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fadedrainbows Face Hugger      USA 819 Posts I think the InsectEater diet sounds okay. This is what the site says about it: Ingredients: Chicken Meat, blood meal, whole eggs, apples, pears, bananas, carrots, sweat potatoes, wheat germ, honey, whole crickets, whole mealworms, whole grasshoppers, Fish oil (source of omega-3 fatty acids) lecithin (source of phospholipids), Taurine (amino acid) vitamins and minerals. Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein, min .. 26.1% Crude Fat, #65533;c 5.3% Crude Fiber, max .. 6.3%Crude Ash, max #65533;c 6.5% Moisture Content, max .. 59.6% Calcium (CA), min #65533;c 2.2% Phosphorus (P), min#65533;c 1.1% I didn't get the impression they were pellets though. It says to refrigerate after opening. The Eucalyptus one doesn't list ingredients though. And I'm not sure why y'all keep assuming every pellet is mainly a corn filler. The link to the one's she's been feeding them not only doesn't list corn as an ingredient, it also states that this should only be part of a meal. This is the description: Feeding Directions: Feed each sugar glider approximately 1 ounce (2-1/2 level tablespoons) of pellets per day. Lactating females should be offered food at all times. Replace the Sunseed Sugar Glider Formula each morning and provide fresh vegetables, fruits, and insects in the evening. Remove and discard any uneaten food each morning. Fresh water should always be available. Clean and refill containers daily. Note: Sugar Gliders have unique dietary requirements. While this prepared food is an excellent base diet, it should only make up about 50% of your pet's daily intake. The balance of the diet should consist of approximately 40% fresh vegetables (such as dark, leafy vegetables, sweet potatoes, and carrots), and 10% fruits (melons, apples, and bananas). The addition of small mealworms, wax worms, and crickets are also recommended. Ingredients: Feeding Oat Meal, Pork Meal, Poultry Meal, Cereal Food Fines, Wheat Middlings, Wheat Flour, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Porcine Blood Meal, Full Fat Flax Meal, Fish Meal, Brewer's Dried Yeast, Calcium Carbonate, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Soybean Oil, Shrimp Meal, Freeze Dried Mealworms, Honey, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Dehydrated Kelp, Wheat Germ Meal, Mango Juice, Kiwi Juice, Cherry Juice, Apple Juice, Apricot Juice, Guar Gum, Dehydrated Carrots, Dehydrated Celery, Dehydrated Parsley, Dehydrated Bell Peppers, Dehydrated Tomato, Dicalcium Phosphate, Monocalcium Phosphate, Grapeseed Meal, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dehydrated Papaya Fruit Powder, Magnesium Oxide, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium bifidum Fermentation Product, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite (source of Vitamin K activity), Biotin, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Beta Carotene, L-Ascorbyl 2-Polyphosphate (source of Stabilized Vitamin C), Choline Chloride, Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Ethylenediamine Dihydroiodide, Sodium Selenite. I think some of you hear a keyword such as "pellets" and just flip out. Maybe you should read the whole question and look at references provided before you state your copy and pasted answer on every question. I know that may sound rude, and I truly don't mean it that way. But some of you come across that way yourselves... prdycool Face Hugger USA 694 Posts quote:
Originally posted by Rita
Remember those of us who give a high quality dog or cat food such as EVO give it as a PART of their diet. And a very small part at that! The Evo dog food I give my gliders is a very tiny kibble and each glider gets about 4-5 pieces each night. Evo is the only dry food I will give my gliders because it is meat based and has no fillers. It is fed to them because I truly believe they need something hard and crunchy for good dental hygiene.
This is why I have been recommending the wholesome balance glider food Suncoast has developed. It is meat based without any corn fillers and formulated for gliders (finally!) instead of dogs. Not saying that the dog kibble is bad, meat based is always better than soy protein based like some of the pellets, but to have a meat based kibble formulated for gliders is a good thing! Here are the ingredients: Ingredients: Chicken Meal made from Human Grade Chickens, whole grain brown rice flour, whole grain barley flour, soybean oil*, dried whole egg, oat groats, fish meal, flax meal, calcium carbonate, blood meal, animal plasma, dried kelp, Vitamin E supplement, salt, potassium chloride, Vitamin A acetate, D-activated animal sterol (source of Vitamin D3), DL-alpha tocopheryl acetate (source of Vitamin E), menadione sodium bisulphate complex (source of Vitamin K), Vitamin B12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, niacin supplement, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, biotin, folic acid, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, zinc sulfate, maganous oxide, sodium selenite, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, dried tomato pomace, yeast culture, monosodium phosphate, sodium sulfate, ferric sulfate, manesium oxide, cobalt sulfate, cane sugar, di-methionine, pyridoxine hydrochloride, ferrous fumarate, sea salt, l-lysine, lecithin, potassium iodide, beta carotene, zinc methionine complex, hydrochloric acid, yucca schidigera extract, algae meal, diatomaceous earth, cobalt choline citrate complex, ferric choline citrate complex, calcium pantothenate, copper choline citrate complex, magnesium amino acid chelate, zinc amino acid chelate, calcium amino acid chelate, iron amino acid chelate, manganese amino acid chelate, copper amino acid chelate, cobalt amino acid chelate, thiamine mononitrate, ferrous carbonate, amylase, cellulose, maltase, phytase, protease, lipase, mixed tocopherols, citric acid, ascorbic acid, lecithin, rosemary extract. * We acknowledge some folks would rather avoid all soy products in animal foods; in the next batch we will test replacing the soybean oil with a different vegetable oil. Like I said, mine really enjoy this stuff. I never tried dog kibble because I don't have a dog and didn't want to buy a huge bag just for the gliders. Mine did like exotic nutrition pellets, but I recognize as most have pointed out that these are not the best. Basically my opinion is that they should get some crunchy foods for their teeth and pellets can range from crappy quality (sunvita/corn fillers)<better, but not great (exotic nutrition/soy fillers)<meat based (evo dog kibble)< meat based made for gliders. snusie Goofy Gorillatoes USA 2962 Posts The issue with pellets is that they're dry. In the wild, gliders will use those long front teeth to scrape bark off a tree limb and lap up the sap, which is very nitritious -- and also very wet. They eat insects, small birds, flowers, and fruit when they can get it. A glider will press the food against the roof of his mouth to extract all the liquid, and then spit out the dry remains. You've seen this in your own gliders. With a dry, pelleted food, your glider is not able to do this. He has to chew and swallow, which can lead to two health issues. First, it will scratch the inside of his mouth; the scratch can easily get infected and lead to abcess, tooth loss, even death. Second, gliders don't produce large amounts of saliva; they're adapted to eating wet, juicy food. You or I, cats and dogs, do have lots of saliva to wet down our food and make it more easily digestible. There have been cases of gliders dying with impacted dry food in the intestine, causing a blockage. This seems to me like a terrible, painful way to die. So, nutritional value notwithstanding, I believe there are two reasons to avoid pellets, both based on your glider's anatomy. They simply aren't adapted to eat that kind of food. ss476hawk Joey 36 Posts FWIW - When we got Swoop & Gidget they were on a "Whatever was in the fridge" Diet. Yougurt, fruit, chicken and Graham Cracker. We got them and moved them over to BML and havn't had any issues. When we got Spike and Tink they were on the PPP "Pellets & an apple slice" diet. I dumped the pellets and put them on the BML right away and they went crazy over it. They also have gained some weight so it's been more veggies less BML the past week or so. You cna do whatever you want. They are you kids. this is just what we did and it has worked wonders. firelady Joey USA 28 Posts When I first got my 2 gals I did what the former owner told me. The pellets with occassional fruit for treats. Then I read this board and started adding veggies and meal worms etc. As I did this I told the former owners what I was doing (they still have 3 gliders). Now they are doing the same. I told them I read that pellets are NOT supposed to be the ONLY diet and that my gals LOVE veggies and such. I feel that as I learn and share its benefiting not only my gals but the other 3 too. That is one reason I ALWAYS read even if I rarely post. jen102375 Starting Member 3 Posts quote:
Originally posted by kyro298
If you want a more straightforward opinion, IT CAN KILL THEM. I know because those eucalyptus pellets pretty much killed a rescue I had. He also seemed happy and healthy...until the day he died. I was told he was "3+ years old) when I got him and his diet was the eucalyptus pellets and an occasional vegetable. Period. His passing was so alarming and so sudden, I had a necropsy performed and the results were liver disease from previous years of bad diet. IRREVERSIBLE. All I did was prolong his life a few months.
I also never understand WHY people think their gliders need food during the day? I don't even see mine during the day. EVER. (This is not directed at you-I've just been seeing a lot lately)
This is true information about the pellets. And I never see my gliders during the day unless I take them out for bonding, So no reason to keep food in their cages during the day. Get them on a good diet now before it's to late. HPW diet is a good one This is what I use.There is the BML diet Pracilla price diet. Why feed pooh when there are so many healthy approved diets out there. And I have to say if you are new to gliders and have not done months of research on a daily basis you have no business giving any advice IMO.
jen102375 Starting Member 3 Posts quote:
Originally posted by suggie_mom
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Originally posted by jen102375
This is true information about the pellets. And I never see my gliders during the day unless I take them out for bonding, So no reason to keep food in their cages during the day. Get them on a good diet now before it's to late. HPW diet is a good one This is what I use.There is the BML diet Pracilla price diet. Why feed pooh when there are so many healthy approved diets out there. And I have to say if you are new to gliders and have not done months of research on a daily basis you have no business giving any advice IMO.
I may be fairly new to glider's, but I have still done my fair amount of research! As long as he advice is true and helpful, anyone can give it! I don't think anyone has the right to say otherwise.
Well if you have done your research you would have never ordered new pellets and if you can't take good advice and continue to feed garbage to your gliders then you have no business owning them. suggie_mom Super Glider USA 345 Posts I didn't really decide the pellet I used, as the person I bought my suggies from had them on this diet. (with a good supply of fresh foods as well.) I know I keep asking of any way I can keep pellet's in their diet, but this is mostly for two reasons: 1.) I don't want to see them lose weight/get depressed again if I take them away. (though I don't think this is as much of an issue as before. I've had many suggestions to this.) 2.) It took me two months to save up the money for the pellet's I just bought! But I love my suggie's, and wouldn't risk my suggies health to keep these in their diet! BUT: I have decided: THAT MY SUGGIES ARE DONE WITH PELLET'S. Now maybe people won't say that I don't deserve to own suggies. About the website's that promote pellet's: I'll look for the pages I read saying this and post them tommorow, I have homework to finish. Roxy and Stormys mamma Glider TX, USA 50 Posts I think that this pellet talk gets people on edge! I have never fed my babies pellets... But i did feed them hard food... But i no longer feed it to them and no longer ask questions about this because this is what happens. People get very on edge and start to come off rude just because the other person that is needing the advise is not doing what the person giving the advise does! There is tons of advise out there and MANY posts about this same thing. Some people really feel as if they need to feed their gliders pellets. I do not give advise because i am no where near knowing what i am doing or not doing right. Because i am fairly new and ask questions all the time. But it makes me feel good when people are nice to me about it even if its the 1,000 time the question has been asked. So Suggie_Mom is a teenage glider owner as is a lot of people! So what if they dont know everything like the few of you that have been on here forever? She still can give the advise [Proper advise that she has recieved from all of you] as all of you can! So just know this
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