor I would exist. Also, various mutations can exist within a species and not be harmful or give any advantages/disadvantages. This is where you get eye and hair color. Some of these animals are perfectly healthy and live just as long as normal gray gliders. While I am not saying I would pay for them, I wouldn't, but they are not the damaged creatures you claim they are. Many are just like any other glider with the only difference being that of color. Gliderdreamz, you are so right on the mark. This is perfect evidence of just how materially obsessed our culture is, and it's not right. A soul is a soul- perfect description! newbie Glider USA 72 Posts quote:
Originally posted by LuckyGlider
newbie, I assume in your reference to Darwinism you mean the concept of natural selection which is arguably one of the chief tenants in his "Origin of the Species." It is my firm recollection that Darwin suggests that combination of chance *and* a "fitness bias" (survival of the fittest) is the basis for that tentant. The problem with your ascertion is that you would have us believe that Darwin contemplated outright MANIPULATION of genes in his famous argument. So I am also suggesting that Darwinism is not a good argument when contrasted with the manipulation of forced inbreeding. That is not natural selection because the chance largely taken out of it and is therefore not natural at all.
But yes, mutations do occur, by chance, and over time. And that *is* part of Darwinism and part of life.
Yes, a lot of them *are* damaged creatures as was sadly admitted to me by breeders and pet store owners as I shared with you all in my post a few days ago. Many of them are born sterile, have enlarged organs and nervous disorders. You can't always *see* those things until it is too late. But worse than that the ones you do see belie the sad creatures that you won't see - the ones on the way to the desired color (the collateral damage).
I agree with you on the material obsession thing which is along the lines of the "cool factor / fad" I ascert at the very beginning of this thread (one of the three reasons).
Lucky, I am merely trying to stop misinformation from being spread. I NEVER made any claim whatsoever about the exploitations of these mutations (manipulation as you call it). I just thought I'd point out that the assertion that ALL mutations are bad is completely not sound as an argument. Technically, mutation is needed in every species. I will readily agree that the vast majority of mutations are maladaptive- that is why those animals would not survive in the wild, hence natural selection. I simply want to point out that not ALL of the colored gliders are monsters. Not EVERY single colored glider has been born sterile, with enlarged organs or a nervous disorder. I don't think it's a good idea to generalize, which is why I keep posting here that we must distinguish between gliders with color obtained from poor breeding practices from gliders with color that occurred naturally through ethical breeding practices. Just so everyone is clear, I am NOT defending breeding unhealthy animals just because the color they have is desirable. I am not defending inbreeding. And I am CERTAINLY not defending in any way shape or form "collateral damage".newbie Glider USA 72 Posts Lucky- Thanks. And I think it's great how much activity there is on this post. " Mutattion and evolution are two differnt things what you are speaking of is evolution not mutation. Evolution is a gradual change in genes which is where we get our hair eye and skin colors mutated genes are apparent in one specific specimen that can pass it on in breeding. Two different things and yes I am working on the proof:)" To clarify: mutation is the mechanism by which evolution works. Yes I am sure about this. I am taking a Darwinism course right now in college, and while beneficial mutations are frequently slight, eg the gradual change over time, they are still called mutations. A mutation can be anything from a change in color to the drastic change in size of an existing organ. Many mutations are so minute we will never know about them unless we master genetic code to a much greater degree than we currently have. Yes, natural selection is generally a gradual process that occurs over time, and yes, mutations can be very slight even unnoticeable, but they are still the mechanism by which Darwinism functions. If youcheck out this article, you will see that mutation is the way in which variation occurs, which allows selection to take place: Error, missing URL.
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