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Dec 31 2009
08:46:32 AM
Ok, this isn't exactly as bad as the title states. We found a vet who seems to be the right fit for us, and has the best interest of all animals in mind. He is a member of the ASGV and does promote "some" of the philosophies. Does this make him a bad vet for gliders? He didn't once tell me I was trying wrong diets, or that I should use specific things. But he does mention Dr. B#$% as a source to tap into for further information.

What are some other credentials should we be looking for? Or more importantly, what type of training or experience would be more beneficial?


I don't want this to be a flame thread for any of the mentioned organizations, but more informative for parents that are trying to find the best vet for their gliders.


Thanks again for everything!
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Dec 31 2009
08:59:40 AM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
What does he think of you previous bad experience, was he involved in it?

Which philosophies does he promote?
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Dec 31 2009
09:19:20 AM
johngault007 Joey GliderMap Visit johngault007's Photo Album USA 23 Posts
Well, yes, he was the vet that was there when the baby passed. I explained the conditions surrounding where the baby came from and of course he agreed that many babies in one small area wasn't healthy.

Even when he was examining Nala, He kept the office lights off and used indirect light as much as possible. He was very gentle, never restrained here beyond what was necessary to keep her from escaping, she actually calmed down to a point where he was able to examine her. He kept the office lights off and used indirect light as much as possible.

I want to make sure that even if the vet has some misinformation, that we can provide resources or references for them and not challenge their profession and put them on the defensive. If you think about it, how would you feel if somebody off the street came in to your office and told you that you were doing your job wrong because they read on a website or forum that it should be done another way?
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Dec 31 2009
09:29:13 AM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
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Originally posted by johngault007

If you think about it, how would you feel if somebody off the street came in to your office and told you that you were doing your job wrong because they read on a website or forum that it should be done another way?



How would you feel if someone with no or very little hands on experience told you you were doing it wrong?
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Dec 31 2009
09:33:17 AM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
Which philosophies does he promote?
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Dec 31 2009
09:55:01 AM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I'm just wondering what makes a vet ASGV certified? It's hard not to be leery of someone recommended by PPP. I'm sure that's because of all the horrors we've seen on here plus all the info we know about "the good doctor", Dr. B. I'm just wondering how he was certified.
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Dec 31 2009
09:58:25 AM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
A lot of the people on here have long working relationships with their vets and don't just go by what they read,that would be ignorant.

I can't get past Dr.B*&^%$ keeping a sugar glider in his pocket most of the time(going by his video). Its unsanitary,unsafe and goes right along with "the perfect pocket pet" . These are exotic animals and shouldn't be kept in pockets. I'm not sure if you have ever seen an animal with Parvo(sp?) or Distemper but thats what Dr.B*&&^% is risking every time he sees a new or sick animal and has his pet in his pocket JMO.
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Dec 31 2009
10:11:53 AM
Candy Cuddle Bear Visit Candy's Photo Album FL, USA 8110 Posts
Please find an experienced glider vet that is NOT associated with the mill breeder (ASGV is a representative of the well known mill breeder)

An ASGV member may overlook problems in a glider that are related to poor breeding and housing practices.

Your "replacement" glider may not be any healthier than the baby you lost.
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Dec 31 2009
01:08:54 PM
johngault007 Joey GliderMap Visit johngault007's Photo Album USA 23 Posts
Can we re-name this thread "How do I know if this vet is right for me" ?

Basically, I think I was trying to start a thread asking experienced owners:
* What to ask during their initial visit to a new vet?
* What questions should we be asking during subsequent visits.
* What are signs that a vet might not have extensive knowledge about gliders?
* Just because they mention ASGV, does that mean they are completely untrustworthy (factual evidence only please)?

Please read above as I describe he was very gentle and comfortable handling Nala, remember, she is a sassy female that doesn't like to be handled by anyone, trust or no trust. He did not push ASGV or Triple P agendas and did not handle the gliders as the "Doctors" on the videos show.


The vet was found through this site:
www.sugarglider.com/links.asp
which led to this:
www.aemv.org/vetlist.cfm

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Dec 31 2009
01:54:35 PM
suppressedtearz Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit suppressedtearz's Photo Album USA 1066 Posts
I found my vet per Candy, and compared to any dog/cat veterinarian she was the most superb vet I had ever had the experience of meeting. While we talked she told me how she came about taking care of gliders, and openly admitted that one of her Glider Mom's (Candy) even knew well more about them than she did. Later on as we discussed things she pointed out that one of her previous vet techs went to nursing school where I lived, and asked if I knew her. And yes, I had graduated with her. So I had another reference to tell me what a fabulous vet she was.

The whole staff handled my girls with absolute love, talking to them, trying to calm them down, and even when Luna bit the tech she never missed a beat and kept going on with what she doing (she said it was her own fault)

My vet offered me a nutrition list that Candy had made, full of the do's and don'ts of foods. She explained me how thorough they were with their fecal tests and told me a story about a past patient that she just KNEW had parasites but they couldn't find them in the smear. She said they did 5 smears until they found the parasites. Most of this information was clearly volunteered to me.

When I called around for vets, they were all very honest in telling me that they either had little or no experience with gliders. And some gladly referred me to a vet they felt could better handle them.

I'm so sorry to make this post so long and drawn out, but finding the right vet for your little ones is so very important.
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Dec 31 2009
02:22:43 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
You did ask for our opinions and I'm just wondering what makes him "ASGV Certified". I'm not saying he's a BAD vet as I would have no idea. I can only form an opinion based on the facts provided. My concern is that he agrees that there were too many gliders in a cage, but not much else? I don't understand that. He must have a professional opinion about the whole situation.

You can change the title...just go to "edit" on your first post.
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Dec 31 2009
04:41:04 PM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
You should just ask the basics. Are you experienced with gliders? Are you up-to-date on glider info. May I ask where you get you glider info from. Do you have any clients right now with gliders? If so how many.

My vet is an awesome vet with very little glider experience but I trust her %100.She has taken good care of all my animals for the last 13 years. If she doesn't know something about them, she will do research to find the answers and not just guess. She has a library of veterinary animal reference guides(whatever you call them). She also volunteers to treat any and all wildlife. She is willing to work with me and learn any thing she can. She doesn't pretend to know everything and will tell you straight up.

If you like your vet and you get a good feeling when your are in their office, stay with them JMO. There is nothing wrong with learning more as you go.
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Dec 31 2009
05:11:34 PM
johngault007 Joey GliderMap Visit johngault007's Photo Album USA 23 Posts
Catman, thank you.

This vet doesn't pretend to know all the answers, especially when it comes to complete nutritional care. He only mentioned that doctor by name, but didn't push his products or methods, simply gave me another piece of reference material.

He is starting to see up to 5 gliders a month, and the way he treated Nala, I can only say that he cares for their well being during the entire process. She was no more stressed than when I take her out in her bonding pouch around town with me.

I will spend most of my time looking at all information (hard right and hard left) and sort of balance out the facts and provide my glider(s) with the best possible care. And this vet knows that and is willing to help me achieve that and learn something in the process.


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Dec 31 2009
05:38:21 PM
WintersSong Fuzzy Wuzzy 1417 Posts
Personal opinion is that I would stay far away from any vet that recommends Dr. B as a source of information.

I mentioned ASGV and Dr. B to my exotic vet once.. She let out a big laugh, and went on about what a joke they were. Not saying your vet is bad, just..personal opinion? I'd be weary.
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Dec 31 2009
05:45:20 PM
nurseotter Glider GliderMap Visit nurseotter's Photo Album TX, USA 85 Posts
I can only guess that ya'll are referring to Dr Brust. He is my vet and I happen to like him very much. I may not agree on everything, but he is very good with gliders and seems to love them very much. I have seen his glider in a pouch around his neck. His staff is wonderful also. I did buy the food that he encouraged, but my gliders really don't eat it all that much and I usually use the pellets as treats/snacks which they seem to enjoy. I feel that he offers a lot of good information, and I have looked at his book. It is very informative and it was made to help non suggie vets understand suggies better. He made me and my suggies feel at ease.

Audra
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Dec 31 2009
05:56:52 PM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
Bad pellets!!!
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Dec 31 2009
05:58:40 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Catman

Bad pellets!!!

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Dec 31 2009
06:44:22 PM
Mrpianowizard Face Hugger GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Mrpianowizard's Photo Album Mrpianowizard's Journal 572 Posts
I TOTALLY agree with WintersSong, I SPIT on Dr. Brust.
(we need a spitting smiley :P) And the cage in his video is SUPER small,
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Dec 31 2009
06:51:26 PM
Candy Cuddle Bear Visit Candy's Photo Album FL, USA 8110 Posts
Nurseotter

Did I understand you to say that Dr Brunst wears his own glider in a bonding pouch around his neck - WHILE EXAMINING OTHER GLIDERS?

If that is so, He may be endangering his own glider! What about exposure of his glider to parasites if the glider he is examining has them?

That is reckless and very poor care of his own glider.

I would also like to know the TITLE and publisher of his book. I have every book on sugar gliders I could locate - some current and some outdated, and a couple that are books written for kids. I cannot find one by Dr. Brunst.

If it exists, I would add it to my personal library to compare his information with other authors.
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Dec 31 2009
08:01:12 PM
nurseotter Glider GliderMap Visit nurseotter's Photo Album TX, USA 85 Posts
Yes, he kept one of his suggies in a pouch inside his shirt under his zipped up lab coat. He brought it out after my gliders were put away and he had washed his hands. And yes, he does say that he has some funding from triple P. And the book that I saw was typed up pages and pictures from a computer, that he hadn't gotten it publishd yet.
Just like the information you get here... not all of it can be believed and not all true. Research needs to be done by everyone no matter who tells them what. He told me things that he had experienced and that he felt were good for gliders. I like him, and while he tells me some things that I may not find to be true for my gliders, I will continue to go to him and take my babies there.
My gosh... do we have to blast everyone on here? I would rather go to a vet that has experience with suggies than go to a closer vet who says he deals with exotics but had to look everything up in a book when I had questions...
Anyways... if you wanna be a good parent you don't just take one persons advise and do things just that way... you find ways that work for you and your babies.... and my four babies are very important to me!

Audra
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Dec 31 2009
08:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by nurseotter

Yes, he kept one of his suggies in a pouch inside his shirt under his zipped up lab coat. He brought it out after my gliders were put away and he had washed his hands. And yes, he does say that he has some funding from triple P.


Say no more!!!!
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Dec 31 2009
08:19:52 PM
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nurseotter, you really don't care he is funded by a terrible company that does terrible things to animals?!?! Shame on you
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Dec 31 2009
08:20:56 PM
johngault007 Joey GliderMap Visit johngault007's Photo Album USA 23 Posts
Audra

Everyone is right and everyone is wrong, for that we must all find some common truth?
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Dec 31 2009
08:26:21 PM
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Originally posted by johngault007

Audra

Everyone is right and everyone is wrong, for that we must all find some common truth?



PPP is a mill,you have seen it first hand, is that truth?
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Dec 31 2009
08:36:50 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Audra, who is "everyone" that's being blasted?

Back to my twice already asked question...WHAT MAKES SOMEONE ASGV CERTIFIED? Anyone?
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Dec 31 2009
08:42:14 PM
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Originally posted by WintersSong

And if it is, I have the same question.. what makes them ASGV certified?




$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Dec 31 2009
08:42:53 PM
johngault007 Joey GliderMap Visit johngault007's Photo Album USA 23 Posts
Not defending them, they are not good. But if I don't judge people's opinion's on this forum, I will not discount someone's "research" either. He may be funded by PPP, but that is a fact of life when you need money to further advance knowledge. Drug companies, food companies, and pet supply companies do this every day. His videos are sort of cheesy and are funded by PPP, but I have never read anything he has published, so I can't say outside of his promo videos, what his agenda is. Based on "fact", a client, he hasn't killed a glider or harmed any of his clients, so with that, seems to at least be a decent vet.

I do know he doesn't dismiss a balanced BML,Veggie,Fruit diet. But PPP pays the bills and he has to discourage people on those videos that are tailored for that audience.

I think I will take a few steps back and just continue to research quietly from all sources. I will post happy thoughts and talk about the happy things in life, like tents and toys. Because, that is working with making my glider emotionally healthy.

I apologize for starting this thread in hopes of generating an informational discussion and not realizing that people are very emotionally charged. I am trying to ensure due diligence in all aspects of my glider's life. She is wonderful, and demands that I give her everything I can!

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Dec 31 2009
08:44:37 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
I know PPP actually owns that site, but just wondering what the certification means. I'm assuming it's wording similar to the likes of "Glider University" or "United Sugar Glider Association"...just to sound smart or "legitimate".
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Dec 31 2009
08:46:38 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
How is trying to find out facts NOT an "informational thread"?
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Dec 31 2009
08:48:18 PM
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may I ask an off the wall question KYRO? by your name above what do the stars mean? is that how many gliders you own?
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Dec 31 2009
08:53:34 PM
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I'm sure Michael Vick's vet is good too.
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