No, the stars are based on how many posts you've made

johngault007, if that Dr. is "researching" mills and ways to slowly kill little animals, then your right , , , about something. You know FIRST HAND how shi&%* PPP is and how they work,you've dealt with them 2 times and getting ready for the 3rd time. If you are that naive to think that a vet that supports them is any better, go to that vet and keep the vicious cycle going.

HAHAAHAH he is the president of ASGV so he gave himself the certification, it all makes sense now.

What certification should I give myself today, hmmmmm

@ Scott.

Sorry, it's JMO that would much prefer to have a vet that is fueled by their love of animals not money.

hehe..... Wonderful! Well, I am going to give myself a certification in.. EVERYTHING. Because, apparently, that's all it takes. :)

Look at that - I am now an expert.

I am shaking my head in disbelief that someone who purchased a glider from PPP and then had that glider die almost immediately after taking it home - would even consider putting another penny, let alone a glider's life - in the hands of a vet that promotes mill breeders.

Good Grief!! Catman... get over yourself. You don't know it all, and you are not perfect.
I am mad!
I have seen Dr Brust and how excited he gets about suggies. I don't feel that he is in it for money.
Why can't we just stay on the question of the thread instead of constantly blasting this man? Putting information about ASGV is one thing, but constantly blasting a vet doesn't answer the questions. I get personal messages from people that are afraid to post anything on this site because of the way that people beat on people here.
It's sad.
If you have a problem with something like "oh, take the sugar bear home and it will bond with your other pets immediately" ... don't blast them, put proof and actual information and references so that we can look things up and LEARN, which is what I thought this site was about. I have learned so much from people here, but the constant meanness and blasting of people is just not right..

You may not feel he is in it for the money but aren't you the one that said PPP funds some of his research? My apologies if that wasn't you as I admit I haven't gone back to the old posts to look and see.

Wintersong, you don't seem to get it...
I am saying to spread the word... Tell people what it IS that is wrong and WHY and where you get your information from... Not just say "oh thats bad"... Don't just blast something cuz u don't like it. Why should I listen to you? What makes your information right? What information is Dr Brust "spreading" that is so wrong? Why is it wrong? Where do you get the information that it is wrong? Is it your experience or just your opinion?
If you have the information then by all means post it... but just blasting people is wrong... Just because Dr Brust is associated with P3, I understand people don't like him, but why are you blasting him when you have never met him, or even talked to him. Just because you don't wanna talk to him because he is associated with P3, thats fine.. but opinions are like *you know what's* and this site seems to have a lot of both..... and it's sad that people like you are running off suggie owners looking for information because they are afraid of asking questions...

What is false? Why is it false? Can you show proof that it is wrong? Where have you done your research, Glider University? lol ... like I said.. SHOW ME THE PROOF... that is all I am asking for...

nurseotter talk to people in Australia who rescue their native wildlife and work with their Zoos. They even think that guys is a joke.

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FACT: ** BEWARE ** No legitimate Sugar Glider "rescues" exist anywehere in the U.S.. Sugar Glider "rescues" are simply an old internet scam perpetrated by persons who are actually trying to sell animals they have usually bred themselves (often illegally and against Federal Law). They often play on the well-meaning emotions of others with phrases like "Think Rescue/Adoption First" - and sometimes even have the nerve to ask for donations to help fund their cause. Check with your local animal shelter - and you'll see that most have never seen a single Sugar Glider come through their doors.

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Here is one of their "FACTS" and it is an outright LIE!!! A COMPLETE LIE!!!!! I have paper work to prove it!

...do the lies ever end? It seems not..

Well Well Well... Its about time... All you do is slam... But maybe there is intelligence in that brain of yours...
Telling the problem is better than just saying "don't listen to him"... hmmm maybe I should do that about you... tell everyone that you are an idiot and don't listen to you... should they just believe that or should i show proof? get my drift? Not very many people would say what the lies were and why they were lies...
And how do you know that there aren't people out there that call them sugar bears or honey gliders? What's the big deal? I call them suggies... so what? You may not call them suggies or babies or gliders, but I do, and maybe others do... But to not like him because of what he calls them? come on.. kinda petty...
Now, I personally wouldn't want just one glider because of the research I have done... but you show no research, no proof of why the suggies shouldn't be alone... show me the proof and research or testimony, don't just say you don't like it!!
AND Idon't believe that he should just spout out (like P3) that you can just bond a suggie and another animal... but it has obviously been done... But this time you at least told me WHY I shouldn't try to bond my dog with my suggie... Get my drift yet?
I am just trying to make a point here... I can go on and on and tell everyone that you are an idiot because I don't like you and blah blah blah... but do I have a reason? Can I tell people WHY?
No, I don't think you are an idiot... but I do think you may be a little close minded... because by the way you write, your opinion is like gold and everyone should accept it for what it's worth.
If you wanna help the new people on here, don't keep slamming... give them proof, examples, explainations.... and ENCOURAGEMENT...
I happen to like Dr Brust, and like I said in my posts before, I may not believe in everything he said. But, like a good parent, I do research and try and find out what I need to know, I don't just take it for granted what ONE person says or their opinion...
(and online forums bad? well, wouldn't you tell people that if you were constantly slammed? not just Dr Brust, but others who have been burned by the people who are "just in it for the sugar gliders"...)
(and.. why would you make a "pellet" that tasts bad but only had the good stuff in it? wouldn't you make it palatable for your babies? don't you?)
Audra

By the way... I DO NOT think you are an idiot... I think you have a lot of knowledge to share... but I am upset at the way people go about it... so just to make sure... YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT and I just want people to know that!! I am just using you as an example!!! :)
Audra

He is TOTALLY a PPP Rep and in it for the money!!! NOT research, MONEY. You are either working for them too or to ignorant to see the connection.Oh wait, you yourself said that they pay him .

"Lie 1: He states that sugar gliders are commonly known as sugar bears and honey gliders. NOT TRUE."

It is true...in the PPP community.

I said that they funded some of the research he was doing. AND I will state again... He really seems to love sugar gliders, and I don't think he is doing it for the money....
AND AND like I said... wouldn't you want to make something palatable? would you eat something that tasted absolutely horrible but was good for you? I think not. I don't give it to my gliders because it smells HORRIBLE to me, so I think it would be horrible to them. In one of my other posts I posted every ingredient in the chow.. but after a lil RESEARCH (!) some of the ingredients I didn't like, and I have tasted it and it wasn't all that bad, just really hard and crunchy and I didn't like that either.
But at least I am telling you WHY I don't like it, instead of just saying "well it has sucrose so I'm not giving it to them".. but if you look at some of the ingredients on some of the things that you DO feed your glider, you prolly wouldn't like those either!!!
I think this is a great discussion don't you??? I think we are really getting some good exchange of information!!
Audra

Actually I look at the ingredients of all the foods that I feed my gliders. And they don't eat anything I wouldn't put in my own body. They get nothing but fresh foods, and frozen veggies. So the last time I checked I wasn't injecting or putting any unnecessary sugars and fillers in their food.

So I think it's a very ignorant statement to say that if we looked at the ingredients we wouldn't like them, I think I can vouch for all the long-term and as well as the educated new owners that we do look at the ingredients.

This has turned into a ridiculous thread, while you spout off your reasons why this man is such a great vet in your opinion. Because all you are doing is proving to everyone that you are a very stubborn, and uneducated person about mill breeders, and probably sugar gliders in general.

How long have you known Dr.B?

Audra, its obvious from all your previous posts that you know everything there is to know about sugar gliders and have the BEST mill endorsed Vet around, I guess we should be coming to you for advice.

Audra, read your own comment in this thread: www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25821 . Now I know you did not say which breeder it was, and unfortunately, there are several mill breeders in the country; however, they all use the same kind of tactics to impulse-sell gliders to those who are uneducated and unprepared for what they're getting into. In my opinion, a vet who truly cares about his charges would not be supported by a company with those practices. His principles wouldn't allow it. Also, a vet who keeps his glider on his person when examining other animals is not practicing safe medicine. I don't know the doctor, but I would have a hard time trusting one who does that. You mentioned his exam of your glider, what about a visit from a dog or cat, or a ferret? That alone would set off alarm bells in my head.

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Putting information about ASGV is one thing, but constantly blasting a vet doesn't answer the questions. I get personal messages from people that are afraid to post anything on this site because of the way that people beat on people here.
It's sad.

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Sadly most of the information ASGV has available is from PPP and for "licensed vets" only and no help to the public. The crap organization has a president who is supported by and a walking commercial for .... we know who. ASGV is Dr.B!!!

I seriously doubt you have gotten any PM's from anyone on here, we have the anonymous option for those who want to use it.

OK Audra you want proof, here's your proof. This is from Humane Society of the Pikes Peak Region (http://www.hsppr.org/Page.aspx?pid=287 ) Feel free to call them if you think its fake. I had even more paper work on more sugar gliders, but it was sent to the so-called non-existent, USDA licensed, non-profit sugar glider rescue(www.sugarglider.com/). He is sorta right about animal shelters not having sugar gliders simply because they are exotic animals and most shelters don't deal with or are equipped to handle exotic or wild animals, they handle domestics animals. That being said, Dr. Brust is lying in his video,FLAT OUT LYING!!!!! (wow that guy can swallow hard!,seems guilty)

My thoughts are - Audra protests to much. Usually that means something. Audra - you came here and immediately started talking about PPP in a manner that made me think you approve of what they do. Are you associated with them in anyway? We all know how they put their "plants" on the forums as we have seen it before.

I have nothing left to say to you about this. You will NEVER change our minds...

So yet again, you don't get it. I don't endorse P3. As you will read in my other posts, I don't like them.
What makes me mad, is that most of you were protesting Dr Brust from the get go. Not once did you prove WHY you didn't like him except for his association with P3. No explainations what so ever. All I ever saw wash "He lies"... my point is this... why don't you tell us what he is lying about? And show proof why he is lying.
And no, I don't know everything about sugar gliders, and I don't say that I do... but some of you post opinions on here that imply that you think you do know it all.. I have asked questions on previous posts that I just want reasonable answers for...
And comments like you have made make people not want to be here. AND yes, I have gotten posts from people making comments about "blasting" and afraid to ask questions...
I have stated in previous posts that I like Dr Brust, but I don't agree with everything he says. I have done my own research, and have come to some of my own conclusions, and have tried things suggested here and suggested by Dr Brust but in the end, I have gone with what seems to be the best for my babies.
And PROTEST? I am asking questions and want an answers with proof/explainations... so that is protesting too much? I have never said that what P3 says is true, I have just asked questions that I am hoping someone can answer..

Okay so I just joined in on reading this, and got about halfway through it when I just wanted to pound my head against the wall. Audra I am not sorry to say this, because this is something that the general public is often unaware of and easily swayed, but just because someone says it is scientific research and has data to back it up (as is the case of PPP and that Veterinarian) does not mean that it is legit. I am a biologist, and I know how to look at tests and research and see if it is legit or not. The unscientific minds simply trust when something says 'scientific research' or 'backed by data'. The truth is, it is very easy to sway the data sets in your favor if you want a result and don't care about scientific integrity. The truth is it is so easy to turn a graph which normally shows no discrepencies into something that appears on the surface to be a major difference by simply changing the values of the axis, and the common person would not care to check that. I do not feel that any of the research that Dr. Bust or PPP has done has scientific merit or would hold up under any kind of scrutiny. I am an evolutionary biologist and a majority of what they preach is against everything these creatures have naturally evolved for.

filly47, all I am asking for is rational explainations why things are wrong. Just because you say you are a biologist am I supposed to take what you say as fact? I am just asking for rationals and explainations about why... In any situation, not just with Dr Brust and P3. Yes, as you say the truch is easy to turn. I never said I go by everything that he says is right, as well as P3. I JUST WANT EXPLAINATIONS AND RATIONALS... THATS ALL... I am not defending them or saying they are right...
Audra

Audra, I did just post proof are you blind to reality?Your Dr. claims that there are NO legit rescues in the US and that sugar gliders don't end up at shelters, I just posted the intake forms from a shelter proving he is a lier. Do i need to post his youtube video too?OK here it is http://www.youtube.com/user/sugarglidervet#p/u/12/kjAd_SCnYW4
If i were Jamie, I would be in contact with my lawyer and close that bastard down!!!! In a heart beat!!

Audra you are an idiot or one of them!

All I think Audra is trying to say is that if you're going to make accusatory statements, to back it up with the proof. I'm not taking sides here but do see what she's getting at. I do want to say though, that his association with PPP IS good enough reason for people to speak negatively about him...especially people like Catman that gets the calls to go and get the "throwaways" at the Humane Society.