I have been feeding HPW Complete for about 6 months now and recently my gliders, Chester and Dixie, who have always gotten along have become kind of vicious with each other. Not balling up or fighting to the point where I have to separate them, but crabbing at each other almost non-stop. At first I figured Dixie was in heat, but the bickering continued for 3 or 4 weeks. Then I discovered a few other people who feed Complete have had this issue arise too. It honestly really makes me question the diet. I know there has been some debate on the diet in the past, but it seems like there are too many instances of this happening for it to be a fluke. I'm just curious if anyone else has seen this, or other side-effects when feeding Complete? As it stands, I think I'm going to switch over to LGRS Suggie Soup for a while. A lot of members who I respect use it, and I've seen the data behind it and like that it's pretty balanced.

Doug, when are you switching diets? It will be interesting to see if this behavior stops with a new diet. You should definitely post back. In the meanwhile, I certainly hope that Chester and Dixie's harmony is reinstated soon.

Honestly, I stopped feeding the Complete about a week ago and have been feeding baby food turkey while waiting for the LGRS stuff to arrive.. and the fighting has pretty much stopped.

I started feeding HPW Complete 3 months ago. About a month after I started feeding it, I started to notice some changes in one of my gliders! At first I thought she was in heat. She had been chasing and crabbing at the other girls for 6 days straight! Needless to say, I am NOT happy with the changes I am seeing in my babies! I will be swithching to LGRS.

Mine have started doing this bickering in the pouch during the day and its bad enough that i check on them to make sure their all ok. But not bad enough to separate either. Daisy and Gizmo have been together for their entire life which is going on 4 yrs. I never even thought about it being the food, I thought they were getting tired of each other(like husband and wives not getting along). ha ha. I also have noticed a funny brownish pink tint to Daisy's fur (on tail and half way up her back and on her sides, vet said she is healthy though. I too am going to be changing their diet.

My three have also been together their whole lifes! I have never had a problem with them bickering. The only time that I seperate mina is when she does it constantly.

Does anyone know what would be the reason for the food causing crabbiness???? That's so strange!

I know there have been studies done about things such as gluten and misbehavior in children and when the diet was changed the child(ren) calmed down.... maybe it's on the same order as that.

I was feeding mine Complete and I did notice a difference in behavior not in a good way. i switched to HPW Plus and it all stopped

This is so strange! I've never heard of this! is it only in the HPW complete that there is a noticable difference?

I've been feeding HPW Complete for about 6 months, over the last 3 months, Ziggy and Cocoa's fur has been starting to look crackly and/or rough. I haven't noticed anything with their behavior, but even Gizmo (who typically has flawless fur) is starting to have rough-ish look to it. I've been trying a few different things, you know.. maybe it's humidity, maybe it's laundry detergent on their fleece, maybe it's dirty fleece.. but I'm changing the diet to see if it improves the condition of their fur.

SERIOUSLY?????

You all have nothing better to do than to assume that diet is the reason for your gliders behavior towards another glider???? I think I've heard it all now!

Let me tell you all something....

I have 31 gliders (yes you read that right) which is 11 cages. ELEVEN CAGES=31 gliders. And NOT ONE of my 31 gliders act any differently towards their cage mates than they did before they started eating HPW Complete 9 months ago!

Does that mean that my gliders are exceptionally well behaved with their cage mates than yours are? NO. Does that mean that mine love each other more than yours do? NO. Does that mean mine don't have their little spats with each other? NO.

I cannot believe that some of you are so against a diet that you will grasp at any straw that you can find to discredit it!

There are plenty of diets out there that I don't agree with, but I don't go around making false accusations about them. I don't go running my mouth as to WHY I don't like them. But when it comes to something that I believe in wholeheartedly then YES I am going to defend it. Just as you guys would with your precious diets that you push!

And just so you know, my cult leader has went to bed for the evening and hasn't even seen this thread, so this is her follower giving my 2 cents!

How pathetic. Don't like it, don't feed it! Got questions/concerns? Go to the creator! PERIOD!

Sherri, calm down before you give yourself a coronary! Doug has been feeding this diet, in case you missed that part, not concocting ways to start problems!

they are simply discussing a topic, there is no bashing going on and no harm being done. if people are happy with it they can and will keep using it. but a forum is a place to discuss such things. everyone just wants the best for their gliders. so please cool off and remain calm nobody else has said anything rude. nobody has even said anything about where the diet creator is we are discussing this among other owners and users of the diet. yes some questions do need to be asked to the diet creator but not this question because doug is asking for other owners experiences. it is possible to have a proper mature discussion/debate online. but everyone has to make sure they stick to the topic and state things nicely. nobody is pushing a diet all the diet info is out there already and everyone is free to make their own choice and do what they think is best for their gliders.

Well i'm glad its your 31 gliders being the guinea pigs. Guess time will tell.

Thank you for posting dpatters. I think places like this are perfect for such questions and pondering. I do not have experience with HPW causing such issues though my gliders are both rather wild as their first owners never held them. The male was nicer when we first got him though... it seems like just a week or so later his personality changed and he is more wild despite healthy interaction. I also noted a few weeks ago that I did not love their fur issues these days, it might be weather and such. I think though it is time to change things up for them and try another diet, slowly going from one to another.

If nothing else variety I think as long as it is balanced should be a positive!

Most any food has ingredients listed in order of highest amount to lowest amount. Honey is the first on the list. Could it be due to honey being the first ingredient? Maybe the changes in blood sugar can cause the irritability? Just odd that more than one person would experience the same side effect?

Maybe for those of you experiencing this issue.. document the way they act before switching diets and after switching diets. Then if there is a significant change in behavior contact Peggy with your results?

Or maybe have some blood work done while on the Complete, and then several weeks after getting off the Complete do more blood work? Maybe it could determine if there was a change in blood sugar or something else? Then the blood work results could maybe paint a picture? Idk.. just a thought?

I originally used HPW Plus, and my two gliders were fine with it - I didnt notice anything too drastic, and the two gliders had different personalities. One was calm and friendly, the other was a crabby little thing who was afraid.

I've been using HPW complete for a few months now, and there's been no change in their personalities at all, if anything the crabby one has been getting friendlier, and the other one is still a sweet thing.

Well whatever the case may be I hope none of the behavioral changes are directly related to. The HPW complete.. I just bought the biggest one :/

I would like to hear if others not feeding HPW complete have seen periods where their gliders don't get along. It seems like it would happen a few weeks into starting the diet not 6 months later.

I would really like to see the studies from peggy. I'm going to message her today.

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You all have nothing better to do than to assume that diet is the reason for your gliders behavior towards another glider???? I think I've heard it all now!

Let me tell you all something....

I have 31 gliders (yes you read that right) which is 11 cages. ELEVEN CAGES=31 gliders. And NOT ONE of my 31 gliders act any differently towards their cage mates than they did before they started eating HPW Complete 9 months ago!

Does that mean that my gliders are exceptionally well behaved with their cage mates than yours are? NO. Does that mean that mine love each other more than yours do? NO. Does that mean mine don't have their little spats with each other? NO.

I cannot believe that some of you are so against a diet that you will grasp at any straw that you can find to discredit it!

There are plenty of diets out there that I don't agree with, but I don't go around making false accusations about them. I don't go running my mouth as to WHY I don't like them. But when it comes to something that I believe in wholeheartedly then YES I am going to defend it. Just as you guys would with your precious diets that you push!

And just so you know, my cult leader has went to bed for the evening and hasn't even seen this thread, so this is her follower giving my 2 cents!

How pathetic. Don't like it, don't feed it! Got questions/concerns? Go to the creator! PERIOD!
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We weren't bashing it. I actually quite like how the ca:ph rations are balanced so I can be more free with the fruits and veggies. I was on complete for a while and I switched to plus and added the green juice and I have noticed a significant change in their behavior and their fur is wayyy softer.

I've not heard of changes in behavior, except positive, with any of the "recommended" diets but that doesn't mean it can't exist. I wonder what would cause that though? I just find it interesting that others are saying their gliders behaviors have changed as well.

It isn't always as simple as saying to just not feed a diet if you don't like it. These guys DID like it and DID feed it. They just noticed a behavior and happen to have the diet in common. Theres nothing wrong with bringing concerns into the open. Lots of people feed it and if this is a recurring issue, no one would know unless someone asks.

My only question is, what if you guys switch diets and the behavior continues?

Then it probably isn't the diet doing it. I honestly don't know what to say. Maybe Peggy should do some more tests.

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<br />I've not heard of changes in behavior, except positive, with any of the "recommended" diets but that doesn't mean it can't exist. I wonder what would cause that though? I just find it interesting that others are saying their gliders behaviors have changed as well.

It isn't always as simple as saying to just not feed a diet if you don't like it. These guys DID like it and DID feed it. They just noticed a behavior and happen to have the diet in common. Theres nothing wrong with bringing concerns into the open. Lots of people feed it and if this is a recurring issue, no one would know unless someone asks.

My only question is, what if you guys switch diets and the behavior continues?
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That's a good question, Kylah. I really didn't bring this issue up to "bash" the diet or try to start drama. I hadn't even considered the diet as being linked to my gliders' change in behavior until four other people (yes, FOUR) told me they were experiencing similar problems that occurred after they started feeding complete. And now even more people have come forward. That's not a coincidence. Anyway, Kylah, to answer your question - I stopped feeding Complete early last week and started giving turkey baby food while waiting for LGRS supplies to arrive. The first night the bickering wasn't as persistent. The 2nd night it was even less. And now I don't hear any crabbing. It may NOT be the diet.. I'm not saying conclusively that it is. But, again, I'm thinking it's not a coincidence.

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<br />SERIOUSLY?????

You all have nothing better to do than to assume that diet is the reason for your gliders behavior towards another glider???? I think I've heard it all now!

Let me tell you all something....

I have 31 gliders (yes you read that right) which is 11 cages. ELEVEN CAGES=31 gliders. And NOT ONE of my 31 gliders act any differently towards their cage mates than they did before they started eating HPW Complete 9 months ago!

Does that mean that my gliders are exceptionally well behaved with their cage mates than yours are? NO. Does that mean that mine love each other more than yours do? NO. Does that mean mine don't have their little spats with each other? NO.

I cannot believe that some of you are so against a diet that you will grasp at any straw that you can find to discredit it!

There are plenty of diets out there that I don't agree with, but I don't go around <b>making false accusations</b> about them. I don't go running my mouth as to WHY I don't like them. But when it comes to something that I believe in wholeheartedly then YES I am going to defend it. Just as you guys would with your precious diets that you push!

And just so you know, my cult leader has went to bed for the evening and hasn't even seen this thread, so this is her follower giving my 2 cents!

How pathetic. Don't like it, don't feed it! Got questions/concerns? Go to the creator! PERIOD!
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WOW Sherri. Why are you SO upset? Honestly, I think you just made it a little worse for anyone questioning the diet. Your extreme offensive defensive behavior would make ANYone wonder what your reasons were for being that way.

Doug does NOT participate in the drama around the boards and his post was one with sincere and genuine intentions and everyone else that posted here was calm, cool, collected, and just sharing experiences. If I remember correctly, there hasn't been any HPW Complete bashing done on GG lately - perhaps you are thinking of other boards you frequent? And, if so - maybe the people here need to know about those threads. Since the livelihood of their gliders depend on diet, I believe it's healthy to discuss and ask questions.

If people here were on a witch-hunt for Peggy or her diets then surely they would be also bashing HPW Plus. It's quite the opposite, people are saying Plus was the better option to Complete - made by the same creator.

Why is it that you believe these statements are false accusations? Just because they are not synonymous with your experiences does not invalidate them. And quite frankly a negative response or Cult as you are calling it does NOT encourage REAL LIFE honest feedback. I find cutting people off at the pass and saying "Sit Down and Shut UP" stifles the customer - and really at WHOSE risk???..The gliders.

I will agree with you on this - YES, people should go to Peggy but for 1) new people feel that she is "too high" in the community and they are intimidated and 2) anyone that has been around a while figures that THIS kind of thing will happen. These boards have had public conversations about BML, HPW, LGRS, and many others. Why is it "NOT" okay to discuss this one?

Peggy has told me that the test have NOT been completed.

There is always the option of feeding the Suggie Soup through a batch then switching back and noting any changes if any.

Like children, gliders are different. What affects some may not affect others. That's why we have options, if "this" doesn't work then we can try "that."

Please keep us posted tho.

I emailed her as If I was going to switch diets.

This is what she sent back to me.

Falicia,



Hi there and thank you for your email.



It is good to hear that your babies are currently on the Original HPW diet. Please be assured that gliders are indeed undergoing the same and even more intense testing as they did
and are doing on the Original HPW. You see, I can say that since I am the creator of all three diets and I am the only one responsible in having those testings done. J



The testing process for the Plus and Complete have not been completed, therefore the results may not be viewed at this time, but I have been assured by the Veterinarian that is running the
testing and will be doing the write up once they are completed, that so far the test results have been very good and no concerns in any area at this time are present.



To see some of the results others are having with the HPW Plus and HPW Complete diet please stop by and view the testimonial page here:

hpwplus.com/testimonials/testimonials.htm



And if you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.

I think your babies would love the HPW Complete. J



Peggy

Critter Love

Peggy reads here.. just be honest about what you want to know and she will answer. I'm sure she is well aware of this thread by now.

Except for the one comment, I believe this is a really civil discussion on diets. We all have our own opinions on diets, etc. but I think it is great that Doug posed the question and voiced his concerns on the forum so others (who may be having the same issues by the way) can see that there might be some correlation between the behavior change and the diet. Other members might be thinking that their gliders are just going through some kind of phase and don't want to post a topic about it thinking it is nothing to be concerned about. I don't feed the HPW complete nor the Plus but will be curious to know the results from the people that are switching diets. Thanks again Doug for posting this!!