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Originally posted by Catman
LOL good videos.
I would have called out Dr.B himself, by name, on video and shown the direct link between ASGV and the mill. That information alone says it all!! Evil Bastards!!!
I'm curious if they are breaking the law with those videos and all the "fair practices" they practice. Ed do you have a good lawyer? I don't know how they would defend them selfs when its all on video.
Catman, I despise the people who exploit animals and who use inhumane practices. But if you'll notice, I am going out of my way to use examples and observations from the rescue to debunk what they are saying. I am not trying to be slanderous. I think if everyone is careful in this regard it will be easier for everyone to speak their mind.
Regarding ANY vet who parrots the sentiment of mill breeders, I say "shame on you." It is a very sad thing to take decent credentials and then corrupt them by selling out to the "dark side" and propagating their misleading lies.
For example, I try to say things like:
I do not agree with the practice of X because it hurts gliders or leads to their abandonment
or
Consider the motivation in saying X because it is misleading...
or
It is not humane to say X because we have proof it causes Y
or
We do not like what they do when they say X because it is not the full story and causes people to make a bad decision
There is nothing slanderous in these words. These are my opinions based on our careful observations.
Regarding the silly and transparent web and fictitious name registrations done by mill breeders,
take a look at the comments on one of the videos from "sweetness7969" and my replies….
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzb04tn2vfQ
Would love for all of you to go there and add your own comments please
Here is what I say after she called me a "PETA conspiracy theorist"
My response:
"Oh Yeah? Docs from the Fla Dept of State - Div. of Corporations clearly show a submittal and withdrawals of the fictitious name registration of Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians. Docs clearly show the name, title + signature of a well-known sugar glider mill breeder. ASGV appears again in web domain registries as being applied for by "Domains By Proxy" which is how pornographers and other undesirables attempt hide their identity when applying for domain names. Conspiracy? Huh!" So as you can see I do reveal a little about what is going on behind the scenes but I don't use any names and I simply refer to public records.
In fact, I have the downloaded documents from the state of FLA as anyone can.
Interestingly, the documents show a telling timeline and I think you can all go there and check it out yourself (search the database for the Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians as a fictitious name registration).
Anyway, the first registration was made by a company which is the holding company for a mill breeder. I think you can figure out who it is.
Some time later, one of the owners of that same company submits paperwork saying the first registration was fraudulent (yeah like someone thought up the name of that org and tagged it to them all by themselves - right) and withdrew it.
Then, all of the sudden, the domain registration happens under the shadowy cloak of the dirtball-hiding "domains by proxy" scam. Only low-lifes who want to hide their identity use proxy services when registering domains. Why would the good doctor himself have hid HIS name if in fact HE were the one to apply for that domain name? Huh? Well, the answer is if he were the one to have created it he would have had no motivation to skulk behind the facade of the dirt-ball-hiding "Domains by Proxy."
Who in fact would be motivated to hide their name? Well, the ones perhaps who denied they were the ones to have filed for the fictitious name in the first place? Maybe?
Hmm, sounds like similar practices as with the original FAKE .org sites that all cross link back to a mill breeder page and have text where the wording and syntax is exactly the same...
Hmm, sound like similar practices as with the FAKE so-called product review site that lavishes strong praise a mill breeder but says bad stuff about GG and a legit non-profit rescue. Yes, the same site that gives you fake "due to internet spam" rationale for not allowing you to leave your own product reviews.
It's all very transparent, seamy, stuff. Too bad these obvious, fake tactics dupe so many people.
Mill Breeders and criminals seem to share certain characteristics. Based on these observations it not too much of a stretch of the imagination to conclude they both lie and mislead and scam a lot. And they both assume that EVERYONE is stupid and they are so sly and smart. Do you get that impression?
Please go to LuckyGliderRescue at YouTube to weigh in with your comments on the debunking series