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GoldenStateOfMind Glider  94 Posts The rescue I'm getting my suggies from feeds BML so I will keep them on that diet unless something goes wrong. From what I read, its a great diet, sometimes the suggies can get fat from it tho. Rauha Face Hugger    Finland 440 Posts From the conclusion we did yesterday, it has even worse stuff in it then just plain sugar. It has vitamin K3, which is in other words known as menadione. Menadione in large doses can cause liver damage, severe brain damage and in worse cases death, among other things. The FDA has banned any menadione supplements used for humans, so I can't think of it as anything good for suggies either. I do not know what is a "large dose", but the Rep-Cal Herpitive used in BML has menadione in it, and I guess for a small animal like a suggie, small doses for us are huge doses for them. Rep-Cal Herptivite; Vitamins: Vit E, Choline, Niacin, Inositol, Vit C, P-Amino Benzoic Acid, B1, B2, b6, Bete Carotene, d-Pantothenic Acid, Folic Acid, Menadione, B12, and Biotin. I do not wish to cause any kind of hysteria with this, this is just something I think people have the right to know if they don't know where to look. And I am only telling you guys what I've read myself. I have no experience in using the BML diet, because it is a diet very difficult to put together over here in Finland and I don't think suggies need all that stuff it contains. But I assure you I am not out to bash the BML diet or in any way trying to get people to freak out. I am only stating known facts. Here you can read and assure yourselves I'm not talking BS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menadione
Glider Zc Joey 14 Posts Rauha Face Hugger Finland 440 Posts Whoaaa, hold your horses there just for a sec. I don't think BML is bad in short term use, but in long term I think it will cause more damage than good. And saying long term, I mean years and YEARS. I really don't want to cause any kind of hysteria. I just think this is something that no one has noticed before, because people don't know where or what to look for. Seriously, I think it's something even the diets creator hasn't noticed. I just wanted people to know, don't hate the messenger and PLEASE, don't freak out. I bet your gliders are ALL FINE, no one's dying or getting heart attacks or anything, everyone just CHILL. Think about it, don't go all crazy and climbing up the walls because of it. Relax, and think and do some research and then think again. No need to PANIC, my fellow users, nooo neeed to panic  *uses a very soothing voice* I tasted BML, but luckily I didn't have vionate or repcal without d3 and phos for the first batch I made. I didn't notice a really terrible smell, but then again I eat MREs. Now I have a little spoonful of HPW ice cream every night... Too bad myoplex doesn't taste that good! LovingLife123 Fuzzy Wuzzy USA 1069 Posts Nevermind I read it wrong....here it is It has been documented in various places that there is a correlation between diet-related illness and death rate in sugar gliders using "Bourbon's Modified Leadbeater's," and "Ruth's Modified Leadbeater's". While it cannot be proven that the supplementation is the root of the problem, it is worth serious consideration. The "Modified Leadbeater's" listed here as Ruth's and Bourbon's are actually misnomers. When speaking with the director of Moonlit Sanctuary, Australia he stated: The BML [Bourbon's Modified Leadbeater's] is claimed to be a "modified leadbeaters" mix. Frankly, reading what goes into it, it is nothing like the leadbeaters mix. The sustagen in the leadbeaters mix is a milk based product therefore has a high calcium ratio (it is available in "hospital" and "sports" grades, we always use hospital). The only baby cereal used is high-protein, which is for 0-3 months. Australian zoos have used the leadbeaters mix for some decades. We ourselves have used it for 3 years with no problems, and have a thriving, breeding, population of three species of glider. When I first read about the BML diet, I had to wonder was it just an American thing that if you modify something by increasing the complexity, it has to be better? Like Rita said... this was last updated 04/2004 so I would say we have learned much since then Edited to add last line guineasandgliders Starting Member IL, USA 1 Posts I use bml but I do not use it every day. I use it every third day and give my gliders mealies and a variety of fruits and veggies ( changing it up alot ) I also offer them a dry all the time for when they are up and about in the day. I am sure there are other great diets but this is what they were on at the breeders and I don't want to change their diet. I think of it like a baby. If I were to change their diet it would cause diarrhea or constipation and upset stomach. I have read around about bml and I think that if its a supplement to their diet and not the whole diet its fine. My gliders diet is more than a supplement I mix in the blender. Soooo any exotic animal dieticians here??? Also where are the facts to support BML being bad and I mean the studies and who did them? Glider Universaty in MHO is self serving, they sell Glider food. For every vet that says one thing you can find another to say different. Since I use my version I guess I need to call it SLM. I have cut way back on the sugar and I feed bunchs of fresh fruit and veggies plus protien. Just wait and someone will come along and say HPW will make your gliders glow in the dark. lol Just something else to think about. I agree that the 50-25-25 is probably the best way to go if you not only can figure the calcium to phos ratios but also if your guys will eat their veggies. The only veggies mine will eat regularly is spring mix. Now that being said people will say put some honey on it, soak it in apple juice and we're right back to sugar intake. With the SLM (BLM) I know their getting their vitamines and calcium. There is NO long term controlled research out there on their diet. Guess one reason I'm going on about this subject is someone will come on here and say something negative about a diet without anything scientific to back it up. Then those that are new to glider upkeep panick and think their doing something wrong. Anything in large enough doses can kill you however many toxins are naturally expelled. Heres a case in point, how many use plastic drinking bottles, how many babies were feed from plastic bottles? Get my point. If your gliders will eat everything you put in front of them and you understand the ratios then by all means use the 50-25-25 diet, its a great diet. BML by itself is not a complete diet. As most know feed fresh veggies and fruit to go along with it, the added protien doesn't hurt either.
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