I think your questions aren't simple, Kinue. They were not asked in a "simple" way. They were asked in a way that indicates you are digging for trouble and trying to stir some up.

I'm "something else"? You make me laugh!

You posted with accusations and pointing fingers, and then exclaim that Lori is being defensive! She - like you - is not an idiot. I think anyone reading your posts would know it is time to go on the defensive!

Since the "simple questions" are framed as attacks, and then you post that you "don't care" then why would anyone answer your questions? Even if you did really care - why would anyone feel the need to answer hostile questions from someone who only posts "when they have something to say" ie: digging for trouble.

I have absolutely nothing invested in Lori's joey one way or another. But I really get upset when I see bullies sniffing around trying to chum the waters for another shark feeding frenzy.

Why don't you stop being coy and post what's really on your mind, Kinue?

Precious little ones! Congrats

Alden - Simply put the questions are questions. I didn't call any names or "look for trouble" by asking them. They are honest questions any breeder should have no problems answering easily about gliders in their breeding program. His color intrigued me, he's beautiful, and when I saw he was leu/plat het and Lori is in FL I thought I would ask.

But since no one was online at the time to respond I also noticed she had a website and lineage links posts so I went and had a look myself to see what plat lines she was working with.

None of that has anything to do with stirring things or starting trouble. What I found would make any breeders heart skip a beat and any DECENT breeder would have said the same thing about those lines. All you gave was a fathers name. All Lori did was say it wasn't the glider in the database. None of that clears up whom this joey's belongs to or their lineage. When people start freaking out over simple concepts it makes you scratch your head and wonder why.

Its not pointing fingers and accusations when the lineage on those rescue/breeder gliders is indeed messed up. Its not pointing fingers or making accusations when one follows a link posted on a breeders site to a lineage that is bogus. If you read into what I was asking, which I wouldn't put it by you, then you are wrong. There is no colorful language just simply pointing out facts.

Asking who the parents of a joey is not a framed attack. Going from the information provided to the public is not a framed attack either. Sheesh Alden you sure do have a wild imagination. Not everyone is out to get you or Lori. I said I didn't care what she did with the gliders she purchased, its her reputation - not mine. I DO care about responsible breeding. I said as much as well. As a breeder you should too.

Again I'll ask whats on my mind since you just didn't pick it up from the last several times I've asked -

Who is the parents/grand parents if you can't look up one of the gliders in the database of THIS joey.

And Who bred Alixus?

My questions haven't changed one bit, and neither have any motive.

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<br />I think your questions aren't simple, Kinue. They were not asked in a "simple" way. They were asked in a way that indicates you are digging for trouble and trying to stir some up.

I'm "something else"? You make me laugh!

You posted with accusations and pointing fingers, and then exclaim that Lori is being defensive! She - like you - is not an idiot. I think anyone reading your posts would know it is time to go on the defensive!

Since the "simple questions" are framed as attacks, and then you post that you "don't care" then why would anyone answer your questions? Even if you did really care - why would anyone feel the need to answer hostile questions from someone who only posts "when they have something to say" ie: digging for trouble.

I have absolutely nothing invested in Lori's joey one way or another. But I really get upset when I see bullies sniffing around trying to chum the waters for another shark feeding frenzy.

Why don't you stop being coy and post what's really on your mind, Kinue?
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And Alden, I dont think I've been called/accused of that many things by anyone in one post or in person my entire life. If you think the people who only post every once in a while do so to start crap you must have been on the receiving end of alot of it I guess. Cause I sure has heck dont do that. Nor did I post anything of the nastiness you just did about you or Lori.

If you have no horse in this race why are you posting and not just letting Lori answer the freakin questions? Really is it that terrible of a thing to ask freakin questions? If everything is on the up and up why would there be any problem with providing lineage on breeding gliders? I've inquired about joey's of yours and you've had no problem offering up lineage on your breeding gliders. Whats the issue here?

Kinue- you DID come out swinging and I know why. I know why you even have any interest in the lineage is because of Allie. Now...if you had read my post you would see that I said that Allie and the other couple of gliders were listed under OlsEn (my glider) when they should have been listed under OlsOn...who is NOT yet in the database. MY glider...OlsEn has never been paired with Mary Kate. That was OlsOn and Mary Kate was pregnant by him when I got them. Mary Kate and Alixus are sisters(from different litters)...one purchased from her previous owner down here in FL and Mary Kate purchased with the rescues.
Alixus was rehomed last month because she wouldn't accept any of the gliders that I have right now and I couldn't take the time with all the new ones to keep trying to intro her.
I didn't post photos of the new boy to get caught up in his lineage. The only issue that I know of with OlsEn's is that 2 are listed as Classic Grays when they aren't.
If you truly weren't trying to start anything then why didn't you just PM me, email me or ask Kim to give you my phone number? This kind of thing is exactly why I have not been as active as before on the boards.

Lori, again this ISNT about Alli. Alli's lineage is junked up - bottom line. I have no questions about her at all. I never asked you ONE question about her so please stop explaining that same thing to me. It doesn't matter to me.

Im sorry you rehomed Alixus because you didn't have the time to intro her to your breeding trio. I hope she found a great home, and Im sure she did. The only questions left I have about Alixus is why would you consider breeding her if she had bogus lineage in the start? Thats just strange really.

Olson or Olsen - the father of the joey you posted is of leu lines and/or plat lines. I'd like to see his lineage. His parents must be listed if he isn't or is listed but under the name he was born with. You MUST know his lineage if you are breeding plat/leu lines dont you? WHO was his mother? Just saying who this joey is out of isn't that big of a deal.

And umm Lori, I do have your phone number. But since when is it a crime to ask who this joey's parents are? On the board or in private if there's nothing to hide why not ask and get answers? I saw a couple others wondering about his parentage too, or making assumptions. Which I DIDNT do. I asked out right. Which is all I was hoping you'd do - answer out right. I wasn't stirring anything or being agressive with you. Just asked questions.

As far as I know neither Mary Kate OR Alixus' lineage is "junked up". That is the lineage that I got when I bought them. Why would I think that it was "junked up"?

I'd be more than happy to discuss that with you if you'd like. But could you please just answer the question I asked about the joey in THIS thread?

i want to apoligize for starting an uproar, to lori and anyone else offended i didnt mean to put a question in this babies lineage. i misinterpritted (sp) text as being a little sharp and jumped in to defend someone i hold close to my heart as a freind and mentor in the glider world. when in fact she needed no help and it caused a fiesty discussion. that was not my intent at all.
SORRY!

No. This thread isn't about this glider's lineage. I simply posted a photo. Maybe if this was a simple inquiry and not target practice and done without bringing the entire community into a ridiculous off topic post then you and I could have had a conversation about it.
I respect you, your breeding and your opinion...I just don't like how you went about this. Calling lineage "bogus" in an open post without speaking to me when you DO have my phone number is a very obvious attempt to discredit me. I'm not going to entertain this anymore.

Isn't he just the CUTEST? New photos very soon!

Lori, I dont need to try to discredit you. You are the keeper of your reputation, and the fact that you will not say who this joey is out of speaks VOLUMES about your character and how much you care about your reputation.

Again I will say, if you have nothing to hide the obvious answer would be just to tell the truth. If you dont want to share the truth, thats between you and your customers or future customers. As Im sure its not just me that sees you posting but avoiding answering the question in every single one.

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And I'll remind you I DID simply just ask. Before I went to your site and had further questions for you.

If you think the right approach for someone to take when they find dangerous permanent damage causing lineage issues is to send a PM or call instead of posting I guess we just feel differently about communication. I see nothing wrong with publicly asking questions on publicly posted information. I didn't make anything up, its available to anyone who cared to look YOUR website, YOUR link to lineage. No sneaking around involved, you made your posts about your intentions to breed Alixus both here and on your site and she's got fabricated lineage. Thats not on me. Thats on you.

So since you are going to go pout instead of just answer who the parents of this joey is I guess I'll just wish you good luck and better pairings in your future as a breeder, and just PRAY you dont mess things up too badly.

:)

I'd like to know the lineage on this baby as well. Why is it such a difficulty to say who his mother is?

I agree with Matchie 100%, as a breeder of both leu and platinum as well I find errors of this nature to be alarming. Why post a gliders lineage on your website that is a "mistake"?

I don't see this supposed hostility in Matchie's posts that either of you see. I see her asking questions that are being avoided for some reason that would make any responsible breeder want to dig a little further. Hopefully Alixus went on to her new home with her real lineage or as pet only.

Love you too Kinue!
Alixus has NOTHING to do with this thread at all! I don't even know how she ended up here. As I have stated before, I know nothing about her lineage being wrong. I didn't create it. I didn't even list myself as the owner...it was done by the previous owner. IF there is a problem with her lineage that is something that I'll look into. However, she was rehomed for FREE without lineage so what has her lineage got to do with ANYTHING let alone this thread? I don't understand why this is such an issue.
I'm not getting into THIS boy's lineage because this thread has become hostile and no one here has any investment in who his parents are. According to RandE he is a WF. I'm not breeding "for" plats with this pair. I have Dax and Nyota for those colors. I simply loved his coloring and shared.

Not THAT is chidish Lori, grow up.

I have to say that this person matchmakersmagic really needs to knock it off. You publicly called Lori a liar. What will you do if she is correct and lineage is proven? Good God people! Makes me real happy I have two neutered boys. This is ridiculous. Kinue, you need to stop trolling.

Like it or not, we're always preaching to people about knowing lineage before breeding. (I am well aware some of the girls came pregnant. I was just stating a fact about the forum) Are any of these joeys getting sold/adopted out/whatever you want to call it? What if someone wants to breed these new joeys? How is lineage suddenly NOT important? Who cares it was asked?

Lisa, Kinue knows breeding/lineage VERY well. She isn't a troll.

It was asked. And it was answered! I said that Lori and I discovered together that the lineage was messed up on the database and that Lori was working with PP to get it fixed. She has lineage on paper from the breeder, and it isn't what is on the database! Lori was in meetings all afternoon, so I answered some questions for her - she is in the process of getting the corrected lineage on the database. End of story. No great mystery! She only just found out this morning that it was entered incorrectly on there!

Lineage is important, and she has it. She is not the one who entered it incorrectly on the database, but she has taken the responsibility to fix it.

Why does it have to be a big fight?? She doesn't "owe" anyone answers, and she has chosen not to answer in this thread! Other people post cute pictures of their joeys, and it doesn't become a huge brawl about lineage! Why did this one?

And when someone comes and posts on one thread repeatedly trying to stir something up - that's called trolling. Doesn't matter who you are and if someone somewhere thinks you are a big shot. Omis g-ma called it like she saw it!

Why is she so hellbent on attacking Lori? Like Lori posted, she and Priscilla will be researching the lineage. Why is this Kinue just now throwing a fit over this one glider and saying some of Loris' lineage is fabricated? She is all but calling her a fraud. I would have p.m.d the question instead of making myself look like a jerk.

Kinue is far from a troll lol

Since when is it uncommon to ask from breeder to breeder WHO a baby is out of? Your stonewalling screams that you have done something you're ashamed of. Funny that Alden says she doesn't have anything invested in Lori's joey but she certainly invested in one of yours Alden. You may wanna keep an eye on this one and not be so focused on creating your typical drama and helping in what appears to be a chitty attempt at covering up something that could be very damaging to our already delicate leu lines. Whether or not THIS pairing of whomever they are will be bred for leu or plat you've already admitted this baby has both lines in it. Mucking up these lines could cause severe damage that many breeders have worked hard to clean up for years.


That lineage will never be proven. I'm sorry but Noel and Becka didn't just drop out of the sky. The parents were obviously left off for a reason. Any breeder that's ever combed through the leu line lineages would know this without even having to ask questions.

FYI - there are over 20 "new baby" threads in the month of October alone.

I don't see anyone posting on those demanding lineage.

I'm not attempting to "cover up" anything, dear heart. Rather then 'creating drama' my attempts are to stop the drama that is rapidly and rabidly over-taking this thread! People posting in this thread CLEARLY have other agendas.

You have questions- ask those questions. Did you breed rescues, Lori? Did you fake lineages, Lori? Have you done something you are ashamed of, Lori?

Those are the questions you want to ask - so freaking ask them, and stop dropping insanely ridiculous innuendos!

LOL! Alden you crack me up! The answers are no, no and no. I have sent an email to Priscilla to see why the paper lineage that I have is different than what is on the database. Since I didn't add it I can't fix it.
But the question Alden asked is valid...why the interest in this baby? RandE corrected me on the color so he's a WF. What other WFs are you accusing the owners of the things you have said about me?

The questions were asked and dodged repeatedly. Instead of answering simple questions, Kinue was accused of ludicrous drama starting. In which Lori refuses to answer.

Alden maybe you should go back and read your posts from the beginning of this thread on till now. You attacked Kinue for no reason. As a breeder and a breeder or leu/plat at that, do you not find reason to be concerned or see why a responsible breeder would see an issue with these things and the dodging as well?

Who all has access to add/change/correct things in the database? It isn't something I've ever had to mess with.

She isn't dodging me - she's only dodging the rude people.

I know all the answers I need to know - maybe if you asked nicely you would to!

Kyro- only Priscilla Price can change the database, or the person who originally entered the listing.

Right on Alden!!! Thank you for bringing that up. I think anyone posting joeys oop or whatever need to provide lineage info so this won't occur again. I still don't understand why she couldn't p.m. her and not make public scene? Alden, I don't care who knows what and if this person is a breeder or what but I do know I've read through this thread and seen her attempt to chase Lori down and interrogate her. Kinue, before you go making a bigger jerk out of yourself, let them get the lineage straightened out. It's been how long and no harm done? Whats one or a few more days? You'll get your answer. I doubt Lori has pedals installed on her hips so stop riding her like a bicycle.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by valkyriemome</i>
<br />FYI - there are over 20 "new baby" threads in the month of October alone.

I don't see anyone posting on those demanding lineage.

I'm not attempting to "cover up" anything, dear heart. Rather then 'creating drama' my attempts are to stop the drama that is rapidly and rabidly over-taking this thread! People posting in this thread CLEARLY have other agendas.

You have questions- ask those questions. Did you breed rescues, Lori? Did you fake lineages, Lori? Have you done something you are ashamed of, Lori?

Those are the questions you want to ask - so freaking ask them, and stop dropping insanely ridiculous innuendos!
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<br />I'd like to know the lineage on this baby as well. Why is it such a difficulty to say who his mother is?

I agree with Matchie 100%, as a breeder of both leu and platinum as well I find errors of this nature to be alarming. Why post a gliders lineage on your website that is a "mistake"?

I don't see this supposed hostility in Matchie's posts that either of you see. I see her asking questions that are being avoided for some reason that would make any responsible breeder want to dig a little further. Hopefully Alixus went on to her new home with her real lineage or as pet only.
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I was far from rude in this post asking.

Sorry - yes, you were. But I think the offending damage had already been done, and I don't think Lori was expecting, nor cares for the Spanish Inquisition that was delivered.

I'm sure, as Omis g-ma said, all will be answered in time. I know that patience isn't usually a big commodity in the glider world, but I'm pretty sure that Lori will be handling this in her own time - around her kids, her PTA meetings, her rescue work, and her joeys!

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<br />Sorry - yes, you were. But I think the offending damage had already been done, and I don't think Lori was expecting, nor cares for the Spanish Inquisition that was delivered.

I'm sure, as Omis g-ma said, all will be answered in time. I know that patience isn't usually a big commodity in the glider world, but I'm pretty sure that Lori will be handling this in her own time - around her kids, her PTA meetings, her rescue work, and her joeys!
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